Star Wars: The Complete Saga (1977-2005)

[drush9999]

I've never been able to marry up the "perfectionist" Lucas editing his old movies with the "that'll do" director in prequel documentaries

[imsounoriginal]

Originally Posted by drush9999

I've never been able to marry up the "perfectionist" Lucas editing his old movies with the "that'll do" director in prequel documentaries

Because in his head, "that'll do" is followed by "...for now."

[bobbyh64]

Originally Posted by Geoff D

That's what I mean, it just breaks it up a bit and makes it seem like Greedo's actually going to shoot him, perhaps he's saying 'goodbye' or whatever in a sarky way. It's still incredibly stupid that a bounty hunter could miss his target from three feet away etc etc but with that major caveat out of the way I think this latest revision actually works a lot better than the previous ones.

A way to fix the stupidity that Greedo misses from such a short distance would be to insert a quick close-up of Ben Kenobi’s hand Force-waving away the blast. Similar to the shot of Qui-Gon’s hand when he influenced Watto’s chance cube in The Phantom Menace. Of course then the shot of Greedo’s blast would probably need to be altered so that the blast arcs a bit to the right.

Note: At first this post was intended to be a joke but now I’m not sure anymore because...at this point, why the hell not?

[drush9999]

Originally Posted by bobbyh64

A way to fix the stupidity that Greedo misses from such a short distance would be to insert a quick close-up of Ben Kenobi’s hand Force-waving away the blast. Similar to the shot of Qui-Gon’s hand when he influenced Watto’s chance cube in The Phantom Menace. Of course then the shot of Greedo’s blast would probably need to be altered so that the blast arcs a bit to the right.

Obi-Wan had already gone off with Luke to sell his landspeeder though, and Obi-Wan didn't use the force to influence the price they were getting...

[bobbyh64]

Originally Posted by Geoff D

Why did he change ANY of it from what it was back in 1977? Why did he change the prequels in varying ways since their theatrical releases? Rhetorical questions as Lucas is a habitual tinkerer just like Michael Mann, they can't not see X movie with their current viewpoint rather than let it exist as it was. Every single time they go back they see something else they can fiddle with.

I can understand why he’d want to add in CGI dinosaurs and other sh*t to help fill the screen, but things like trimming/adding shots to help with the pacing are things that are (or should) be done by an editor who knows what they’re doing during *ahem* post-production, the kind of post-production that occurs before a film is released, not twenty or forty years later. It boggles my mind.

[bobbyh64]

Originally Posted by drush9999

Obi-Wan had already gone off with Luke to sell his landspeeder though, and Obi-Wan didn't use the force to influence the price they were getting...

He could’ve sensed it from wherever he was. Distance matters not.

[HeavyHitter]

Originally Posted by imsounoriginal

Lucas is king of the trolls lmao

I've been saying we'll get the UOT in 2020 or never. Doesn't look like 2020's happening, so....

Agreed. Although I suspect with this improved source we'll see another Harmy-like approach to these from someone.

[Agent Kay]

Originally Posted by Scottishguy

I shall. Because they have more than enough cash to give us the original theatrical versions in 4K Dolby Vision. The versions the majority of people want.

Unless Lucas ensured they can't do that.

It's very not about cash

[bobbyh64]

Originally Posted by Agent Kay

It's very not about cash

Right. It’s about preserving the original intent of the artist.

[Scottishguy]

Now seeing that the prequels are only available in HDR10. This indicates to me it's more the case of just putting what they have available on the service for when Episode 9 hits. So these might not be the final releases. Fingers crossed.

[Doctorossi]

Originally Posted by Geoff D

It's still incredibly stupid that a bounty hunter could miss his target from three feet away etc etc but with that major caveat out of the way I think this latest revision actually works a lot better than the previous ones.

I think it's definitely the best revision version, but that's really not saying much.

[Gold Ranger]

This is the most important question right now!
Has Luke's LightSaber blade color been fixed in the Falcon Scene?

[ForceFreak]

Yes, it has.....

http://www.framecompare.com/screensh...rison/DYLWWNNX

Seems like Lucasfilm has confirmed that these are indeed the 2012 4K Lowry/Reliance Masters for the planned 3D Release supervised by Lucas. There are more screenshots out there now. Colors look very, very close to the 1997 SE. Couldnt be happier about that!

I watched the Greedo scene a couple of times now, i still prefer the original cut but it works for me and is miles better than anything before IMO.

[HD Goofnut]

Originally Posted by ForceFreak

Yes, it has.....

http://www.framecompare.com/screensh...rison/DYLWWNNX

Seems like Lucasfilm has confirmed that these are indeed the 2012 4K Lowry/Reliance Masters for the planned 3D Release overseeing by Lucas. There are more screenshots out there now. Colors look very, very close to the 1997 SE. Couldnt be happier about that!

I watched the Greedo scene a couple of times now, it works for me and is miles better than anything before IMO.

Now, that looks better for sure in terms of accurate colors.

[CreasyBear]

Is anyone else having issues with subtitles on ESB and Rebels? I can't turn the damn things off on my Roku.

[KMFDMvsEnya]

About an hour into ANH and looks pretty good in regards to the color grading, gone is that weird color cast, and contrast seems improved as well. Some of the tweaks are good, although not wholly sold on the Han and Greedo shootout changes but it does coverup that crap Han dodge shot.

I do not have an Atmos setup so no comments there and currently only have a 1080P display so no idea how good the 4K looks. The 1080p stream is pretty good, I have 1 gig internet connection, may attempt the download option later if it works for PCs.

I maybe misremembering but the various laser bolts look much better than the 04-11 transfers with possibly more detail than before such as with the Death Star destroying Alderaan. Highlights look good, whereas some of the fan GOUTs over do the contrast and blowout the highlights. So the image is not nearly as bright as some might prefer but it looks good.

ESB supposedly has some tweaks and improvements, haven't seen it yet.

After finishing ANH, I'll check out ESB for a bit then The Mandalorian if it is available.

Also severed MonkeySack guy's arm is bloody.
Luke's lightsaber has been corrected in the Falcon training scene.
There is a shot where Vader approaches the camera in a Death Star hallway which is intercut with Obi-wan sneaking around and the "fixed" parts of Vader's suit stands out more; the chest plate replacement does not track correctly.
In the Prison Block shootout two blaster bolt shots are still trimmed but one shows the poor guy take one to the chest. Can't remember if that has been the case for a while or not.
The Battle of Yavin looks great, blaster bolts look well defined and explosions are rendered beautifully. If they did additional VFX tweaks to matte lines then job well done.
Obi-wan's and Vader's DS lightsaber dual has fixed some of the lightsaber inconsistencies. Interestingly in this scene and throughout the film certain shots seem to lack just a little saturation. With the DS dual the sabers can look a little desaturated.
Pretty sure ANH is based on the 2011 remix, which is a good thing.

Just watched a bit of ESB and I maybe wrong but it sounds a little more dynamic, the top end is not as overly aggressive as past mixes, which in my opinion is a good thing. Still an aggressive mix but not as harsh.
When I saw a live performance of ESB with an orchestra the movie playback was weird, kind of like just the LR channels were playing or such, and loud, top end sounded harsh. It did have the Fox Studio logo at the beginning and the color grading was like the DVD or BR.
Color grading of ESB appears to, like ANH, have removed some of the odd choices in the prior transfers, Hoth is less overtly blue and the Luke and Wampa cave scene has more subtle blue hues and gradation which looks nice.

[PeterTHX]

Originally Posted by Geoff D

That's what I mean, it just breaks it up a bit and makes it seem like Greedo's actually going to shoot him, perhaps he's saying 'goodbye' or whatever in a sarky way. It's still incredibly stupid that a bounty hunter could miss his target from three feet away etc etc but with that major caveat out of the way I think this latest revision actually works a lot better than the previous ones.

AFAIK Greedo wasn't a bounty hunter, just one of Jabba's goons looking for an easy reward.

[CreasyBear]

The subtitles have magically disappeared so that's nice. Watching some of Episode IV-VI and I just don't know about these new transfers. They seem so dim and they don't really pop. Colors seem kind of lifeless and drab, almost like they're trying to make them look like modern MCU movies. I think the Episode I transfer looks the best of these new transfers. Might just take some getting used to for Episode IV-VI, but right now I prefer the 2011 transfers after comparing them. The 2011 Blu-ray's just look how they always have looked. The contrast and very warm color timing just feel off. Also, lossless audio absolutely spanks the DD+.. I'm watching these on a calibrated plasma too, for reference.

Mandalorian was pretty freaking sweet too!

[PeterTHX]

Originally Posted by Scottishguy

Now seeing that the prequels are only available in HDR10. This indicates to me it's more the case of just putting what they have available on the service for when Episode 9 hits. So these might not be the final releases. Fingers crossed.

All the films are Dolby Vision and HDR10 - depending on what device you're playing back on.

[Doctorossi]

Originally Posted by KMFDMvsEnya

it does coverup that crap Han dodge shot

… with a slightly subtler new crap Han dodge shot