Star Wars: The Complete Saga (1977-2005)

[threefiftyrocket]

You know, I don't always have the same opinion as Beast a la the Terminator thread from awhile back (I think that was you Beast that I was having the discussion with, sorry I've drank since then )

But saying Beast is wrong for his preference is kinda like saying that someone is wrong because they prefer Burger King over McDonalds. Personal preference is an opinion, you can't say that someone is WRONG about that, only different than yourself.

[Beast]

Frankly Vader in ANH is glorified for the same reason that Boba Fett was in ESB.

He was a mysterious character with a cool look. Nothing more and nothing less.

Neither of them do anything of signifigance in their first film appearances. Yet people rave.

[ZoetMB]

Originally Posted by MCT

LOL @ ANYTHING being too expensive for George, like he's a broke ass pauper or something. Dude could rent the universe from god if it were possible. That's the worst excuse he could have offered up. Just be honest and say you're ashamed of the movies you made in the 70's and 80's for some odd reason (don't forget that TXH-1138 has been altered slightly, as well). I'd respect that a whole lot more than a bold faced lie like "a restoration is too expensive". GTFOOFWTBS!

It doesn't matter how much money Lucas has or even how much money Lucasfilm has in its coffers. What matters is what is the return on investment on producing Star Wars for Blu-ray. And since he probably couldn't charge any more if he included a restoration of the theatrical editions, it's very possible that including them kills the economics of the project. If 12 technicians work 90 days on each of the three films, that's 1080 person days. At just $100 an hour, including benefits, that adds $2.592 million to the cost, not including materials and equipment rentals and that assumes it's all being done in-house at Lucasfilm.

Add to that the fact that if there those other versions are included, there are tons of licensing and residual payments that have to be made to the actors, etc. Now we're talking somewhere between the $2.592 million above and probably around $5 million.

Now having said that, I don't think Lucas would re-release the original theatrical versions no matter what, but to state that Lucas is rich and therefore imply that standard business analysis need not apply is absurd.

People need to look at this with a little more maturity than a 12-year-old's limited perspective.

[Sylentwolf]

REMEMBER

You Can Criticize a Movie, To Any One Person,

But You Can Never Criticize a Person, About Any One Movie

[Uxi]

Originally Posted by Gandalf Stormcrow

I have to say, significance and emotional weight aside, Vader versus Obi-Wan is possibly the worst swordfight I've ever seen. Basically a cripple waving about while an old man pretends to fight him and then gives up when his friends run by. *yawn*

I prefer quadruple-amputee in a mobile-iron lung versus an oooooold man.

[Beast]

Originally Posted by Uxi

I prefer quadruple-amputee in a mobile-iron lung versus an oooooold man.

Yet his skills somehow greatly improve when it gets to ESB. Guess he got a refresher course.

[Uxi]

Originally Posted by MCT

LOL @ A New Hope being "boring" and the worst in the saga (wtf), but TPM is the best and most exciting. The introduction of Vader, the initial Star Destroyer attack, the Cantina brawl, the escape from Mos Eisley, Vader/Obi Wan, Luke and Han's defense of the Falcon after escaping the Death Star, the classic trench run, Han Solo's about-face at the very end...THAT'S boring to you? All that versus...pod racing. And a cool 5 minute sequence in the beginning. And the Theed invasion. YAWWWWWWN. Beast is weird.

ROFL, hilarious. Compare them apples to apples, not meatloaf to string theory

Intro of Vader/Rebel Massacre : Intro of Darth Sidious/Jedi Ambush
Star Destroyer Attack: Trade Federation Attack
Cantina Brawl: Queen's Rescue
Mos Eisley Escape: Mos Espa Encounter
Vader vs Obi-Wan Duel: Qui-Gon & Obi-Wan vs Maul Duel
Death Star Escape: Theed Escape
Trench Run: Control Ship attack
? : Pod Racing

[Gaius Marius]

ANH boring I've never thought it boring (actually the only Star Wars movie I find boring is AotC due to the tedious love story). I love the trench run (even though it is outdone by Jedi's DSII run - which is the best space battle in the saga ), the Death Star escape, Mos Eisley. It is an excellent movie.

But, then again, I like slower movies I love 2001 and Blade Runner

By the way, I also think that TPM is the best of the prequels. Good story, and the feel of the movie is most like the OT out of the prequels. Take away Jar Jar, and the movie would be on the same level as the OT. Hayden kills II and III for me. Well, II is just bad in general. RotS at least has some redeeming moments (Palpatine steals the movie).

[Beast]

I don't have a problem with slow movies. And I love Blade Runner as well. Not a huge fan of 2001.

Don't get me wrong though, I still love ANH. I just love the other films a lot more.

[Uxi]

Originally Posted by Beast

Eh. Like I said, I felt Harrison Ford's performance in ANH was kinda weak.

I'm sure he was doing some awesome carpenter work back then, though.

[supercutz]

Originally Posted by Beast

The battle inside the DSII in RotJ and the Naboo Starfighters vs. Droid Control Ship were better.

Wait, what? You are actually telling us that:

A) a small rebel fleet trying to destroy a massive, moon-sized space station before it blows up their planet, killing off the rebel alliance so the empire can rule the galaxy, all this while at the same time dog fighting against waves of tie fighters is --

weaker than:

B) a group of naboo fighters, one with a 10 yr old kid in the pilot seat, go up against a blockade that isn't strong enough to stop ships leaving/entering the planet and also falls victim to a "I wonder what this button does. Whoops, I blew up the control ship" scenario???

I can respect some of your opinions man but sometimes I think you just say things to stir sh!t up and get people's WTF reactions (which I guess worked for me so kudos).

[JTStarkiller]

Originally Posted by Beast

Frankly Vader in ANH is glorified for the same reason that Boba Fett was in ESB.

He was a mysterious character with a cool look. Nothing more and nothing less.

Neither of them do anything of signifigance in their first film appearances. Yet people rave.

Hmmm... I'm going to have to STRONGLY disagree with you on this one. But whatever.

[aiman04]

Originally Posted by bandit29

Even though I like the duel overall, that's when it goes downhill. The floating platforms on the lava was overkill.

The duel was directed by Steven Spielberg. And the whole floating platform thing was totally his idea.

[Jacobss]

After reading this discussion about kids loving the prequel trilogy and hating the original trilogy because of less action and "boring" story, I must add something from my perspective - you can call it kid perspective, because I was born in 1991 and I'm only 18 years old. Still I can't agree with people who said that young people hate OT and love the PT.

My story with Star Wars began in 1995 (I was only 4 years old) - my uncle brought me new released VHS box with 3 unaltered Star Wars movies. I loved them - especially Empire and Jedi. Then in 1997 Lucas released Special Edition - I had them also on VHS, but never really liked them because of fake computer generated effects and some pointless changes like seeing Wampa eating meat in the cave on Hoth. Anyway, when Lucas released TPM I saw it in theather and liked it very much - still I liked episodes V and VI more. The plot about Vader being Luke's Father I founded so emotional, that TPM even with better special effects was for me worse than OT. And remember that I was only 8 years old. Anyway when I saw AOTC 3 years later I was VERY dissapointed with direction Lucas has taken with PT. First he left to much plot points for episode 3, second the whole movie was boring, except for the battle on Geonosis at the end. 3 years later, after seeing ROTS in theather I hated it. It was too short and had weak story.

Why I am saying it? Because I wanted to tell some "adults" people, that they are young people who are more interested in story and not only in special effects with fake CGI overall. I am one of those star wars fans who really thinks that original, unaltered OT is better that anything what Lucas did after that. And If you don't lern your kids to be interested in story and what the film has to give us (I can't find a better word to describe it, but I hope you understand what I mean), then don't wonder that they are only interested in special effects. I'm 100% for releasing original unaltered OT on BD. Have enough of seeing this fake CGI overall.

Sorry for my english, but I'm from Germany.

[Duffy12]

Originally Posted by Beast

If that's what he decided to do, then so be it. It's his film to do with as he wish.

But the difference is, the Wampa costume was designed and shot... and then the footage was cut because of the craptastic end result of the Wampa costume. Same reason the other Wampa scenes were excised.

So it's simply restoring the scene to what it was originally intended to be.

Then It's a crying shame that you can STILL SEE the prop man's arm coming out of the Wampa glove when it reaches up to grab the Taun-Taun.


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[Chiyo_chichi]

Originally Posted by supercutz

Wait, what? You are actually telling us that:

A) a small rebel fleet trying to destroy a massive, moon-sized space station before it blows up their planet, killing off the rebel alliance so the empire can rule the galaxy, all this while at the same time dog fighting against waves of tie fighters is --

weaker than:

B) a group of naboo fighters, one with a 10 yr old kid in the pilot seat, go up against a blockade that isn't strong enough to stop ships leaving/entering the planet and also falls victim to a "I wonder what this button does. Whoops, I blew up the control ship" scenario???

I can respect some of your opinions man but sometimes I think you just say things to stir sh!t up and get people's WTF reactions (which I guess worked for me so kudos).

I agreed with many of his points, but this is the one that irked me. The droid control ship battle is pretty boring, not to mention pretty short. I didn't find it that exciting in the first place. Maybe because I didn't feel any tension.

In ANH they're running on a time limit. They not only have to destroy the DS, they have to do it quick, otherwise the alliance dies. But in TPM, if all of the Naboo fighters and Anakin get killed....so what? Padme and co. still capture the Viceroy. Gunray is a coward. He'll call off the droids until they sign a peace treaty. Especially if they threaten his life.

So the gungans get killed.......


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[Duffy12]

Originally Posted by SethRex

Who in their right mind would go up to Han all cheery after the death star attack and say out, in said cheery tone, "I knew there was more to you than money." To be fair it'd have made more sense if she said, "I knew you'd come back."

How about...


“I wasn't going to let you get all the credit and take all the reward."


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[Duffy12]

Originally Posted by Gaius Marius

The simple solution to all of this bickering: Include both versions of the OT with the set. I like most of the changes to the SE (I like the Wampa scene and the changes to Cloud City, for example), but some are horrible (Greedo shoots first) or unnecessary (redone music number in RotJ).

Plus, regarless of how you view the "workprints", they should be included for their historical significance alone. If this were just any movie, then I could live with it. However, Star Wars is just not "any movie". It is a cultural phenomenon, and important in the history of film. The original movies that made history should be included, and fully restored.

Why is George apparently the ONLY one who does not do this with his movies????

The original STAR WARS is in the 'Library of Congress' because of it's HUGE cultural significance.
If 'Daddy Warbucks' would just release these OTs that most of his first generation of fans have been pleading for, for 10 years now, then MOST of this BS would go away.


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[cinema sickness]

I'm totally in... But it will suck when I have to buy this set all over again in a few year when they finally release the non "special edition" versions. I did it with the DVDs and now it will be the same all over again with the Blus. Damn money hungry Lucas!

[Duffy12]

Originally Posted by Beast

You guys have VHS, Laserdisc, and DVD copies of those cuts to enjoy.

Do you even realize what website you are posting on?


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