Star Wars: The Complete Saga (1977-2005)

[ElvisForever]

I have heard stories about David Prowse being on the outs, but I have always enjoyed his nterviews. Always remember him in a Clockwork Orange.

Thanks for the doc tip.

I have a question. This may seem silly, but what are the limitations on using the force to stop people? For instance, Ben lets Luke go back home while yelling at him that its too dangerous because of the possibility of the Empire giving it a visit. He stands in one place and lets it happen? I gues a boy will do what he needs to do...but I would think you would try to stop him. I guess the droids need protected.

[Josep5349]

"The Force can have a strong influence on the weak minded".

[Martoto]

Is it random Star Wars quote day?

"They've gone up the ventilation shaft!!!"

[ElvisForever]

Originally Posted by Josep5349

"The Force can have a strong influence on the weak minded".

Good point!

Ok forget Luke...but what about the landspeeder then...anything!

[CGHULK]

So it has taken Adywan nine years to complete Empire Revisited. The release date will be this June. I want to see all of his edits of the films completed. I was a young man when he started on his edit of Empire. I'm worried by the time he's done with all six films I'll be an old man. Oh, at originaltrilogy.com they are reading all of your comments. Show some class!

[Ernest Rister]

Good morning, OriginalTrliogy.com! How was your weekend?

[Martoto]

Originally Posted by Ernest Rister

Good morning, OriginalTrliogy.com! How was your weekend?

It was ALL WRONG. Since it didn't have the same colours as an OOP laserdisc from 1985, which are surely the correct colours

[HeavyHitter]

I watched A New Hope last night from the BD.

Does the Harmy version manage to remove any of the artifacts such as frozen grain or edge enhancement? Although I'm not sure how one could remove EE. Or is it just color and gamma changes while keeping the original movie content and audio?

[Geoff D]

Not really, no. He's using the BDs as source for the majority of it so all that crap is baked in.

[WorkShed]

That's not 100% true. He has used various scans from other sources. The Mos Eisley sequences heavily uses 35mm scans not on the BD. Also, all the blurriness on Endor is gone for Return of the Jedi. It's a much better presentation than what is on the BD.

[kamphausd1]

Originally Posted by Martoto

Is it random Star Wars quote day?

"They've gone up the ventilation shaft!!!"

[Geoff D]

Originally Posted by WorkShed

That's not 100% true. He has used various scans from other sources. The Mos Eisley sequences heavily uses 35mm scans not on the BD. Also, all the blurriness on Endor is gone for Return of the Jedi. It's a much better presentation than what is on the BD.

Like I said, the majority of it is from the BDs.

[B72]

Mr. Lucas is 73 years old today ..... live long and prosper

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[imsounoriginal]

Originally Posted by B72

Mr. Lucas is 73 years old today ..... live long and prosper

[ElvisForever]

Originally Posted by WorkShed

That's not 100% true. He has used various scans from other sources. The Mos Eisley sequences heavily uses 35mm scans not on the BD. Also, all the blurriness on Endor is gone for Return of the Jedi. It's a much better presentation than what is on the BD.

Yeah, he used 35mm scans from a superior project. The funny part about here is that some others will claim the "grain" is crap and ignore that the sources used were the same!

If you study the work more close, the amount of digital manipulation is actually quite horrendous and nothing to do with how the original film was projected.

Adywan's changes are obscene, but at least there are no bones about what he is doing.

[fontcow]

Originally Posted by ElvisForever

Yeah, he used 35mm scans from a superior project. The funny part about here is that some others will claim the "grain" is crap and ignore that the sources used were the same!

If you study the work more close, the amount of digital manipulation is actually quite horrendous and nothing to do with how the original film was projected.

Adywan's changes are obscene, but at least there are no bones about what he is doing.

Harmy makes no bones about what he is doing either in regards to it being a reconstruction or "mashup" and not a "restoration".

"Despecialised is not a true restoration, it's a mashup of different sources of varying quality and it has always been meant to only be a placeholder until such time that a true restoration from 100 per cent authentic original sources becomes available." — Harmy, 2015

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-12-1...r-wars/6994818

And if Lucasfilm would simply make the original theatrical cuts available commercially in a format designed for modern technology he wouldn't be "reconstructing" it through "digital manipulation [that] is actually quite horrendous and [has] nothing to do with how the original film was projected in the first place." Speaking of which, the current Special Edition blu-rays produced by Lucasfilm and distributed by 20th Century Fox do not have "[any]thing to do with how the original film was projected in the first place" either (and definitely less so than the Despecialized versions) so Lucasfilm has set the benchmark low as far as that criteria is concerned.

In the end, the Despecialized versions are still arguably the best way to experience the original theatrically released trilogy in HD on equipment using modern technology.

[ElvisForever]

Originally Posted by fontcow

Harmy makes no bones about what he is doing either in regards to it being a reconstruction or "mashup" and not a "restoration".

And if Lucasfilm would simply make the original theatrical cuts available commercially in a format designed for modern technology he wouldn't be "reconstructing" it through "digital manipulation [that] is actually quite horrendous and [has] nothing to do with how the original film was projected in the first place." Speaking of which, the current Special Edition blu-rays produced by Lucasfilm and distributed by 20th Century Fox do not have "[any]thing to do with how the original film was projected in the first place" either (and definitely less so than the Despecialized versions) so Lucasfilm has set the benchmark low as far as that criteria is concerned.

In the end, the Despecialized versions are still arguably the best way to experience the original theatrically released trilogy in HD on equipment using modern technology.

The despecialized are deemed by some as the "best way" because of the revisionist way it is being seen where you want it to look like a modern bluray instead of what was actually seen in the movie theaters.

Of course the "HD" is anything but if you look at the elements that were used.

Taking a picture of the 35mm print is far more accurate and does not utilize any CGI to get the end goal.

Of course yes..you have to see some film grain.

On a side note, George Lucas didn't want it to look like the original film. He released it as his final cut. Why would you explain this to me or any other fan? It was never meant to be seen as it was in the original unfinished form (according to Lucas).

What Harmy has done is stolen content and rearranged it in a way that it was never meant to be seen as.

The flaws are the worst part, and his free hand fixing is obvious.

It is amazing to me how people will go over every little line of a bluray and will see any minute flaw but turn a complete blind eye to the many problems of the "despecialized" editions out there?

Again, at least a 35mm positive scan preserves all of the original intention.

[Aardvark_DK]

Originally Posted by ElvisForever

It was never meant to be seen as it was in the original unfinished form (according to Lucas).

Surely the most successful test screening of all time.

[bobbyh64]

If Lucas wasn't satisfied with how Star Wars turned out because the technology wasn't invented yet for what he wanted to do, he never should've made the film.

Edit: Or he should've waited to make the film.

[Martoto]

Originally Posted by bobbyh64

If Lucas wasn't satisfied with how Star Wars turned out because the technology wasn't invented yet for what he wanted to do, he never should've made the film.

Edit: Or he should've waited to make the film.

Yep.

George Lucas has a habit of narrating his tendency to change his mind or alter things as if the previous iteration was something the audience was never meant to see. And he also likes to make out that the alternatives to his own choices are somehow proscribed or improper. He famously told Coppola that emotionally engaging the audience in his movies was not desirable or necessary because "...anyone can do that. Just get a puppy and wring its neck."

In other words he's an artist that can't say. "I don't want that. I want this." or "I don't want that anymore.. I want this now."

The only propriety that should mean anything for the artist when justifying their choices is "I am the artist."

I find it a bit insulting when he tells us the audience they were never supposed to see something in the first place and it's too bad they've got attached to it.

(Except for obvious photographic or production flaws, which, perversely, have not been eliminated from his original trilogy and even justified by claiming that some fans like those imperfections.)