Pioneer Elite BDP-LX500 - Page 46 - Blu-ray Forum

Auditor55 · 12-04-2020, 02:24 PM

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Originally Posted by ronboster

I read in this article, that sales for SA-CD are about 400k annually

https://www.hiresaudio.online/the-ri...-compact-disc/

It's 7 billion people on Earth.

BijouMan · 12-04-2020, 02:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Auditor55

SA-CD and DVD-A are dead formats, so you're going to have to decide what's a priority, SA-CD or HDR 10+. When you think about it, both HDR 10 plus and SACD are kind of dead.

I have heard a lot of great things about these formats from the audiophile community and want to be able to listen to these discs. No audio format has surpassed these and Blu-ray. Didn’t you read the last part of my story?

smithb · 12-04-2020, 02:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Auditor55

It's 7 billion people on Earth.

What does that have to do with anything? Lots of silly arguments going on today. There is obviously a business model to support it. While I only have a few here and there, my brother is an avid purchaser. Niche product is much more appropriate then "dead" format. Especially, since it is still the superior format.

Based on your argument, 4K/UHD could be considered a "dead" format if we are going to start judging by the standard of "7 billion people on Earth" as the consumer base.

smithb · 12-04-2020, 03:37 PM

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Originally Posted by BijouMan

I don't think one should have a 4K display without a player. Otherwise, why spend the money to get a high-end 4K display?

Ahh...maybe because they have no choice? Are you not aware of the lack of ability to purchase 2K TV's?

Are you now dictating what one can or should not have?

Hardware manufacturers have forced the 4K display on the consumer. Where is one going to get a new 2K display? And why would they, 4K TV's are relatively cheap even if using to up-convert. Whether one is happy with just DVD, or happy with just Blu-ray and sees no reason to upgrade to 4K media, what choice do they have? Or maybe they just want to stream 4K content, they don't need a player to do that.

BijouMan · 12-04-2020, 03:40 PM

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Originally Posted by smithb

Ahh...maybe because they have no choice? Are you not aware of the lack of ability to purchase 2K TV's?

Are you now dictating what one can or should not have?

Hardware manufacturers have forced the 4K display on the consumer. Where is one going to get a new 2K display? And why would they, 4K TV's are relatively cheap even if using to up-convert. Whether one is happy with just DVD, or happy with just Blu-ray and sees no reason to upgrade to 4K media, what choice do they have? Or maybe they just want to stream 4K content, they don't need a player to do that.

Streaming won't look much better on a high-end 4K display than a budget 4K display. The benefits of the high-end 4K display come when you play an Ultra HD Blu-ray disc.

smithb · 12-04-2020, 03:44 PM

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Originally Posted by BijouMan

I don't think one should have a 4K display without a player. Otherwise, why spend the money to get a high-end 4K display? Streaming won't look much better on a high-end display than a budget one. The benefits of the high-end display come when you play an Ultra HD Blu-ray disc.

Whether 4K display or high-end 4K display, your logic is flawed. There is no reason for a Costco to stock 4K players if they are not selling in quantity when they are selling 4K TV's of all price ranges successfully. I can go to BestBuy and buy a washing machine, it doesn't mean they need to stock detergent to.

smithb · 12-04-2020, 03:50 PM

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Originally Posted by BijouMan

Streaming won't look much better on a high-end 4K display than a budget 4K display. The benefits of the high-end 4K display come when you play an Ultra HD Blu-ray disc.

I never mentioned high or low end 4K display. All I stated was 4K display. You re-edited to add in high-end to your response.

ronboster · 12-04-2020, 10:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Auditor55

It's 7 billion people on Earth.

Let me be more direct....my point is it's ONLY 400k in sales....so those using anecdotal evidence of the format having support...well it's doesn't.

I hope that's direct enough....you seem to have a chip on your shoulder and looking for a fight from any and all in this thread.

smithb · 12-04-2020, 10:26 PM

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Originally Posted by ronboster

Let me be more direct....my point is it's ONLY 400k in sales....so those using anecdotal evidence of the format having support...well it's doesn't.

Just curious...what is your definition of having support? Is it a revenue number, units sold, or what?

To me it is simply, they are still being made and people are still buying them. In this case, the equipment to play them is still being marketed. They are readily available for purchase. It is still considered of high quality. How is that not being supported?

Perhaps, we don't all share the same definition of what support is.

ronboster · 12-04-2020, 10:44 PM

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Originally Posted by smithb

Just curious...what is your definition of having support? Is it a revenue number, units sold, or what?

To me it is simply, they are still being made and people are still buying them. In this case, the equipment to play them is still being marketed. They are readily available for purchase. It is still considered of high quality. How is that not being supported?

Perhaps, we don't all share the same definition of what support is.

That's hard to quantify, since it's dependant on the companies (producing the product) to define what is enough support/profitability.

You can look at Third Man Records as an example of company that feels their profits (whatever they are since it's a private company) is enough to justify producing X number of vinyl LPs.

Let me put it this way, I wholesale a petroleum product for a very small company (one of the major oil producers has a contract with us to market one of their petroleum products at one refinery). If my net profit for the year was 400k, I'd wouldn't have a job the next year. It's such a small amount of money, I'm frankly surprised it's considered viable product.

We've gone way off topic....let's get back to discussing the product that Pioneer won't be releasing in the near future.

smithb · 12-04-2020, 11:40 PM

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Originally Posted by BijouMan

Pioneer never said there will be no new players, unlike OPPO.

So then you know of a commitment by Pioneer to either reproduce the LX500 or a replacement model? If not, then thinking they won't is just as credible a position as thinking they will. Especially, given the availability of the player since release.

ronboster · 12-05-2020, 02:21 AM

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Originally Posted by BijouMan

Pioneer never said there will be no new players, unlike OPPO.

They never said there would be a new player either. If they have, please link the announcement release. Or a link to information that says they are working on a new player?

ronboster · 12-05-2020, 01:00 PM

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Originally Posted by BijouMan

I just didn’t want you to say there wouldn’t be one if they didn’t say so.

Who is "they"...a random Pioneer customer service rep that answered the phone?

If someone called me at work and asked if our company was going to be sold? I couldn't tell them if it was or was not...why? Because I am not in a position to know if ownership is selling or willing to sell the company.

Just as a customer service rep isn't in a position to know if any new products are in development, they are there to answer customers questions about existing products.

Now if "they" is someone in product development or their marketing dept, then "they" would have some insight....if so, please share who you are talking to?

Auditor55 · 12-05-2020, 09:29 PM

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Originally Posted by smithb

What does that have to do with anything? Lots of silly arguments going on today. There is obviously a business model to support it. While I only have a few here and there, my brother is an avid purchaser. Niche product is much more appropriate then "dead" format. Especially, since it is still the superior format.

Based on your argument, 4K/UHD could be considered a "dead" format if we are going to start judging by the standard of "7 billion people on Earth" as the consumer base.

SA-CD, if it's not dead because there may be a few hundred thousand discs then it's in a vegetative state, with barely a pulse, just waiting for a loved one to pull the plug and take it out of its misery.

No, the UHD disc is not dead, but it's on its way out as is the optical disc as a medium.

Auditor55 · 12-05-2020, 09:30 PM

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Originally Posted by ronboster

Let me be more direct....my point is it's ONLY 400k in sales....so those using anecdotal evidence of the format having support...well it's doesn't.

I hope that's direct enough....you seem to have a chip on your shoulder and looking for a fight from any and all in this thread.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=syV2LkGpQB0

Actually, you supported my point here.

Vilya · 12-06-2020, 04:12 AM

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Originally Posted by Auditor55

SA-CD, if it's not dead because there may be a few hundred thousand discs then it's in a vegetative state, with barely a pulse, just waiting for a loved one to pull the plug and take it out of its misery.

No, the UHD disc is not dead, but it's on its way out as is the optical disc as a medium.

Well, if physical media does die it will be one less thing left for you to crap all over. Do you ever have anything positive to say about anything...anything at all? You are the ultimate stick in the mud draped with a wet blanket.

Wendell R. Breland · 12-06-2020, 02:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Vilya

Do you ever have anything positive to say about anything...anything at all?

Some people appear miserable and love to irritate other people. Coming to a site called Blu-ray.COM to post negative comments about disc smells very strongly of a troll.

ronboster · 12-06-2020, 03:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Wendell R. Breland

Some people appear miserable and love to irritate other people. Coming to a site called Blu-ray.COM to post negative comments about disc smells very strongly of a troll.

Even when you agree with him, he still tries to be an antagonist.

Auditor55 · 12-06-2020, 05:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Vilya

Well, if physical media does die it will be one less thing left for you to crap all over. Do you ever have anything positive to say about anything...anything at all? You are the ultimate stick in the mud draped with a wet blanket.

Here you go again, taking things personally, which you shouldn't do. I'm here giving opinions, positive and negative, as all people do in this forum. When we have major consumer manufacturing companies of UHD/Blu Ray players like Samsung, Oppo, Pioneer, etc. pulling out of blu ray, that can't bode well for the format.

As far as Pioneer goes, most people posting in the thread have been negative about a future Pioneer Elite UHD player, why don't complain about those post.

Auditor55 · 12-06-2020, 05:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Wendell R. Breland

Some people appear miserable and love to irritate other people. Coming to a site called Blu-ray.COM to post negative comments about disc smells very strongly of a troll.

This is the Blu Ray forum and Blu Rays are optical discs. Would you feel better if said all things positive things about Blu Rays even in reality the situation isn't all positive?

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