Star Wars: The Complete Saga (1977-2005)

[Batmon77]

Originally Posted by sarah_wentworth

Palpatine may have orchestrated a couple wars but its happened here on earth and nothing really happens to the leaders. he became leader because he wanted a strong government that could keep the galaxy safe. he even said something like that.

Yeah, cause destroying Alderaan to find a Rebel Base is keeping things safe.

[Rambaldi47]

Originally Posted by Bluyoda

Also, when I asked my wife whom she thought Leia was referring to when he asked her about her memories regarding her real mother.

She immediately said Padme. I said, but Padme died right after giving birth to her. She said that daughters have a stronger connection to their mothers, just like Luke had a stronger connection to his father. She said she was force sensitive, and felt her.

My answer always was, that Bail Organa's wife and adoptive mother had died when Leia was young, and she never knew that she wasn't her real mother, and after that she had another Bail remarried. I guess, my wife's explanation makes more sense, and it came completely naturally from her.
Maybe, what we have been missed all this time, was some female insight. Lol

When the prequels were being made, I always assumed that Padme fled to Alderaan with Bail Organa. She only took Leia because she and Luke would be too powerful together, and Vader & Palpatine would sense them. Obi-Wan took Luke to Owen & Beru because Vader likely would never return to Tatooine since it had such horrible memories for him. Padme died when Leia was young, and Bail got remarried. But on another note, it does seem like Leia wasn't supposed to be Luke's sister, and it was thrown in at the last second i.e. the kiss on Hoth and the "Somehow I've always known" line. It just felt forced.

[BillieCassin]

Originally Posted by Rambaldi47

When the prequels were being made, I always assumed that Padme fled to Alderaan with Bail Organa.

Which is precisely what was supposed to happen, at least in so far as she survived a few more years, but Lucas was running out of time in Ep III so he just killed her off at childbirth. He spent so much time wandering around in Ep I and II by the time he got to III it was "oh crap" because there was so much plot that needed to happen before the end.

[chip75]

Originally Posted by sarah_wentworth

yeah plus Palpatine was legally given power. anywhere else where an organized group tries to overthrow a legally elected government by means of violence, that group is considered to be terrorists. i'm really not sure why the rebels even rebelled.

He coerced his way to Supreme Chancellor (first by getting a no-confidence vote for Terence Stamp's chancellor) then when the Jedi tried to remove him from office, he said there had been an attempted coup d'état. He then elected himself Emperor! This was after he'd had all the Separatist leaders assassinated. All lesser species were subjugated where droids and non-humans were repressed and discriminated against!

I wonder what the rebels were on about, he seems a stand-up fellow!

[The Fallen Deity]

Oh for god sakes not this Palpatine debate again!

The dude's evil, end of story.

He's the leader of The Empire for crying out loud!

It's simple:

The Rebellion = The good guys

The Empire = The bad guys

[ZoetMB]

Originally Posted by chip75

I found this interesting:

From The Making of the Return of the Jedi. There's also a bit about any one can use the Force, it's just that the Jedi are masters and Yoda isn't a Jedi, he doesn't have skills he's just a teacher (which is odd as this is after The Empire Strikes Back were Yoda demonstrates his Jedi powers!).

I don't buy that one. What I do buy is that virtually every decision Yoda (and Obi-Wan) ever made was a bad one. I would have liked the upcoming VII to have Luke reflect back and realize that.

Originally Posted by Rambaldi47

When the prequels were being made, I always assumed that Padme fled to Alderaan with Bail Organa. She only took Leia because she and Luke would be too powerful together, and Vader & Palpatine would sense them. Obi-Wan took Luke to Owen & Beru because Vader likely would never return to Tatooine since it had such horrible memories for him. Padme died when Leia was young, and Bail got remarried. But on another note, it does seem like Leia wasn't supposed to be Luke's sister, and it was thrown in at the last second i.e. the kiss on Hoth and the "Somehow I've always known" line. It just felt forced.

That's all probably what should have happened - I've written before that Padme should have survived long enough so Leia could remember her so that there was consistency with the dialog in VI. I don't buy the notion that because Leia is force sensitive that she could remember her biological mother from the day she was born. I'm sure the "sister" thing was decided relatively late, just as Lucas originally planned that Vader was not Anakin. When we got the "but there's another" line in V, I originally thought they were going to kill off Luke and introduce a new character.

Originally Posted by stvn1974

A Star Wars The Final Cut like the Blade Runner would be great.

While the Blade Runner Blu-ray was a critical success, I don't believe it was a commercial success, which is why it's so inexpensive (although I don't have sales numbers). Only geeks want to see umpteen versions of a film. The masses couldn't care less and Disney doesn't care about the geeks. And my bet is that most of the people who bought that Blade Runner set (I did) only really ever watch one version of the film.

Originally Posted by Wickerman1972

Made me curious so I checked and sure enough the lowest it's been at US Amazon is $60. For that to be the lowest they've EVER had it available is surprising to me.

Yes, because $10 per movie + plus tons of extras in nice packaging is WAY too much money. You obviously didn't live in the LaserDisc or early VHS era and were never a collector of 8mm or 16mm films, when a used print of a crappy old "B" movie would cost at least $250. A decent half a pizza costs $10, but that's too much for some of the biggest movies of all time.

Originally Posted by octagon

And over the past thirty years had she ever shouted anything to the effect of 'heeeeeeeeeey, why's Vader throwing his boss over that railing? Has he had a change of heart or something???? Is he no longer on board with the Imperial Program????????????????'
Yeah, maybe.
And maybe, just maybe, The Creator made poor choices from time to time.

Maybe, maybe not. In Episode III, after Anakin finds out Padme is dead, why does he continue with the Emperor? His whole "trip" to the darkside was to protect her. The only possible rationale is that he feels that he's now got nowhere else to go. He can't return to the Jedi and he knows he's a wanted man, plus he needs the Emperor to get him to a physical state where he can live. Otherwise, when he finds out Padme is gone, he really should have attempted to kill Palpatine. But maybe what happens between III and IV, in spite of his allegiance to the Emperor is that he's really pissed off the entire time - he actually really hates his boss (which he takes out on everyone else). By the end of VI, he's had enough and throws the bastard over the railing. There are many logical flaws in the series (including why Palpatine wants to rule the galaxy in the first place), but I can buy that. The problem is that since we never see Vader's face (except when revealed by Luke), we can never read his true emotional state and whether he thinks Palpatine/Emperor is full of crap or not. But I do think the "Humpty Dumpty" we got to see at the end of VI was a big mistake and was never believable. The Vader we should have seen should have been intense and angry that he screwed up his life - not the "Wizard of Oz". I like the Vader that we get to see in that "Batman vs. Vader" video that's been posted. That Vader seems very real to me and definitely seems like he could have been the older Anakin.

[Gold Ranger]

Originally Posted by sarah_wentworth

well then i hope some day they get released.

i was only sharing my feelings on the subject. i didn't know there was a right or wrong

of course i'm a she. i only used my name because i was new to this site and a little drunk when i signed up. i thought it asked for a first and last name so i filled it in. if there is a way to change my name to a fake screen name i would do it.

well i've seen enough people bash the prequels. kind of sucks for those that like them. i think ROTS is my favorite and AOTC my second

yeah plus Palpatine was legally given power. anywhere else where an organized group tries to overthrow a legally elected government by means of violence, that group is considered to be terrorists. i'm really not sure why the rebels even rebelled.

if its just because Palpatine is a Sith, well then that's just prejudice

Palpatine may have orchestrated a couple wars but its happened here on earth and nothing really happens to the leaders. he became leader because he wanted a strong government that could keep the galaxy safe. he even said something like that.

1 - You aren't wrong
2 - Ask in the site help section at the bottom of the main forum page
3 - The Phantom Menace is my favourite of the six films
4 - That's how I've felt since 2005. The Rebels are @$$hats. There was no real reason for them to rebel. No one was really being oppressed, except the Jedi.
5 - According to the now-not-canon books, he also did it because he knew the Yuuzhan Vong were coming and that, the galaxy/universe wouldn't survive unless someone strong controlled everything, and with a centralized Governemnt and Military!

[Gold Ranger]

Originally Posted by Batmon77

Yeah, cause destroying Alderaan to find a Rebel Base is keeping things safe.

That was Tarkin.
He was acting on his own!

[Gold Ranger]

Originally Posted by Rambaldi47

When the prequels were being made, I always assumed that Padme fled to Alderaan with Bail Organa. She only took Leia because she and Luke would be too powerful together, and Vader & Palpatine would sense them. Obi-Wan took Luke to Owen & Beru because Vader likely would never return to Tatooine since it had such horrible memories for him. Padme died when Leia was young, and Bail got remarried. But on another note, it does seem like Leia wasn't supposed to be Luke's sister, and it was thrown in at the last second i.e. the kiss on Hoth and the "Somehow I've always known" line. It just felt forced.

Don't forget the kiss on the Death Star: "for luck!"

And yes, Leia as Sister was a Last minute change at the end of filming Empire! The "That boy was our last Hope." "No, there is another." was done in pick-ups/reshoots.

[Gold Ranger]

Originally Posted by chip75

He coerced his way to Supreme Chancellor (first by getting a no-confidence vote for Terence Stamp's chancellor) then when the Jedi tried to remove him from office, he said there had been an attempted coup d'état. He then elected himself Emperor! This was after he'd had all the Separatist leaders assassinated. All lesser species were subjugated where droids and non-humans were repressed and discriminated against!

I wonder what the rebels were on about, he seems a stand-up fellow!

Only in the books, we never saw this in the films.

[MifuneFan]

Originally Posted by KaineKinetic

1 - You aren't wrong
2 - Ask in the site help section at the bottom of the main forum page
3 - The Phantom Menace is my favourite of the six films
4 - That's how I've felt since 2005. The Rebels are @$$hats. There was no real reason for them to rebel. No one was really being oppressed, except the Jedi.
5 - According to the now-not-canon books, he also did it because he knew the Yuuzhan Vong were coming and that, the galaxy/universe wouldn't survive unless someone strong controlled everything, and with a centralized Governemnt and Military!

Originally Posted by KaineKinetic

That was Tarkin.
He was acting on his own!

Originally Posted by KaineKinetic

Don't forget the kiss on the Death Star: "for luck!"

And yes, Leia as Sister was a Last minute change at the end of filming Empire! The "That boy was our last Hope." "No, there is another." was done in pick-ups/reshoots.

Originally Posted by KaineKinetic

Only in the books, we never saw this in the films.

This site has both a multi-quote and edit button feature, please use them

[Gold Ranger]

Originally Posted by MifuneFan

This site has both a multi-quote and edit button feature, please use them

If I read through the thread all at once, I would have.
I read one post at a time and respond to that post, then continue on.

[chip75]

Originally Posted by KaineKinetic

Only in the books, we never saw this in the films.

We glimpses of it. All the non-humanoid species are gone by Episode IV and the droids aren't allowed in the cantina. I think the non-humanoids were pushed out to the Outer Rim if Tatooine is anything to go by.

[Gold Ranger]

Originally Posted by chip75

We glimpses of it. All the non-humanoid species are gone by Episode IV and the droids aren't allowed in the cantina. I think the non-humanoids were pushed out to the Outer Rim if Tatooine is anything to go by.

1 - The Bartender was NOT an Imperial.
2 - While yes, there are no Non-Humans in the Empire at the time of Ep 4, We don't see it at all like this in ep 3.
In fact, Early Empire/Emperor doesn't even hint at Non-Human hatred.
So, there really was no reason for a Rebellion to even have started up.

[Funcha]

Originally Posted by KaineKinetic

1 - The Bartender was NOT an Imperial.
2 - While yes, there are no Non-Humans in the Empire at the time of Ep 4, We don't see it at all like this in ep 3.
In fact, Early Empire/Emperor doesn't even hint at Non-Human hatred.
So, there really was no reason for a Rebellion to even have started up.

So just randomly murdering people and generally acting like space Nazis wasn't enough reason for anyone to rebel? Like I'm sure Aunt Beru and Uncle Owen just had it coming... Ha!

[chip75]

Originally Posted by KaineKinetic

In fact, Early Empire/Emperor doesn't even hint at Non-Human hatred.
So, there really was no reason for a Rebellion to even have started up.

It started when Yoda failed to defeat the Emperor, so the reasons were born there, even if they got diluted through the years. Their initial inception was just, an evil being was now in control of the galaxy and it's citizens would be oblivious to his subterfuge. The Senate was run for the people by the people. The Empire was controlled by one man and it's Imperial Senate were nothing but token gestures of a legitimate government.

[Gold Ranger]

Originally Posted by Funcha

So just randomly murdering people and generally acting like space Nazis wasn't enough reason for anyone to rebel? Like I'm sure Aunt Beru and Uncle Owen just had it coming... Ha!

Again, that's Episode 4.
We're talking about the beginning of the Rebellion. During Episode 3.

[Funcha]

Originally Posted by KaineKinetic

Again, that's Episode 4.
We're talking about the beginning of the Rebellion. During Episode 3.

My assumption is that Bail Organa and the others rebelled because they knew that Palpatine obviously wasn't the benevolent ruler he made himself out to be. Not sure if anyone realized he was working both sides of the war for his own rise to power, but they knew the Jedi didn't deserve to get wiped out. I guess the best analogy is someone coming in and killing all the police around the country "because they're bad, bad," but "my new troops taking their place will be A-ok, just trust me." Probably wouldn't go over so well with a lot of the populace.

[HD Goofnut]

Originally Posted by Funcha

My assumption is that Bail Organa and the others rebelled because they knew that Palpatine obviously wasn't the benevolent ruler he made himself out to be. Not sure if anyone realized he was working both sides of the war for his own rise to power, but they knew the Jedi didn't deserve to get wiped out. I guess the best analogy is someone coming in and killing all the police around the country "because they're bad, bad," but "my new troops taking their place will be A-ok, just trust me." Probably wouldn't go over so well with a lot of the populace.

Especially in the plains and southeast.

[Gold Ranger]

Originally Posted by Funcha

My assumption is that Bail Organa and the others rebelled because they knew that Palpatine obviously wasn't the benevolent ruler he made himself out to be. Not sure if anyone realized he was working both sides of the war for his own rise to power, but they knew the Jedi didn't deserve to get wiped out. I guess the best analogy is someone coming in and killing all the police around the country "because they're bad, bad," but "my new troops taking their place will be A-ok, just trust me." Probably wouldn't go over so well with a lot of the populace.

They started to rebel before he became Emperor though.