Star Wars: The Complete Saga (1977-2005)

[Merlinpants]

Originally Posted by popeflick

Youre being specious, intentionally obtuse or both: they knew exactly what they were buying. They ran numbers and agreed on a price they thought was commensurate with the purchase. It was also 4 billion. They've done quite well this far and in the long run will mad quite the profit. Believe me I doubt they are regretting it at all. They're printing money. You act like they were unaware of these issues until after the fact. That's ridiculous.

Not at all. I was responding to his comment, he then responded by saying mine was not worth his consideration as it made no sense. I just wanted to show him the error of his ways where have I ever said Disney was unaware of what they were buying? That's a bit ridiculous with the level of diligence they would have gone through prior to purchase. Are you putting words in where none exist?

They don't have total control of marvel property, but are more than happy with the purchase. He stated Disney would never pay billions for property they did not have TOTAL control of. Do you think they have total control of the marvel property.?I am not being obtuse, just pointing out the errors in his statement.

Why do people on this particular forum not read things before commenting?

[dvdmike]

Originally Posted by Ernest Rister

Australia fans just got their downloads...the films are the same as the recent blu-ray release. So, yeah. Devin and his "sources" wrong again.

SHOCK! Makes the last 100 pages so worthwhile

[Stinky-Dinkins]

Originally Posted by Merlinpants

So you now think that fox owns xmen and fantastic four and Sony/Columbia owns spiderman. Marvel has never sold any of its characters to anyone, movie rights yes. That really sums up this conversation with you.

Try to understand, they bought something they don't have total control over. They have been trying to buy the assets back, and by that I mean the movie right, but they can't. In answer to your original statement, Disney really has paid billions for a property they don't have total control over., they cannot do certain things with certain characters that they own, aka not having total control. It isn't hard to understand.

With regards Star Wars, unless you were sat at the meeting or are the lawyer that handled the contracts, you know as much as anyone else. Squat.

Stop taking the lords name in vain too, bad things will happen.

They bought 100% of EVERYTHING Marvel owned at the time of purchase. Marvel could not sell Disney something it did not own at the time. It bought ALL Marvel assets, everything Marvel had the rights to Disney in turn inhereted the rights to, as they assumed full control of the Marvel property. Those specific film franchise rights you mentioned WERE NOT MARVEL PROPERTY/ASSETS. They were not Marvel's to sell, they did not own them. They were not Marvel assets, how else can I phrase this??? I don't now how else to put it, I can't simplify it any further. They have total control over the property they purchased, FULL CONTROL. None of the things you mentioned were Marvel properties. None of them were Marvel assets. Other companies owned them. When they purchased Marvel, everything Marvel owned and controlled Disney assumed control of, Disney took full control of all of Marvel's assets. Good lord it's like trying to reason with a wall.

Disney now owns all of Lucasfilms, everything Lucasfilms controlled Disney now controls. Full control of Lucasfilms.

[Merlinpants]

Originally Posted by Ernest Rister

Australia fans just got their downloads...the films are the same as the recent blu-ray release. So, yeah. Devin and his "sources" wrong again.

NUMEROUS people confirmed it to him. What a great group of sources he has, they must absolutely love him.

[Merlinpants]

Originally Posted by Stinky-Dinkins

They bought 100% of EVERYTHING Marvel owned at the time of purchase. Marvel could not sell Disney something it did not own at the time. It bought ALL Marvel assets, everything Marvel had the rights to Disney in turn inhereted the rights to, as they assumed full control of the Marvel property. Those specific film franchise rights you mentioned WERE NOT MARVEL PROPERTY/ASSETS. They were not Marvel's to sell, they did not own them. They were not Marvel assets, how else can I phrase this??? I don't now how else to put it, I can't simplify it any further. They have total control over the property they purchased, FULL CONTROL. None of the things you mentioned were Marvel properties. None of them were Marvel assets. Other companies owned them. When they purchased Marvel, everything Marvel owned and controlled Disney assumed control of, Marvel took full control of all of Marvel's assets. Good lord it's like trying to reason with a wall.

Disney now owns all of Lucasfilms, everything Lucasfilms controlled Disney now controls. Full control of Lucasfilms.

Answer me this, who owns spiderman?

[Stinky-Dinkins]

Originally Posted by Merlinpants

Answer me this, who owns spiderman?

What are you talking about?

Sony owns the rights to the Spiderman film franchise. That is a Sony asset. Those were not Marvel assets, not Marvel property, Marvel did not own those rights when they were purchased by Disney. What about this do you not understand?
Disney bought the Marvel property, EVERYTHING owned by Marvel is now owned by Disney (seeing as Disney owns Marvel.) Disney assumed full control of Marvel. Every Marvel asset became a Disney asset.

Disney purchased Lucasfilms. The now have full control over everything Lucasfilms once independently owned.

[Merlinpants]

Originally Posted by Stinky-Dinkins

What are you talking about?

Sony owns the rights the Spiderman film franchise. That is a Sony asset. Those were not Marvel assets, not Marvel property, Marvel did not own those rights when they were purchased by Disney.
Disney bought the Marvel property, EVERYTHING owned by Marvel is now owned by Disney (seeing as Disney owns Marvel.) Disney assumed full control of Marvel.

Disney purchased Lucasfilms. The now have full control over everything Lucasfilms once independently owned.

I didn't say movie rights, who owns SPIDERMAN? You know, the character.

[seannyd]

Originally Posted by Merlinpants

Answer me this, who owns spiderman?

I think the point is that Marvel owns Spider-Man. They have simply sold the license to make Spider-Man movies to Sony. There's no confusion there.

With Lucasfilm it's apples and oranges. The only company that ever had the rights to make Star Wars movies was Lucasfilm. They entered into distribution agreements, sure. But Lucasfilm is Star Wars and nobody else had any rights to do things with the Star Wars license in regards to movies. I can't imagine that it would make sense for Disney to say "We are purchasing all assets from your company EXCEPT for the original theatrical version of the trilogy. That's staying with you, George."

[Merlinpants]

Originally Posted by seannyd

I think the point is that Marvel owns Spider-Man. They have simply sold the license to make Spider-Man movies to Sony. There's no confusion there.

With Lucasfilm it's apples and oranges. The only company that ever had the rights to make Star Wars movies was Lucasfilm. They entered into distribution agreements, sure. But Lucasfilm is Star Wars and nobody else had any rights to do things with the Star Wars license in regards to movies. I can't imagine that it would make sense for Disney to say "We are purchasing all assets from your company EXCEPT for the original theatrical version of the trilogy. That's staying with you, George."

Thank you seannyd. Can marvel make a film with spiderman in it tomorrow?

[Gold Ranger]

Originally Posted by Merlinpants

I didn't say movie rights, who owns SPIDERMAN? You know, the character.

Marvel Owns the TV Rights, comic Book Rights, Toy and Merch Rights to Fantastic Four, X-Men and Spider-Man.

Sony only owns Spider-Man movie rights.

Fox only owns Fantastic Four and X-Men Movie Rights.

[dvdmike]

Originally Posted by Gold Ranger

Marvel Owns the TV Rights, comic Book Rights, Toy and Merch Rights to Fantastic Four, X-Men and Spider-Man.

Sony only owns Spider-Man movie rights.

Fox only owns Fantastic Four and X-Men Movie Rights.

Mutants also, but this thread is so derailed

[Gold Ranger]

Originally Posted by seannyd

I think the point is that Marvel owns Spider-Man. They have simply sold the license to make Spider-Man movies to Sony. There's no confusion there.

[Show spoiler]With Lucasfilm it's apples and oranges. The only company that ever had the rights to make Star Wars movies was Lucasfilm. They entered into distribution agreements, sure. But Lucasfilm is Star Wars and nobody else had any rights to do things with the Star Wars license in regards to movies. I can't imagine that it would make sense for Disney to say "We are purchasing all assets from your company EXCEPT for the original theatrical version of the trilogy. That's staying with you, George."

Wrong, Just like with Fox, LionsGate and many other studios, they only LEASED out the movie rights.

If too much time passes between movies, the Movie rights go back to Marvel.

[Stinky-Dinkins]

Originally Posted by Merlinpants

I didn't say movie rights, who owns SPIDERMAN? You know, the character.

You're speaking about Spiderman if it's only ONE thing, as if it's one specific thing only one person or company can hold at a time.
Spiderman THE FILM FRANCHISE is a completely separate entity from, say, Spiderman the comic book franchise. Sony purchased the rights to specific incarnations of Spiderman. Those uses of the Spiderman character became the property/asset of Sony (as someone above just stated, technically a "lease" of the rights but SOny has to merely decide to endlessly renew the rights to prevent it from returning to Marvel, which would in essence be returning it to Disney). One they were sold to Sony, they ceased to be Marvel assets/property. When Disney purchased Marvel, they assumed full control of the Marvel properties.

It would be like if Lucasfilms had literally sold off the rights to the Original Trilogy to, say, Columbia in 1998. Now, when Disney purchased Lucasfilms last year, it would still have assumed full control of all Lucasfilms properties. WOuld it have gotten the rights to the original trilogy in that scenario? No, because those rights would not have been a Lucasfilms property at the point of sale. That is not the scenario here, in the real world. The original trilogy WAS a Lucasfilm property. It is now a Disney property.

[Merlinpants]

The answer is, no marvel cannot make a spiderman film without permission or involvement from Sony//Columbia.

So, is it clear your honour that marvel and by association Disney do not have TOTAL control of one of marvels properties despite the aforementioned Disney having paid billions for the ownership of the company known as marvel?

It doesn't matter that the rights weren't there when Disney bought it, they bought it knowing they wouldn't have total control over quite a number of important parts of the marvel assets.

This really needs to stop now. The point is clear, Disney is a happy to pay billions for a company where it does not gain total control of all of the assets it purchased. Truth seems to be that they look at new income streams as opposed to old, which is what is worrying for the UOT.

Translated, they might not ever be able to release the UOT if that was not available or the rights were not able to be sold to them at time of acquisition. Fox anyone? As we all know, repeatedly, lucasfilm/Disney do not have TOTAL control of a new hope as fox holds distribution rights in perpetuity. And back on track, I thank you.

[seannyd]

Originally Posted by Gold Ranger

Wrong, Just like with Fox, LionsGate and many other studios, they only LEASED out the movie rights.

If too much time passes between movies, the Movie rights go back to Marvel.

That's what I meant. Used the wrong terminology.

[Gold Ranger]

Originally Posted by seannyd

That's what I meant. Used the wrong terminology.

LOL. That's ok.
Wasn't sure you knew, and wanted to have it cleared up, not just for you, but for everyone that visits this thread.

Bad terminology is how things get blown out of proportion.

[Stinky-Dinkins]

Originally Posted by Merlinpants

The answer is, no marvel cannot make a spiderman film without permission or involvement from Sony//Columbia.

So, is it clear your honour that marvel and by association Disney do not have TOTAL control of one of marvels properties despite the aforementioned Disney having paid billions for the ownership of the company known as marvel?

The rights to the Spiderman film franchise is NOT a Marvel property. It is a Sony property. They currently hold the rights, it is a Sony asset.

This is what you are not seeming to be able to grasp. When Disney purchased Marvel, they assumed full control of all Marvel properties. At the time, Spiderman the film franchise was not a Marvel property, it was the property of Sony.

When Disney purchased Lucasfilms it assumed full control of all of Lucasfilms properties. The original trilogy was a Lucasfilm property at the time.

[Merlinpants]

Originally Posted by Stinky-Dinkins

The rights to the Spiderman film franchise is NOT a Marvel property. It is a Sony property. They currently hold the rights, it is a Sony asset.

OMG, DOG AND BONE SPRINGS TO MIND.

Spiderman is a marvel property, they cannot control it in the movies! They do not have the holy grail of TOTAL control you claimed Disney would never pay billions for.

Please, leave it now, let's agree to disagree before the ban hammer gets broken out. There are more important things to laugh at like badass digest being caught out once more click baiting, and people believing that anything in Star Wars land was actually going to change for the better.

[Stinky-Dinkins]

Originally Posted by Merlinpants

Spiderman is a marvel property, they cannot control it in the movies!

YAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA! You must be high or something, if you're not able to grasp such a simple, simple concept I do not know what to tell you.

Read this a few times, sit back, and try to absord it.

https://forum.blu-ray.com/showpost.p...ostcount=52686

Spiderman the film franchise is a Sony property.

Spiderman the film franchise is not a Marvel property.

Disney purchased Marvel. They assumed full control of all of Marvel's properties.

Spiderman the film franchise is not a Disney property.


When Disney purchased Marvel, they assumed full control of all of Marvel's assets. By purchasing Marvel, Disney did not magically gain control of Sony corporation.

Lucasfilms owned the Star Wars franchise, including ownership of the original trilogy.

Disney purchased Lucasfilms and assumed full control of the company and all of its assets.

Disney owns the rights to the original trilogy.

[Merlinpants]

Originally Posted by Stinky-Dinkins

YAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA! You must be high or something, if you're not able to grasp such a simple, simple concept I do not know what to tell you.

Read this a few times, sit back, and try to absord it.

https://forum.blu-ray.com/showpost.p...ostcount=52686

Spiderman the film franchise is a Sony property.

Spiderman the film franchise is not a Marvel property.

Disney purchased Marvel. They assumed full control of all of Marvel's properties.

Spiderman the film franchise is not a Disney property.


When Disney purchased Marvel, they assumed full control of all of Marvel's assets. By purchasing Marvel, Disney did not magically gain control of Sony corporation.

Lucasfilms owned the Star Wars franchise, including ownership of the original trilogy.

Disney purchased Lucasfilms and assumed full control of the company and all of its assets.

Disney owns the rights to the original trilogy.

You're right, I lose, how could I be so dumb. I though total control meant they would be able to do anything with the properties they bought, including make any film they wanted with any of the characters as well as use marvel extensively through all of the Disney theme parks unfettered. How could I be so blind to think that is what TOTAL control meant. It just means they can do what they want with only the reduced level of what they bought and answer to the beck and call of other movie studios and theme parks as to what they can do with the characters they own. It is fine that they they knew this at this time of purchase, but it is still total control. Looking forward to riding spiderman the movie at Disney studios Florida next year.

Now, no more. As my mamma used to say 'stupid is as stupid does'. You might want a ban, I dont.