Star Wars: The Complete Saga (1977-2005)

[HD Goofnut]

Originally Posted by stvn1974

Disney: George, great news, we restored the theatrical cuts of the Original Trilogy for release and they look great.

Lucas: No, NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

Star Wars NO! - YouTube

[klauswhereareyou]

You mean when Boba Fett talks I won't have to think about making it an Outback night?

[HD Goofnut]

While we are on the subject here are the main reasons I want the original theatrical cuts on BD:

Star Wars: Episode IV - Obi-Wan Comparison (Theatrical / Blu-ray) - YouTube

Boba Fett (Old-School) - YouTube

star wars 1983 v.s Blu-Ray (sarlacc battle) - YouTube

Darth Vader's 'Nooo!' in Star Wars: Episode VI - Return of the Jedi (ACTUAL Blu-Ray Clip) - YouTube

[sarah_wentworth]

Originally Posted by Elvis

Sigh.....

"I'm just sittin here watching the wheels go round and round, you know I really love to watch them roll" ~ John Lennon

Just release the damn things that we saw in the theater in 77, 80 and 83 and be done with it! I dont' care if they are seperate or in a package with all of them just get them out there and stop all this NAZI dictating BS on what ones you prefer to be released George. Then everyone can watch whatever versions they want.....not rocket science. Then we can stop all this but George wanted blah blah blah BS.....and everyone can then go on thier merry way and maybe the thread will finally die and it can be buried.

i'm sure he'll release the 77, 80 and 83. maybe before the new movie. or he'll release a set of the new ones when they are done. then a set with all nine. then maybe a set with all nine plus 77, 80 and 83. then just the 77, 80 and 83.

the 77, 80 and 83 could be released soon or in 20 years. whatever will make more money.

either way, kids today don't care about jedi and sith, just generic marvel movie crap. your average Ironman movie will make more than Star Wars. older fans will never like a new Star Wars movie, even if its good.

Star Wars is just another generic big budget action movie these days. after the next 3 the franchise is dead and in 20 years no one will even remember or care about the Star Wars movies

[MrClarke]

Originally Posted by sarah_wentworth

i'm sure he'll release the 77, 80 and 83. maybe before the new movie. or he'll release a set of the new ones when they are done. then a set with all nine. then maybe a set with all nine plus 77, 80 and 83. then just the 77, 80 and 83.

the 77, 80 and 83 could be released soon or in 20 years. whatever will make more money.

either way, kids today don't care about jedi and sith, just generic marvel movie crap. your average Ironman movie will make more than Star Wars. older fans will never like a new Star Wars movie, even if its good.

Star Wars is just another generic big budget action movie these days. after the next 3 the franchise is dead and in 20 years no one will even remember or care about the Star Wars movies

My younger brothers are 18 now. When the prequel trilogy came out, they wanted to watch the original movies. And they liked them. I honestly don't think 'Star Wars' is going anywhere. If anything, the new movies will renew interest in the older ones.

And just a sidenote: I think they like the Marvel movies because as a whole, they're good movies... My opinion of course.

[Takeshi666]

Originally Posted by sarah_wentworth

older fans will never like a new Star Wars movie, even if its good.

I was going to point out how foolish this assumption is, until I realized who wrote it, so I'm not gonna bother.

Originally Posted by klauswhereareyou

Oh and for nostalgia maybe add the standard def pan and scan transfers that were put out on video in the 80's.

Better yet, include them on actual videotape. With the old style clamshell case!

[SethRex]

You know...thinking about it, I think even having just the first no would have been alright. Just him deciding to do what he does, saying no just once, and then grabbing the Emperor would have been perfectly fine. There was no need to put the second NOOOOOO in there.

[Geoff D]

Yeah, I don't mind the low growl of the first Noooooo, but Vader sounds like he's going full retard with that second one, it's just too goofy. Add to that the rest of the utterly pointless 2011 additions to the film and that weird bit about halfway through on the BD where the horizontal resolution drops noticeably for a few minutes and I'd rather watch the DVD. Yes, really.

[Nailwraps]

[Show spoiler]

Originally Posted by kainekinetic

they should release all versions of each movie together, but separately!

A new hope
- theatrical
- red cyan 3d
- special edition
- dvd edition
- bd edition
- 3d
- 2 bonus features disks

the empire strikes back
- theatrical
- special edition
- dvd edition
- bd edition
- 3d
- 2 bonus features disks

return of the jedi
- theatrical
- special edition
- dvd edition
- bd edition
- 3d
- 2 bonus features disks

the phantom menace
- theatrical
- dvd edition
- bd edition
- 3d
- 2 bonus features disks

attack of the clones
- theatrical film edition
- theatrical digital edition
- imax edition
- dvd edition
- bd edition
- 3d
- 2 bonus features disks

revenge of the sith
- theatrical
- bd edition
- 3d
- 2 bonus features disks

I would definitely but those in a heart beat!

[Falaskan]

I kinda wish we could have a customizable version. I like the UOT, but I don't mind updates like the sarlac pit, lightsaber fixes, or tie fighter shots.

[HeavyHitter]

Originally Posted by Geoff D

Yeah, I don't mind the low growl of the first Noooooo, but Vader sounds like he's going full retard with that second one, it's just too goofy. Add to that the rest of the utterly pointless 2011 additions to the film and that weird bit about halfway through on the BD where the horizontal resolution drops noticeably for a few minutes and I'd rather watch the DVD. Yes, really.

I totally understand. As I have said before, there is NOT a huge difference between the Blus and DVDs anyway. They very much have the same 'look' given they are from the same old 11-year-old scan (what a joke!). A tiny bit better color timing, compression, and resolution on the Blus. That's about it! They are far more similar than different.

[stvn1974]

Originally Posted by Geoff D

Yeah, I don't mind the low growl of the first Noooooo, but Vader sounds like he's going full retard with that second one, it's just too goofy. Add to that the rest of the utterly pointless 2011 additions to the film and that weird bit about halfway through on the BD where the horizontal resolution drops noticeably for a few minutes and I'd rather watch the DVD. Yes, really.

I watched the non-anamorphic DVDs of Star Wars and Empire today and am about to start Jedi. Having to choose between Han shooting Greedo in a little square box vs Han ducking out of the way filling my screen is still the easiest decision when it comes to picking a versions.

[motorheadache95]

Originally Posted by Geoff D

Yeah, I don't mind the low growl of the first Noooooo, but Vader sounds like he's going full retard with that second one, it's just too goofy. Add to that the rest of the utterly pointless 2011 additions to the film and that weird bit about halfway through on the BD where the horizontal resolution drops noticeably for a few minutes and I'd rather watch the DVD. Yes, really.

That was the deal-breaker for me when the set came out. The other stuff I could put up with-- I had a kind of viewpoint where the UOT stood alone, and the modified versions were sequels to the prequel trilogy.

But I hate that Darth Vader "NOOOO" thing so much. The original version was so great-- there's no dialog and he's wearing a mask, and you can still see that the gears are twisting in his head over what he's seeing. And the moment where he grabs Palpatine is so emotional and epic. Adding the dialog completely ruins the moment. IMO, it ruined the entire finale of the entire saga.

So I didn't buy it. I bought the prequel trilogy standalone set instead, because aside from the lackluster transfer for Episode I, is a good set for the prequel films. One a side note, I almost can't believe this, but I would rebuy Episode I AGAIN if they did a good film-like remaster of the original '99 cut of the movie.

[Geoff D]

Originally Posted by HeavyHitter

I totally understand. As I have said before, there is NOT a huge difference between the Blus and DVDs anyway. They very much have the same 'look' given they are from the same old 11-year-old scan (what a joke!). A tiny bit better color timing, compression, and resolution on the Blus. That's about it! They are far more similar than different.

I've noticed that the gamma's a bit lower on the Blu-rays. They come out of black quicker so there's more detail in the shadows compared to the DVDs, but you need higher gamma in the space shots to crush down the garbage mattes which is why I also prefer the DVD of Jedi. The garbage mattes don't magically disappear but they do look slightly less obvious. I have to put up with the iffy crossed 'sabers shot in front of the Emperor, granted, but I'll take that over a goofy "NoooOOOOooOOOoooo!" any day.

[DCW]

I also use the DVDs of the unaltered trilogy. I prefer the colors of the dvd over the blu ray. And I know the horse has been beaten beyond death, but the "Noooo" was the final straw for me too.

[Blu-21]

For the non-anamorphic DVDs ported from the Definitive edition LDs, they should have used the pre-THX clean up masters without the DVNR/smearing instead. The Japanese 1986 Special Collection edition Laserdiscs have them, and they look better in terms of colour depth and texture IMO, despite the print imperfections.

Here is a comparsen. TOP is Special Collection edition. BOTTOM is Definitive edition (which was used for the non-anamorphic DVDs as we know them).

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tqVk9LB-LZo["]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tqVk9LB-LZo"]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tqVk9LB-LZo[

However it's best to download the actual comparsen clip since the YouTube version doesn't show off the comparsen as strongly due to compression.

Scroll down and download the clip above in better quality from here - http://thestarwarstrilogy.com/starwa...ive-Collection

[ZoetMB]

Originally Posted by HD Goofnut

While we are on the subject here are the main reasons I want the original theatrical cuts on BD:

[Show spoiler]
Star Wars: Episode IV - Obi-Wan Comparison (Theatrical / Blu-ray) - YouTube
Boba Fett (Old-School) - YouTube
star wars 1983 v.s Blu-Ray (sarlacc battle) - YouTube
Darth Vader's 'Nooo!' in Star Wars: Episode VI - Return of the Jedi (ACTUAL Blu-Ray Clip) - YouTube

Why? The changes are absolutely trivial in every respect. Yes, the new scream was totally unnecessary, but it really doesn't make that much difference. And in the Sarlacc Battle, the 2011 looks far, far superior to the 1983- it's sharper, better lit and the color is far more accurate. If you really think the 1983 looks better, either you have a huge problem with your monitor or you're totally in denial.

While I agree George made a lot of bad decisions and I'll criticize the failings of his films as much as anyone, I can also see why he became so frustrated with the fans - this is a perfect example of complaining where there is virtually nothing to be complaining about.

I don't necessarily believe they are going to release the OT, but if they do, I guarantee you that there will still be tons of complaints, just as the poster above who said that he wanted the special editions because that's what he saw growing up. Even though the OTs haven't been seen theatrically for well over 30 years, there will be people who will claim that some shots are different, or the color is different, or the optical are sloppy or whatever. And everyone will be both correct and incorrect because even the original 70mm version varied slightly from the 35mm version and so different people saw different things when they saw the OT (but how anyone can really remember what they saw is beyond me - unless they were someone who went to see the film 100 times in the original release).

[motorheadache95]

Originally Posted by ZoetMB

Why? The changes are absolutely trivial in every respect. Yes, the new scream was totally unnecessary, but it really doesn't make that much difference. And in the Sarlacc Battle, the 2011 looks far, far superior to the 1983- it's sharper, better lit and the color is far more accurate. If you really think the 1983 looks better, either you have a huge problem with your monitor or you're totally in denial.

While I agree George made a lot of bad decisions and I'll criticize the failings of his films as much as anyone, I can also see why he became so frustrated with the fans - this is a perfect example of complaining where there is virtually nothing to be complaining about.

I don't necessarily believe they are going to release the OT, but if they do, I guarantee you that there will still be tons of complaints, just as the poster above who said that he wanted the special editions because that's what he saw growing up. Even though the OTs haven't been seen theatrically for well over 30 years, there will be people who will claim that some shots are different, or the color is different, or the optical are sloppy or whatever. And everyone will be both correct and incorrect because even the original 70mm version varied slightly from the 35mm version and so different people saw different things when they saw the OT (but how anyone can really remember what they saw is beyond me - unless they were someone who went to see the film 100 times in the original release).

About 99% of the complaints will cease. I'm sure slight alterations like specific optical shots or dialogue over the different audio-mixes or whatever will be discussed somewhat, but that's not even close to the same issue as only getting movies with all of the various effects/character/scene/dialogue/actor changes that have been altered for every format release of the movies since 1997.

Very few Star Wars fans (even the really hardcore ones) are THAT anal about it. Basically, if Disney were to release the same versions that appeared as non-anamorphic bonus extras on the last DVD release (but in restored quality of course), that's what most people are looking for.

[BillieCassin]

Originally Posted by sarah_wentworth

thanks


i just prefer the movies as the director originally intended if he had the money and technology back then. its his movie.

The funny thing is, which one of his "original intentions" should they go by?

Many of the changes are revisionist and altering things that actually go against what his intention was at the time. Reading Rinzler's books on the making of the three films are fascinating because they go draft by draft of each film, and his intentions varied so wildly. These are official Lucasfilm books, based on the Lucasfilm archives, and the whole "grand story vision" that was maintained for years as fact is completely blown out of the water. Vader and Anakin were two different characters, well into the development of ESB, for example.

That's one reason folks have a problem with all the changes, because Lucas kept changing his mind. For example, there was no technical nor money reason why Han shot first - it was a story choice. Years later, he re-thought that choice and changed it (multiple times now).

Very little of the SE's are simple technical enhancements. One of the few examples is things like the windows on Cloud City. You'll find quite a few of us are pretty soft on those, I personally think they work and I like them (it never made sense that they'd have this beautiful city in the clouds and then all the inside space had a generic white corporate headquarters look). If that's all the SE's had been, there would have never been the kind of controversy that has been going on for nearly 20 years over them.

It's the revisionism that is the problem folks have. Lucas was painstaking with these films, nothing appeared without his original approval, it's just that he continually changed his mind over the years, to such an extent that if you really look at various interviews from different periods over the last 30 years, he contradicts himself quite consistently to the extent of even changing what the films were "about".

[al cos.]

Originally Posted by ZoetMB

Why? The changes are absolutely trivial in every respect. Yes, the new scream was totally unnecessary, but it really doesn't make that much difference. And in the Sarlacc Battle, the 2011 looks far, far superior to the 1983- it's sharper, better lit and the color is far more accurate. If you really think the 1983 looks better, either you have a huge problem with ).

Huh? Better lit? How did adding an animated mouth make it better lit?