Star Wars: The Complete Saga (1977-2005)

[Nicolawicz]

It's always the director who's considered to be the author of the film, "hired" or not. I think he also wanted to add CGI to the Indiana Jones films, but thankfully Spielberg said NO.

[Arawn]

Originally Posted by cynatnite

Luke said to Leia that the force was strong in his family. I've often wondered if Padme had some of that mojo.

In one version of the AOTC script Yoda does say that the Force is strong with Padme. But such a thing isn't required to explain the Force being strong in the Skywalker family. Clearly the unusual Force strength in the Skywalker line comes from Anakin.

Originally Posted by octagon

Ignore those droids, they say. Those aren't the droids you want to be listening to, they say.

By definition medical droids cannot sense nor have any understanding of the Force.

[A Sith Lord?]

Must've never seen Empire of Dreams.

Lucas didn't direct Empire or Jedi but it's not like he wasn't involved. He still used nearly all his money to finance Empire plus write the stories.

[ElvisForever]

Originally Posted by Nicolawicz

It's always the director who's considered to be the author of the film, "hired" or not. I think he also wanted to add CGI to the Indiana Jones films, but thankfully Spielberg said NO.

There is no hired in quotation marks. Lucas Film paid for the movie and Lucas helped write the film.

So let me get this straight, lets say you have a bunch of car parts and you pay someone else to put them together, does that person now own your car?

Now lets take it further and say the audience that watches that car race thinks they own your car because they bought a lot of tickets?

Dude, not only do you own the car, but you can paint it, make love to it, and yes even set fire to it. If you bring that charred car to the race and it no longer performs, that is also your right.

Of course we know that no matter what, that car has performed and sold tickets time and time again.

As for Spielburg, that is a different story. It isn't that Lucas couldn't do it, it was likely due to the respect he has for him and the backlash with Star Wars. It is a moot point anyway, since he sold that property to Disney as well.

[A Sith Lord?]

Lol.

Lest we forget Lucas asked all of his friends in Hollywood to direct Phantom Menace including Spielberg and they all encouraged him to do it.

[Ernest Rister]

Originally Posted by Nicolawicz

It's always the director who's considered to be the author of the film, "hired" or not. I think he also wanted to add CGI to the Indiana Jones films, but thankfully Spielberg said NO.

It isn't always the director who is the main creative force considered to be the "author" of a film. Producers sometimes hire directors to do as as they're asked, most famous example is Mr. Disney.

[Ernest Rister]

Originally Posted by ElvisForever

There is no hired in quotation marks. Lucas Film paid for the movie and Lucas helped write the film.

So let me get this straight, lets say you have a bunch of car parts and you pay someone else to put them together, does that person now own your car?

Now lets take it further and say the audience that watches that car race thinks they own your car because they bought a lot of tickets?

Dude, not only do you own the car, but you can paint it, make love to it, and yes even set fire to it. If you bring that charred car to the race and it no longer performs, that is also your right.

Of course we know that no matter what, that car has performed and sold tickets time and time again.

As for Spielburg, that is a different story. It isn't that Lucas couldn't do it, it was likely due to the respect he has for him and the backlash with Star Wars. It is a moot point anyway, since he sold that property to Disney as well.

Spielberg's contract stipulates he has right of final cut. Lucas and Spielberg are great friends, though, so I doubt there was any sort of friction between them regarding alterations to Raiders.

[WhySoBlu?]

Originally Posted by Arawn

By definition medical droids cannot sense nor have any understanding of the Force.

Why would a medical droid, created and maintained in a time when the Jedi are prevalent and well-known throughout the universe, not have any understanding of the Force? Weren't there blood tests to determine midichlorian counts in people during that time?

[ElvisForever]

Originally Posted by Ernest Rister

Spielberg's contract stipulates he has right of final cut. Lucas and Spielberg are great friends, though, so I doubt there was any sort of friction between them regarding alterations to Raiders.

Well that most certainly explains it. It doesn't make him own it, but it sure makes him control it. Spielberg is a true great so I would give him final cut too. Thanks for the info.

You know what always baffles the mind with me. You have Scorsese, DePalma, Coppola, Lucas, and Spielberg all paling around the same time. Such a great time with directors.

[A Sith Lord?]

Originally Posted by WhySoBlu?

Why would a medical droid, created and maintained in a time when the Jedi are prevalent and well-known throughout the universe, not have any understanding of the Force? Weren't there blood tests to determine midichlorian counts in people during that time?

The Jedi were a private order despite being affiliated with the Republic.

Remember only a Jedi couldn't erase or alter the Archives. Sure it would also have to be a Master as well.

The Force in the eyes of a regular person was a hokey religion. To the Jedi and Sith and it's a vessel and way of life.

The blood tests could never have been public. I don't think Queen Amidala or the Trade Federation knew what midichlorians were.

[Arawn]

Originally Posted by WhySoBlu?

Why would a medical droid, created and maintained in a time when the Jedi are prevalent and well-known throughout the universe, not have any understanding of the Force?

Because it's a droid.

Originally Posted by WhySoBlu?

Weren't there blood tests to determine midichlorian counts in people during that time?

Midichlorians aren't the Force.

[Falaskan]

Hate to say this, but remember how many people claimed Padme couldn't die of a broken heart? Guess we know that's not true now.


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[Ernest Rister]

Originally Posted by Falaskan

Hate to say this, but remember how many people claimed Padme couldn't die of a broken heart? Guess we know that's not true now.

I don't think Padme had a stroke.

[Falaskan]

Originally Posted by Ernest Rister

I don't think Padme had a stroke.

It can take the form of heart failure as well...a broken heart is essentially a heart attack brought on by stress on a weak heart. but honestly I'm hoping the ST reveals Padme faked her death before dying with Leia a few years later.


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[MifuneFan]

Broken heart syndrome is all too real, and can manifest itself as a stroke, which can lead to death. So yes, you can techinically die of a "broken heart"

[captveg]

Originally Posted by Nicolawicz

It's always the director who's considered to be the author of the film, "hired" or not. I think he also wanted to add CGI to the Indiana Jones films, but thankfully Spielberg said NO.

The Auteur Theory has its place, but it is often overused and misapplied. There have always been writer driven or producer driven films wherein the director was not the main significant voice of the work, from Kirk Douglas on Spartacus, to Selznick on Gone with the Wind.

[Mighty Max]

Don't forget, she saw the attack on the Jedi Temple...
She thought Anakin was killed in the attack.

Originally Posted by MasturB

Here are the facts:

Padme was Queen of a planet that was taken hostage by invasion. She was manipulated into removing her biggest ally Chancellor Vallorum out of power and Palpatine rose.

She's balancing her political ambitions and her romance with Anakin. Their affair is a secret. The Jedi Council, some of the wisest minds in the universe, have not deduced that they're together. Nor do they know that she's pregnant with Anakin's child.

She's so far along into pregnancy that she's due any minute now. If you've been around pregnant women around this stage of pregnancy you know how emotionally irrational they can be over the simplest things.

Obi-Wan accused Anakin of slaughtering Jedi and murdering Younglings. She has no idea whats' going on, but she's sensing Anakin's behavior has been somewhat off.

She's present at the Chancellor's speech talking about the failed Jedi coupe on his life and office. She knows the Jedi aren't these evil people, so why is this all happening.

So through all of this, she's juggling: having witnessed the death of Democracy, the Jedi Order collapsing, her impending pregnancy due any day now, and her boyfriend on the verge of becoming evil. Whichever part of her life, whether personal, political, or professional was collapsing. It's not like she lost her Senate seat, she literally witnessed the demise of a free society. As she said it was "with thunderous applause". She saw the smoke at the Jedi Temple and had no idea what was going on other than Anakin acting erratic and vague.

When she gets to Mustafar, she's PLEADING to him. Come home to Naboo, we'll live in seclusion away from everything just raise the baby. She's not 100% convinced yet that he's far gone. It's only when she hears it from Anakin's own mouth that the emotional roller coaster is taking the nose dive. Anakin, the person she loved most in this universe, not only admits to wiping out the Jedi but he chokes her unconsciously.

When she wakes up, she has no idea if Anakin is alive or dead. Despite the negativity in front of her she remains positive telling Obi-Wan there's still good in him.

When she's having the baby, it emotionally and physically takes a toll on her. Factor in possibly Sidious draining her life through the Force and it makes perfect sense to me that she could die from a broken heart/losing the will the live.

Even the strongest of women can come crashing down. It's human nature.

[Mighty Max]

Originally Posted by WhySoBlu?

If Palpy was "draining her life through the Force" (of which, there is absolutely no indication onscreen, as far as I can recall,) then she clearly didn't die from a broken heart/losing the will to live.

I still think that thise medic droids have no concept of the force...

[WhySoBlu?]

Originally Posted by Arawn

Because it's a droid.

A droid with detailed files on the human anatomy. A droid that's trusted to perform operations and deliver babies.

Originally Posted by Arawn

Midichlorians aren't the Force.

No, but the amount you have in your blood determines how powerful you are with it. It's a detectable thing in the blood.

There's nothing in the film to suggest her death had anything to do with the force in the first place. If that was Lucas's intention, he failed to convey that to his audience.

Originally Posted by Mighty Max

I still think that thise medic droids have no concept of the force...

Let's set aside the fact that you have no reason to believe that, based on what's said and shown in the movies. What makes you think the force had anything to do with her death in the first place?

[WhySoBlu?]

Originally Posted by Falaskan

It can take the form of heart failure as well...a broken heart is essentially a heart attack brought on by stress on a weak heart. but honestly I'm hoping the ST reveals Padme faked her death before dying with Leia a few years later.

Had Padme's heart failed, that would be a medically detectable cause of death. But as we all know, there was no medically detectable cause of death. She was perfectly healthy, medically speaking.