Star Wars: The Complete Saga (1977-2005)

[Scottishguy]

Originally Posted by HD Goofnut

They top out at 400 nits. So, most HDR 10 displays should be good with that. Mine tops out around 500 nits.

SDR is 332 nits I believe.

[Geoff D]

The metadata on Phantom Menace is something like ~550 nits MaxCLL (highest moment of peak brightness) and ~300 nits MaxFALL (highest average frame brightness), so not particularly bright but that doesn't mean it hasn't got any extra range vs existing SDR versions. Something that people need to realise with Disnee is that they're not about eye-searing HDR.

[Class316]

YUK! and Maculky?

Han and Greedo: The Disney+ version of ‘Star Wars’ changes the scene yet again - YouTube

[Richard Graham]

Originally Posted by Scottishguy

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VGZm...ature=youtu.be

This explained HDR and nits better to me than anything I have ever read.

[Scottishguy]

Originally Posted by Geoff D

The metadata on Phantom Menace is something like ~550 nits MaxCLL (highest moment of peak brightness) and ~300 nits MaxFALL (highest average frame brightness), so not particularly bright but that doesn't mean it hasn't got any extra range vs existing SDR versions. Something that people need to realise with Disnee is that they're not about eye-searing HDR.

You mean the "Sony Light Cannon"?





I guess these sources from plus will be a win for those who use projectors.

[Class316]

I don't get it why is it so hard to just restore the Han/Greedo scene to how it was for 20 years between 1977 - 1997. All you have to do is nothing to fix it. There isn't a single Star Wars fan that wouldn't want it.

[Doctorossi]

Originally Posted by Class316

There isn't a single Star Wars fan that wouldn't want it.

Well, there is one…



… his name is George.

[CreasyBear]

Yep, the new transfers increase the brightness, but limit the dynamic range so much so as to render the image so freaking flat that it just never feels three dimensional in a way it should. This is Star Wars. Colors are supposed to pop. Blacks should be inky. Dynamic range should be high. These new transfers are garbage. I don't care if it's in 4K or not. An increase in resolution is a waste of time if everything else is botched. This is classic Disney making sure everything looks okay for a cheap LCD monitor in a hotel lobby and not the proper contrast and dynamic range that the film is inherently supposed to have.

I gave ANH a go on Disney Plus to watch the whole film while I'm doing a marathon with my significant other, who by the way has liked ROTS the most thus far, and of course Disney Plus crapped out about 80 minutes in and I put in the Blu-ray and we were both struck at how much better the picture quality was. And of course the audio was no contest.

[Gacivory]

Originally Posted by Doctorossi

Well, there is one…



… his name is George.

At this point though, would he consider himself a fan, or have the years of negative reactions to him made him hate Star Wars?

[Vader815]

So it seems as though the new OT color grade is supposedly sourced from the 97 scans and therefore should be more "accurate," yet there's eye-reports that may not be the case?

Has anyone done comparisons of the Disney+ versions to the supposedly more accurate 4K77 and 4K83 versions yet?

Personally, I'd love to watch the most accurate versions in the highest quality possible for my rewatch before Rise of Skywalker this December.

[dcowboy7]

Originally Posted by Doctorossi

Well, there is one…



… his name is George.

Finkelmann ??

[steel_breeze]

Originally Posted by Vader815

So it seems as though the new OT color grade is supposedly sourced from the 97 scans and therefore should be more "accurate," yet there's eye-reports that may not be the case?

Has anyone done comparisons of the Disney+ versions to the supposedly more accurate 4K77 and 4K83 versions yet?

Personally, I'd love to watch the most accurate versions in the highest quality possible for my rewatch before Rise of Skywalker this December.

"Accurate" to what? It all depends on what era you fell in love with these movies. The original theatrical release is pretty well reflected in these new 4K remasters. This is the color-grading old-school fans like myself were used to, until the poppy 'n' saturated prequels came along and caused them to JACK the colors and contrast on the 2004 DVDs and subsequent 2011 Blu-rays. Make no mistake, those eye-catching colors are a direct result of trying to match the prequels. A quick comparison to the early-90's laserdisc editions (which are available on those infamous 2006 4x3 letterboxed DVDs, and were the last editions to reflect the look of the original presentation) will show you that they've reverted to the original old-school look with these new transfers.

EDIT: Just noticed the middle bit of your comment, regarding 4K77 and 4K83. 4K77 is literally the only STAR WARS '77 that I watch. This new 4K transfer is MUCH more faithful to that "truly" original look.

[CreasyBear]

Originally Posted by steel_breeze

"Accurate" to what? It all depends on what era you fell in love with these movies. The original theatrical release is pretty well reflected in these new 4K remasters. This is the color-grading old-school fans like myself were used to, until the poppy 'n' saturated prequels came along and caused them to JACK the colors and contrast on the 2004 DVDs and subsequent 2011 Blu-rays. Make no mistake, those eye-catching colors are a direct result of trying to match the prequels. A quick comparison to the early-90's laserdisc editions (which are available on those infamous 2006 4x3 letterboxed DVDs, and were the last editions to reflect the look of the original presentation) will show you that they've reverted to the original old-school look with these new transfers.

The carbonite chamber has never looked the way it does on these new transfers. ESB is the one most harshly affected. I've seen these movies hundreds of times. I wore out the original and THX VHS tapes from and these look nothing like those versions. These new transfers have more in common with the look of Solo or Rogue One, than they do how they were intended. They look so washed out and flat, it's insulting.

[HD Goofnut]

Originally Posted by CreasyBear

The carbonite chamber has never looked the way it does on these new transfers. ESB is the one most harshly affected. I've seen these movies hundreds of times. I wore out the original and THX VHS tapes from and these look nothing like those versions. These new transfers have more in common with the look of Solo or Rogue One, than they do how they were intended. They look so washed out and flat, it's insulting.

From what I have seen they don't resemble the VHS tapes or LDs in terms of color at all.

[steel_breeze]

Originally Posted by CreasyBear

The carbonite chamber has never looked the way it does on these new transfers. ESB is the one most harshly affected. I've seen these movies hundreds of times. I wore out the original and THX VHS tapes from and these look nothing like those versions. These new transfers have more in common with the look of Solo or Rogue One, than they do how they were intended. They look so washed out and flat, it's insulting.

Hmm. I hear you. I honestly think there are too many variables these days, compared to the "shiny disc" days. Especially with the added complications of HDR. I have a top o' the line Oppo UHD player for my shiny discs, but when it comes to streaming, I simply plug my MacBook Pro into my receiver-then-projector via HDMI. I don't have anything in the chain that's turning it into 4K or even 24p (I do so little streaming!), and I certainly don't have anything that can "activate" the HDR while streaming. So my experience with these new 4K transfers -- with that lo-fi setup -- is that they look fantastic. But you get the same signal going into a different box that interprets the HDR differently, and I think we're all looking at different things.

The great news is: I believe the color is accurate. Once you've got that, it's suuuuper easy to jack up your own saturation, and even mess with the contrast/gamma.

[JawsTDS]

Originally Posted by CreasyBear

The carbonite chamber has never looked the way it does on these new transfers. ESB is the one most harshly affected. I've seen these movies hundreds of times. I wore out the original and THX VHS tapes from and these look nothing like those versions. These new transfers have more in common with the look of Solo or Rogue One, than they do how they were intended. They look so washed out and flat, it's insulting.

The VHS tapes were never accurate, especially not the pre-THX masters. I'm not saying these are accurate either, but they're much, much closer than we've ever been to the original look.

[Doctorossi]

Originally Posted by CreasyBear

I wore out the original and THX VHS tapes from and these look nothing like those versions.

Ah, yes- VHS, the pinnacle of theatrical verisimilitude.

[KMFDMvsEnya]

I have no idea what the OT is suppose to 'truly' look like and with all things SW the ideal representation is a moving target. Just go down the rabbit hole with the various sound mixes of ANH alone will cause one to approach madness.

I have watched the SDR "1080P" D+ streams of ANH and ESB and overall like and prefer the image in comparison to the odd choices done with 2011 Blu-rays but I would have appreciated a judicial degree more evocative colors and contrast. Not by a large margin but a little more would have been nice. -I hope to see some bits on a HDR C7 OLED sometime soonish.

Did a quick comparison between a couple of shots discussed by Mike Verta's video addressing some of the Reliance sizzle real captures and the D+ 1080P stream of ANH and the new transfers have had color correction and grading done to them, just not nearly as pronounced as many would prefer.

https://vimeo.com/123475322

Big question is when the 4K UHD BR are released will the current DNR present in the various streams be as acute on the less compressed format.

[Falaskan]

Lucasfilm has sat on these since before the sale. Disney gets to reap the profits but I imagine will release a set one day to blow this out of the water. I believe the OT could be reference.

[crystalpepsi]

I'm not that impressed with the new OT transfers. They're an improvement over the old HD versions (which are terrible), but it still has plenty of issues.

It has more detail than the 2004 remasters, which is always nice. However, as far as I can tell, it's been DNRed and edge enhanced. I don't think it's an issue with low-bitrate web streaming, since there are transfers on Disney+ that have nice grain.

The overall look is this weird desaturated and dull thing. I find that the colours vary a lot - in the original film, the Millennium Falcon scene with Luke training looks good, but then the Death Star interior stuff looks bad. The colours aren't theatrically accurate from what I can tell, although they're usually much closer than the old HD versions. You could argue that a Special Edition doesn't need to be theatrically accurate as long as it looks good, but the new look isn't very appealing.

I've heard that Disney+ is inconsistent, so I've tried playing it back on multiple displays/devices, but the look remains consistent (and other films on Disney+ look good) so it's likely something inherent to the master.