Twilight Time Discussion Thread

[klauswhereareyou]

Count Yorga is an enjoyable "modern" vampire film. Pretty Poison and The Boston Strangler are truly great.

[SeanJoyce]

I went with Dragonwyck and The Snake Pit...have seen the latter, and de Havilland is (as always) fabulous. The former sounds like a nice, atmospheric Gothic romance. Both appear to be top-notch TT releases of Fox titles.

Love that TT is now applying the $2 off coupon to each item in an order as opposed to just one.

[skylark68]

I picked up THE HOUND OF THE BASKERVILLES and THE PIRATES OF BLOOD RIVER.

[kvnbhovis]

Can someone please explain to me why some physical media ie vinyl records is seeing a resurgence-Walmart is stocking lp's again- while blu-ray sales are falling off? It seems to me that the desire to own a physical copy of a movie should still exist. Streaming films is ok but it just isn't the same as having a copy in your hands. Commentaries and other special features aren't streamed either.

[koberulz]

Blu-ray has no nostalgia value.

[thatguamguy]

Originally Posted by kvnbhovis

Can someone please explain to me why some physical media ie vinyl records is seeing a resurgence-Walmart is stocking lp's again- while blu-ray sales are falling off? It seems to me that the desire to own a physical copy of a movie should still exist. Streaming films is ok but it just isn't the same as having a copy in your hands. Commentaries and other special features aren't streamed either.

I'm gonna throw out two major things:

1 - ownership (physical or otherwise) of music has always had more consumers than ownership of movies. I'm sure there are many reasons for this, but I think that for the average consumer, music has more replay value than movies, music is more of a solo activity than movies, and it's a lot more common to just want to listen to one random song than to just watch one random scene in a movie. It could also just be that ownership of music has been around for more than 100 years and ownership of movies (besides film prints, which is pretty high-end) has had somewhere around 40-50, so people are much more used to it. There's a whole generation of people alive right now who were well into their 20s and 30s before it was even possible to go to a store and buy a movie.

2 - movie studios are less interested in selling physical copies because they are each trying to make their own streaming service. The music companies were so damaged by Napster that they gladly gave away a lot of their profit in order for their music to stream so that they'd have any income at all. Movie companies have fought hard to avoid the same fate, so each studio wants to have its own streaming service to sell people. If they can succeed at this, they will make more money off of selling a streaming service than selling individual discs, so that's what they're putting their money behind. Most of these services will fail, and probably at that point the studios will want to sell physical copies, but it's quite possible that by then, blu-ray will be essentially dead anyway.

Those are both highly simplified, but this is long enough without being thorough and precise and detailed.

[kvnbhovis]

Originally Posted by koberulz

Blu-ray has no nostalgia value.

Movies have nostalgia value though. What if the internet collapsed then everyone who "bought' a film digitally could no longer access them? I am not interested in buying streaming content at all. If last resort, I will rent it. If I want to own a copy of a movie, I want it in my hands.

[kvnbhovis]

Originally Posted by thatguamguy

I'm gonna throw out two major things:

1 - ownership (physical or otherwise) of music has always had more consumers than ownership of movies. I'm sure there are many reasons for this, but I think that for the average consumer, music has more replay value than movies, music is more of a solo activity than movies, and it's a lot more common to just want to listen to one random song than to just watch one random scene in a movie. It could also just be that ownership of music has been around for more than 100 years and ownership of movies (besides film prints, which is pretty high-end) has had somewhere around 40-50, so people are much more used to it. There's a whole generation of people alive right now who were well into their 20s and 30s before it was even possible to go to a store and buy a movie.

2 - movie studios are less interested in selling physical copies because they are each trying to make their own streaming service. The music companies were so damaged by Napster that they gladly gave away a lot of their profit in order for their music to stream so that they'd have any income at all. Movie companies have fought hard to avoid the same fate, so each studio wants to have its own streaming service to sell people. If they can succeed at this, they will make more money off of selling a streaming service than selling individual discs, so that's what they're putting their money behind. Most of these services will fail, and probably at that point the studios will want to sell physical copies, but it's quite possible that by then, blu-ray will be essentially dead anyway.

Those are both highly simplified, but this is long enough without being thorough and precise and detailed.

Interesting thoughts. Thanks for sharing.

[4000dvds2many]

Originally Posted by kvnbhovis

What if the internet collapsed then everyone who "bought' a film digitally could no longer access them?

When the internet collapses we'll all probably have much more to worry about in the world than owning films. Haha.

[4000dvds2many]

Even knowing it was coming after Redman's death and the Disney acquisition doesn't make the news of TT's imminent demise any less devastating. For the longest time, I bought every title of theirs brand new at full price every month. In the last year, I have had to back off since my money has been going in so many directions, so I now have a backlist of about 35 titles I have to catch up on. Knowing that there may be no more is such a bummer. Though TT, to me, has been a problematic company in their pricing and their lack of many special features, there was no other label releasing the movies they licensed. I adore all of those great Fox titles, and there are so many more I wish were forthcoming. Now they're just gonna sit untouched and unloved in a studio vault. Screw Disney. I hope something miraculous comes along to save Twilight Time, but it isn't looking good. Hopefully they know that they have been much-appreciated.

[StarDestroyer52]

Originally Posted by kvnbhovis

Movies have nostalgia value though. What if the internet collapsed then everyone who "bought' a film digitally could no longer access them? I am not interested in buying streaming content at all. If last resort, I will rent it. If I want to own a copy of a movie, I want it in my hands.

I agree I always prefer a physical copy but if the internet were just to up and collapse worldwide we would have much more serious issues at hand to worry about than collecting films on disc.

[drak b]

Originally Posted by StarDestroyer52

I agree I always prefer a physical copy but if the internet were just to up and collapse worldwide we would have much more serious issues at hand to worry about than collecting films on disc.

Things to do in case of worldwide collapse:
1) Secure my person.
2) Check on my disc-based film collection.
3) Check on my loved ones.
4) Loot my neigh... er, I mean, "Check on my neighbors."

j/k! ... kinda...

[koberulz]

Originally Posted by kvnbhovis

Movies have nostalgia value though.

But there's Netflix and the like for that.

The resurgence of vinyl isn't about the music, it's about nostalgia for vinyl specifically.

[Bradsdadg]

Originally Posted by koberulz

But there's Netflix and the like for that.

[StarDestroyer52]

Originally Posted by drak b

Things to do in case of worldwide collapse:
1) Secure my person.
2) Check on my disc-based film collection.
3) Check on my loved ones.
4) Loot my neigh... er, I mean, "Check on my neighbors."

j/k! ... kinda...

Hold on, while I go on to buy my underground fallout shelter where I will wait out the apocalypse safe and secure in my BluRays and any pesky neighbors.

[BuraddoRun]

Well I recently placed another order, taking advantage of the Halloween sale (and wanting to support TT right now):

[rognvaldr]

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[CinemaScope]

Originally Posted by thatguamguy

I'm gonna throw out two major things:

1 - ownership (physical or otherwise) of music has always had more consumers than ownership of movies. I'm sure there are many reasons for this, but I think that for the average consumer, music has more replay value than movies, music is more of a solo activity than movies, and it's a lot more common to just want to listen to one random song than to just watch one random scene in a movie. It could also just be that ownership of music has been around for more than 100 years and ownership of movies (besides film prints, which is pretty high-end) has had somewhere around 40-50, so people are much more used to it. There's a whole generation of people alive right now who were well into their 20s and 30s before it was even possible to go to a store and buy a movie.

Very true. I can play tracks from a favourite music album every week (& do), but I don't really want to watch a favourite movie more than once a year (or every two or three years), for fear of spoiling it for myself. I buy Blu-rays because I'm a life-long film fan & still think it's amazing that I can actually own a movie, but no everyone's a movie nut, so the market will get more & more niche.

[jayembee]

Originally Posted by StarDestroyer52

I agree I always prefer a physical copy but if the internet were just to up and collapse worldwide we would have much more serious issues at hand to worry about than collecting films on disc.

I used to tell people back in the day that the advantage of DVDs over VHS was that in a case of nuclear war, the EMP would erase the tapes, but DVDs would still be playable. Most people wouldn't get the joke, though some were at least smart enough to point out that while the DVDs would still be playable, the EMP would fry the DVD players.

[rdodolak]

Originally Posted by jayembee

Most people wouldn't get the joke, though some were at least smart enough to point out that while the DVDs would still be playable, the EMP would fry the DVD players.

But only if they were powered at the time.