Star Wars: The Complete Saga (1977-2005)

[stvn1974]

George Lucas didn't rape your childhood but he did ruin Star Wars.

[Mefan101]

Originally Posted by stvn1974

George Lucas didn't rape your childhood but he did ruin Star Wars.

Well, that your opinion/problem. Not mine.

[ElvisForever]

Originally Posted by Caseyscott

I understand how the filming process works, and I never stated the director doesn't have the final say (she/he does not always though) just that film is a collaborative medium, and often works best as a collaborative effort.

Is that the generalization you are referring to? If you don't think that is correct that would be a pleasant discussion to have.

Dude you are playing that strawman to the nth degree.

Go back and read. Why should I repeat when I explained about the generalization. Here is a clue, it is the sentence directly preceding.

Filiming is a collaborative effort, but it isn't a democracy. Acting like they have equal say or any majority say is stupidity at best.

While there are valuable players, Lucas can and did replace people as he saw fit and still had fantastic movies that generated tons of profit.

The point I was making from the beginning, is fans over emphasizing their importance by thinking their ideas are better or even relevant.

It is as wrong as your Murphy's Law application. It doesn't fit.

The same is true of the people that worked for Lucas. Important yes, but only as important as Lucas hired them to be a part of his bigger picture.

I value their input, but I am not fool enough to forget the person that came up with the ideas and brought it all to life.

[svenge]

Originally Posted by ElvisForever

Dude you are playing that strawman to the nth degree.

Go back and read. Why should I repeat when I explained about the generalization. Here is a clue, it is the sentence directly preceding.

Filiming is a collaborative effort, but it isn't a democracy. Acting like they have equal say or any majority say is stupidity at best.

While there are valuable players, Lucas can and did replace people as he saw fit and still had fantastic movies that generated tons of profit.

The point I was making from the beginning, is fans over emphasizing their importance by thinking their ideas are better or even relevant.

It is as wrong as your Murphy's Law application. It doesn't fit.

The same is true of the people that worked for Lucas. Important yes, but only as important as Lucas hired them to be a part of his bigger picture.

I value their input, but I am not fool enough to forget the person that came up with the ideas and brought it all to life.

But you are fool enough not to realize that once ol' George got rid of all the talented people who acted as restraints on him, that meant that many of his lesser ideas made the screen unfiltered (e.g. 95% of entire prequel trilogy's execution) due to there being absolutely no one in the building having the temerity to question his judgment. This is patently obvious in the "The Beginning" documentary on the TPM DVD.

[Caseyscott]

Originally Posted by ElvisForever

Dude you are playing that strawman to the nth degree.

Go back and read. Why should I repeat when I explained about the generalization. Here is a clue, it is the sentence directly preceding.

Filiming is a collaborative effort, but it isn't a democracy. Acting like they have equal say or any majority say is stupidity at best.

While there are valuable players, Lucas can and did replace people as he saw fit and still had fantastic movies that generated tons of profit.

The point I was making from the beginning, is fans over emphasizing their importance by thinking their ideas are better or even relevant.

It is as wrong as your Murphy's Law application. It doesn't fit.

The same is true of the people that worked for Lucas. Important yes, but only as important as Lucas hired them to be a part of his bigger picture.

I value their input, but I am not fool enough to forget the person that came up with the ideas and brought it all to life.

How is that a straw man? Someone was discussing how things may have changed between the OT and the PT as far as how much Lucas may have listened to input. That is the exact opposite of a straw man. In fact going through this thread you seem to throw out that term a lot when it isn't applicable. I'm not creating a different argument, I'm discussing precisely the same thing I was discussing when I entered the thread.

[rickah88]

Originally Posted by stvn1974

George Lucas didn't rape your childhood but he did ruin Star Wars.

George Lucas has given me so much more than he's taken away.

[crissrudd4554]

Originally Posted by Mefan101

He didn't rape your childhood. That is one of the stupidest things I ever heard. I don't share your feelings. The special editions were released when I was 7. Am I to blame for not having a problem with the changes? I was part of the next generation of fans at the time. Lucas did something right.

My introduction to SW was the OUT on VHS. When I was 6 or 7 I got the SE's on VHS. As I grew up and watched both versions and came to realize the originals would never be available again, not counting the 2006 DVDs, I was bugged by the changes more and more so I don't think age has to necessarily play a role in this.

That said I definitely don't put myself in the 'Lucas raped my childhood' crowd. I too shake my head when I hear that phrase. I don't agree with a lot of what Lucas has done, particularly the availability of the OUT, but to compare something like that to something as horrible as rape just baffles me.

[jon angell]

Originally Posted by rodneyfaile

I don't begrudge anyone liking anything, but your version is still available. I am not saying replace the special editions with the Unaltered Original Trilogy. I am saying just put it out there too.

this is what I think should be done also, if they can do it for the DVD's why can they not do it for the blurays, most movies that have 2 or 3 cuts will put out all of them, I'm sure that if a set of movies 4,5,&6 were to be released they would sell very well (the unaltered ones), I know that I would get them

[Bobbyjoe766]

Sooner or later the originals will be made available, this can't go on forever.

Lucas is an old man.

[ElvisForever]

Originally Posted by Caseyscott

How is that a straw man? Someone was discussing how things may have changed between the OT and the PT as far as how much Lucas may have listened to input. That is the exact opposite of a straw man. In fact going through this thread you seem to throw out that term a lot when it isn't applicable. I'm not creating a different argument, I'm discussing precisely the same thing I was discussing when I entered the thread.

Your behavior is trollish at this point.

A good sign of that is when you ask questions, get answers and ignore and jump to something else without a thought to what you said or what someone is communicating to you.

The dfference is that I make effort to see your point, and you still play games. You are not alone in this behavior.

The strawman is your generalities. I say there are fanboys, you say I am meaning everyone that disagrees with me is one. Therefore you knock down what looks my argument, but in fact is nothing like it. STRAW MAN.

How you stupidly equate it to your example I will never know. It is like Strawman on top of strawman. Hell at this point, it is just straight up dishonesty.

You aren't clever, but you are boring. I think this house is clean.

[Early Memphis]

It’s a pity I had to return my ordered copy of The Complete Saga, but these arguments have been educational. I Googled to find out what Jedi Rocks were (thinking perhaps added CGI rocks?) and wound up watching clips and wondering who the hell would replace Lapti Nek with that crap - and why? Anyway, I also came across a video of the purported “Top 10 Worst Star Wars Special Edition Changes”. Not sure if this is the 10 worst or not, but what’s with all the “No-o-o-o-o-o!!!!”’s, needless voice changes, back-and-forth edits from version to version - and the screams? …

Top 10 Worst Star Wars Special Edition Changes - YouTube

Let me know if you think there’s even worse changes I should be wary of ...

[imsounoriginal]

The worst part of Jedi Rocks isn't that it's in the movie, it's that it's on the soundtrack for Battlefront II. I remember playing the Jedi/Sith multiplayer on my old Xbox and anytime you go near certain buildings that stupid song comes on and I would immediately run away, even if I was about to die and there was a medic droid inside. The stupid Ewok song was also on that soundtrack in certain places IIRC.

[Caseyscott]

Originally Posted by ElvisForever

Your behavior is trollish at this point.

A good sign of that is when you ask questions, get answers and ignore and jump to something else without a thought to what you said or what someone is communicating to you.

The dfference is that I make effort to see your point, and you still play games. You are not alone in this behavior.

The strawman is your generalities. I say there are fanboys, you say I am meaning everyone that disagrees with me is one. Therefore you knock down what looks my argument, but in fact is nothing like it. STRAW MAN.

How you stupidly equate it to your example I will never know. It is like Strawman on top of strawman. Hell at this point, it is just straight up dishonesty.

You aren't clever, but you are boring. I think this house is clean.

I can't find any questions you asked of me in our recent exchange. I've been very civil and addressed each point to the best of my ability, that's hardly trolling.

I brought up the fanboy retort because you have several times now responded to criticism from me about the prequels with the fanboy aside, therefore it is relevant, not a generalization and demonstratively not a straw man.

You keep brining it up instead of instead of actually discussing the criticism, that why I felt my comment was warranted.

I don't think I'm out of line to suggest that films can be better as a collaborative effort.

[ElvisForever]

Originally Posted by Early Memphis

It’s a pity I had to return my ordered copy of The Complete Saga, but these arguments have been educational. I Googled to find out what Jedi Rocks were (thinking perhaps added CGI rocks?) and wound up watching clips and wondering who the hell would replace Lapti Nek with that crap - and why? Anyway, I also came across a video of the purported “Top 10 Worst Star Wars Special Edition Changes”. Not sure if this is the 10 worst or not, but what’s with all the “No-o-o-o-o-o!!!!”’s, needless voice changes, back-and-forth edits from version to version - and the screams? …

Top 10 Worst Star Wars Special Edition Changes - YouTube

Let me know if you think there’s even worse changes I should be wary of ...

You returned it based on that? Wow. And yet there is miles of simply awesome footage and great docs and not to mentioned the best sound the Star awars saga ever had.

Jedi Rocks sucks ....so did bug eyed women emperors and the yub yub Ewok theme for me.

I think people hold on to the nostalgia so hard that they forget that there were a lot of really cool changes that cleaned up the image and improved the experience.

Again, if anything, there was a lot of historical footage on the box set that is not to be missed.

To this day the 4 disc Pearl Harbor box set has do many extras that are just priceless, I almost look at the film as the extra to the extras.

To each his own.

But unlike others, I don't fault you for not liking the changes as I and others have love for the prequels. There is room for both views.

I just think there is a lot more to that box set than a few digital changes (and yes again I agree Jedi Rocks sucks bad).

The pod race in HD sound is worth it to me. There is nothing like it.

[crissrudd4554]

You do realize the BD's utilize the same 2K masters as the 2004 DVDs which even in 2004 were criticized for their coloring and sound design. It's not just the digitial changes that people are disappointed with in regards to the BDs. Plus if Jedi Rocks is enough to convince someone not to own the BDs that's their choice. I myself have yet to own the BDs and ain't gonna do it until both cuts are included. If that never happens so be it. The 2006 DVDs and DeSpecialized will suffice. And before you throw the nostalgia factor at me I said BOTH cuts!

[Mefan101]

The Blu Rays look fine on my TV. (Though I wish I had the money to get my TV calibrated). If only I had a soundbar, and a subwoofer to go with it. However, my family and I are moving to an apartment soon, so having a sound system would be unwise.

[ElvisForever]

Originally Posted by crissrudd4554

You do realize the BD's utilize the same 2K masters as the 2004 DVDs which even in 2004 were criticized for their coloring and sound design. It's not just the digitial changes that people are disappointed with in regards to the BDs. Plus if Jedi Rocks is enough to convince someone not to own the BDs that's their choice. I myself have yet to own the BDs and ain't gonna do it until both cuts are included. If that never happens so be it. The 2006 DVDs and DeSpecialized will suffice. And before you throw the nostalgia factor at me I said BOTH cuts!

First of all I mentioned sound, not video.

Second, the 2k master was stil grossly compressed and last I hear DVD is less than 1K...add to that 6 times less because of but rate on a good day.

In short, the bluray blows the DVD away in quality (color timing issues aside).

From someone that owns the blurays and knows the difference and not just hearing rumors, there are so many reasons as a fan...yes he has his choice, however silly it is.

I also know the 35mm with 70mm surround sound. Yes there is nothing like unaltered....but to miss out on a great visual and audio experience...just boggles the mind. Comparing to the compressed to hell DVD...really?

Please tell me you aren't wasting time with the non-anamorphic DVD. Hell might as well go buy a laserdisc player and at least get analog sound.

[buck135]

Originally Posted by Mefan101

The Blu Rays look fine on my TV. (Though I wish I had the money to get my TV calibrated).

If I may make a suggestion, if you Google your televisions model number along with "calibration", you may uncover many suitable settings from others that own the set as well (perhaps even a YouTube video). I find that this is a great starting point from which you can adjust the settings to suit your preferences.

[Mefan101]

Originally Posted by buck135

If I may make a suggestion, if you Google your televisions model number along with "calibration", you may uncover many suitable settings from others that own the set as well (perhaps even a YouTube video). I find that this is a great starting point from which you can adjust the settings to suit your preferences.

Possibly. It also depends on room lighting, the difference between daytime and nighttime, etc. It's not like I own a 4k TV. I have a Sony 55" 1080p TV about 2 years old. I guess I'll give it a try. I can't fins anything for a KDL-55W800C.

[crissrudd4554]

Originally Posted by ElvisForever

First of all I mentioned sound, not video.

Second, the 2k master was stil grossly compressed and last I hear DVD is less than 1K...add to that 6 times less because of but rate on a good day.

In short, the bluray blows the DVD away in quality (color timing issues aside).

From someone that owns the blurays and knows the difference and not just hearing rumors, there are so many reasons as a fan...yes he has his choice, however silly it is.

I also know the 35mm with 70mm surround sound. Yes there is nothing like unaltered....but to miss out on a great visual and audio experience...just boggles the mind. Comparing to the compressed to hell DVD...really?

Please tell me you aren't wasting time with the non-anamorphic DVD. Hell might as well go buy a laserdisc player and at least get analog sound.

I honestly don't know why you care what any of us are watching and how we watch it. I'm entitled to watch my movies any way I choose as you are. But the fact you feel the need to call out those who don't have the same viewing pleasure as you and you are actually bothered by that frankly boggles me. Leave them alone. Watch the movies the way you want. To put it bluntly I'm in a minority. The BDs aside from the HD quality are the same as the DVDs. They are the same masters with only a few additional changes made. The bonus content is not enough for me to bag on something I technically own because frankly HD is not mandatory in my viewing pleasure. It's nice and definitely worth it if you have it but I'm not gonna lose sleep at night knowing my video collection isn't fully up to BD standards. There's more important things in life. If this bothers people like you more power to you.

PS I mentioned DeSpecialized which is an HD version and a major plus over the non-anamorphic DVD!