Lord of the Rings Trilogy (Theatrical Versions) - April 6, 2010

[Mrillmatic27]

Originally Posted by mmgirl

I like the first one okay, but the only one I love is the 2nd one, and I loathe the third. So why would I buy the other two, especially when they could have put out the EE's and probably made the first one look better? I'll pass, especially for $63.99. I have The Two Towers on DVD, and it'll have to do.

The 2nd is my fav too, but i love all three, y do u hate the 3rd??

[DaViD Boulet]

Originally Posted by adamhopelies

It has its own thread, its just that the naysayers are attempting to further derail this thread now that the general consensus has confirmed that this release is actually not the mess that they were claiming it was.

No, it's been discussed all along that the discs will probably look good from a narrow viewing angle, but reveal their flaws when viewed wide angle. What's being shared in this thread from first-hand accounts confirms that. No surprise there.

(based on a bunch of photographs)

And the comparisons were of *image captures* directly from the decoded video stream, not "photographs" which would imply holding up a camera to take a snap-shot of the TV screen.

The idea of attempting to convince a complete stranger that they are literally watching their television wrongly, simply because they actually enjoyed the experience of watching this release is staggering.

No, what we're trying to do is *explain* why some folk are seeing problems and others aren't. When one person sees problems, and another person doesn't, and the reason isn't whether or not the disc actually *has* problems, but rather the display system that each viewer is using, that's a very important thing to understand.

BDs are supposed to look good on mid-sized HDTVs viewed from 3 screen widths away *and also* look good on front projection systems viewed at a theatrical 1.5 screen-width. If a disc only looks good on smaller sets (narrower viewing angle), it's not doing its job (assuming that the mastering is to blame and not the original source material).

Lets face it kids, you were wrong about this one. Now please stop patronising those of us that weren't, as we've had to put up with this thinly veiled, nerdier than thou attitude for a fortnight now and its really quite annoying.

What's more annoying is having posters who get defensive when folks try to help share good information. We've been through this before with anamorphic DVD when 99% of HT guys had 4x3, and we went through it again with OAR versus pan and scan and then to some extent with standard-def versus high def (remember the DVD lovers calling us "snobs" for thinking that HD was somehow a superior viewing experience more worthy of our movies?

Now that cycle is about to repeat itself with narrow versus wide-angle viewing.

The director composes his movies for wide angle. Fact. you can, of course, watch the movie as big or small as you like. Fact. However, watching a film with a viewing angle significantly narrower than 30 degrees won't show you all the detail in the image and it won't replicate the effect that the director was intending. Fact. But you can still enjoy a flatscreen from accross the room and be happy if you want. Fact. But a disc that looks "good" in that environment may very well have real flaws that are obvious on systems that reproduce cinema-wide viewing angles. Fact.

In other words, folks saying this disc had problems weren't "wrong". They were just watching on a system that revealed the flaws. And it's still ok for you to watch on your system and be happy. Fact.

[kr00k]

Originally Posted by jlw1142003

Yeah I just came back from Wal-Mart & their price was $70. I will order it from Amazon before I purchase it at that price.

Can someone that has the Blu Ray post pics of the packaging? It looks like there are 2 single sized Blu Ray cases & I am curious how they fit 9 disc inside (I hope they didn't stack discs on top of each other).

One case has 3 Digi copies and the other has 6, the movies and the special features.

[lDlisturb3d]

Originally Posted by Mrillmatic27

I cant do it i want the EE's, im tired of double dipping, and maybe they'll do a better transfer on the EE's, even tho i havnt seen the ones that came out 2day, but with all these arguments going on, ill just wait

They arent going back to the Lab for the EE's come on. They are probably already ready for release, he's just trying to make as much money as he can of the TE. The PQ will be the same this much i can promise. Studios are about money bottom line. PROFIT PROFIT PROFIT.

Originally Posted by Stinky-Dinkins

When even IGN takes note of the flaws and lackluster presentation of Fellowship you know there's something going on.

I don't know what certain people here are trying to accomplish... do any of you actually think Fellowship isn't seriously lackluster?

If it gets a new DI and ends up looking [much] better, and hopefully it will, won't your endlessly posting of the same talking points about this release end up looking odd? What will you say then?

FOTR is one movie of three dude. The PQ and the other 2 are awesome.

[DaViD Boulet]

Originally Posted by mrpink134

Bill Hunt,DVD tower, various posters here, gave a good review! why not bring those up? Not to mention that YOU HAVE NOT SEEN THEM!

Bill saw the problems too, it's just that he assumed that they were the fault of the original source that could not be improved, whereas other reviewers are assuming that WB could have done a better job if they had wanted to spend the money.

When the HDTV MPEG2 encode shows more detail, there's a good chance that WB could indeed have improved things, even if only marginally, with the existing DI.

I do hope that the eventual EE release is a ground-up new transfer for the first film.

BTW, I have my copy in hand and will watch as soon as I get home tonight to see for myself on my 106" screen just how good/bad the first film looks.

[Stinky-Dinkins]

Originally Posted by deeman54

FOTR is one movie of three dude. The PQ and the other 2 are awesome.

What's your point? We're talking about Fellowship, and that's my favorite of the three by far. I won't be happy with the release of these movies if the first installment looks completely mediocre, and it does.

It obviously has serious issues as it stands.

If it gets a new DI and ends up looking much improved, what will everyone that's posting endlessly about it looking fantastic as-is and "unable to be improved" say then? These same people endlessly said the same things about Gladiator, since then Paramount has admitted it was a half-assed release and they're re-minting it.

[42041]

Originally Posted by Danielle Ni Dhighe

Yes, you do.

Why

[Mrillmatic27]

Originally Posted by deeman54

They arent going back to the Lab for the EE's come on. They are probably already ready for release, he's just trying to make as much money as he can of the TE. The PQ will be the same this much i can promise. Studios are about money bottom line. PROFIT PROFIT PROFIT.


FOTR is one movie of three dude. The PQ and the other 2 are awesome.

Then i might as well keep my money and buy the EE's

Lol stop with the peer pressure

[HeManster03]

Just fully finished FOTR, and as I said in my previous post it isn't as bad as expected. Beats Gladiator thats for sure. The only part that really irked me was the Council of Elrond. Everyone looked like they had a coat of wax on their faces and looked like talking barbie dolls(they were very glossy). Other than that, I don't have any glaring negatives to spew. I don't think it's quite a 4/5, but I also think 3.5/5 is a bit low. So I'll go with 3.75/5. Audio however is awesome. Easily worth the 5/5 given on this review.

Side note: for the reviewer that asked for a screenshot of the 1hour 50minute and 20sec mark, while I don't have the ability to give a worthy screenshot, I will say that they entire M.O.M sequence looks stunning, and the contrast between dark and color when Gollum is watching Frodo/Gandalf from the shadows is very very nicely represented. The color of his eyes really stood out to me against the darkness of the mines.

Tv is a 42pz80u Panny 1080 plasma from about 4 feet away, just to give an idea of how close I am.

[lDlisturb3d]

Originally Posted by DaViD Boulet

I do hope that the eventual EE release is a ground-up new transfer for the first film..

Once again the STUDIO is not going to waste money just for a small group of fans. My best buy was damn near sold out of the TE. The EE's are sitting on a shelve waiting to be released once the sales of the TE go down. Its basic economics.

[adamhopelies]

Originally Posted by Stinky-Dinkins

What's your point? We're talking about Fellowship, and that's my favorite of the three by far. I won't be happy with the release of these movies if the first installment looks completely mediocre.

It obviously has serious issues as it stands.

If it gets a new DI and ends up looking much improved, what will everyone that's posting endlessly about it looking fantastic as-is and "unable to be improved" say then? These same people endlessly said the same things about Gladiator, since then Paramount has admitted it was a half-assed release and they're re-minting it.

Sorry, but just to clarify, you haven't seen them either have you stinky?

[Todd Smith]

Originally Posted by DaViD Boulet

When the HDTV MPEG2 encode shows more detail, there's a good chance that WB could indeed have improved things, even if only marginally, with the existing DI.

Agreed.

[lDlisturb3d]

Originally Posted by Mrillmatic27

Then i might as well keep my money and buy the EE's

Lol stop with the peer pressure

Yeah i guess you are right. Wait for the EE's

[Stinky-Dinkins]

Originally Posted by adamhopelies

Sorry, but just to clarify, you haven't seen them either have you stinky?

Has the official reviewer of this site? Has Highdefdigest? Has IGN, have any of the others that have said the exact same things we're saying now?

Movies with stellar transfers simply do not get these types of criticisms from major review outlets, it just doesn't happen. Are you saying their complaints are imagined? I am not saying anything they haven't already said on record.

I haven't seen them, no. I'm renting them, they just haven't arrived at my doorstep yet. Now, why don't you answer the question you quoted rather than evading it?

[Q?]

Originally Posted by adamhopelies

Sorry, but just to clarify, you haven't seen them either have you stinky?

From what I could tell, you vaguely said that you'd rather want a brand new DI for FOTR.

[lDlisturb3d]

Originally Posted by adamhopelies

Sorry, but just to clarify, you haven't seen them either have you stinky?

Probably not. lol.

[Todd Smith]

Originally Posted by deeman54

Once again the STUDIO is not going to waste money just for a small group of fans. My best buy was damn near sold out of the TE. The EE's are sitting on a shelve waiting to be released once the sales of the TE go down. Its basic economics.

How do you know? A small group of fans? The EEs will sell VERY well just like these TEs will I would bet. We can speculate all day long...........I am going to speculate that they WILL release a new transfer, and the more commotion we cause, the better the chance of that happening.........atleast I am hoping. One thing is for sure though, if we all just sat with our hands over our mouth and settled for this type of effort and said nothing, we will definitely not get a better transfer. Cant hurt to try, and the only way I know of trying at the moment is making our voices known in these forums.

[adamhopelies]

Originally Posted by Q!

From what I could tell, you vaguely said that you'd rather want a brand new DI for FOTR.

You know full well that thats not what I meant. I said that I could say that about any number of films, which refers to the fact that I would like to see a new DI for every release I buy, which obviously isn't realistic. Look at you go, jumping on one little point that you can spin out of control, meanwhile avoiding reasonable things like actually watching the disc you've spent hours of your life bashing.

[SquidPuppet]

Originally Posted by deeman54

They arent going back to the Lab for the EE's come on. They are probably already ready for release, he's just trying to make as much money as he can of the TE. The PQ will be the same this much i can promise. Studios are about money bottom line. PROFIT PROFIT PROFIT.


FOTR is one movie of three dude. The PQ and the other 2 are awesome.

Complete and utter speculation on your part, yet you promise it as fact.

[Grand Bob]

There are a couple of guys where I work who waited for this release to buy BD players. This should be a nice shot in the arm for the industry.