Star Wars: The Complete Saga (1977-2005)

[Dynamo of Eternia]

Originally Posted by Kyo28

It doesn't state so overtly but it's implied:

That leads me to believe we'll have a regular 2D Blu-ray version and later down the line a 3D version.

That's still a very far stretch from saying that the movies ARE being released in 3D on Blu-Ray, as you stated in your original post on the matter.

I'm also not denying that a 3D Blu-Ray release is likely DOWN THE ROAD, but your post was very misleading, making it sound like a 3D Blu-Ray release is actually, specifically in the works right now, as if it is something that would be released in the relatively near future.

Heck, your post made it sound like a 3D Blu-Ray release was the main point of the article, with the theatrical release being more of an "oh, by the way" footnote, when in reality the article is ONLY about the the theatrical releases, with the 3D Blu-Ray release being something that you had to infer in a '6-degrees-of-Kevin-Bacon' manner.

[Jimmy Smith]

Originally Posted by Dynamo of Eternia

That's still a very far stretch from saying that the movies ARE being released in 3D on Blu-Ray, as you stated in your original post on the matter.

I'm also not denying that a 3D Blu-Ray release is likely DOWN THE ROAD, but your post was very misleading, making it sound like a 3D Blu-Ray release is actually, specifically in the works right now, as if it is something that would be released in the relatively near future.

At best only one of the movies will be 3D ready by Fall 2011. The fall 2011 release is 100% certainly 2D only with a 3D release years later.

[Beast]

Originally Posted by Gandalf Stormcrow

He should care what the fans want and as the person who stands to gain/lose the most, he should take that into consideration before releasing these movies onto blu-ray or into theatres.

But in the end, people will shout and stamp their feet and buy what is released regardless.

And most people, other than those who obsessively complain about it online, will be happy.

And those who arn't happy, were never going to be happy no matter what was released.

[Beast]

Originally Posted by ChadFL

Absolutely I would want to make money. Which is why if they were my films I'd transfer BOTH the original cut and the special edition to Blu-Ray. The process is time consuming and costly but I have a very hard time believing the original cuts wouldn't make a good deal of money on Blu-Ray, and even DVD too since I don't believe they ere transferred to DVF either. Believe it or not giving the fans what they want CAN actually be profitable.

But at the violation of his artistic standards.

Which Lucas isn't about to do for anyone, especially some complaining fanboys.

By the way, if you weren't aware... the DVD release with the original cuts sold rather poorly.

So much so that a planned re-release to coincide with the DVD/BLU release of the Clone Wars movie was cancelled.

Clearly the majority didn't care what version of the films they had, just as long as they finally had them.

We should all be thankful that the BLUs of the Saga are even coming this soon. Look at how long DVD took.

[Jimmy Smith]

Originally Posted by Beast

But at the violation of his artistic standards.

Which Lucas isn't about to do for anyone, especially some complaining fanboys.

By the way, if you weren't aware... the DVD release with the original cuts sold rather poorly.

So much so that a planned re-release to coincide with the DVD/BLU release of the Clone Wars movie was cancelled.

Clearly the majority didn't care what version of the films they had, just as long as they finally had them.

We should all be thankful that the BLUs of the Saga are even coming this soon. Look at how long DVD took.

Maybe because they were non-anamorphic laserdisc ports attached to discs that everyone already bought. Could that be the reason they sold poorly

OF COURSE IT IS

[Beast]

Originally Posted by Jimmy Smith

Maybe because they were non-anamorphic laserdisc ports attached to discs that everyone already bought. Could that be the reason they sold poorly

OF COURSE IT IS

It didn't seem to bother people that bought bootleg DVDs from the LD encodes for years.

[Dynamo of Eternia]

Originally Posted by Beast

But at the violation of his artistic standards.

With all the selling out that Lucas has done, I don't exactly think his "artistic standards" are all that high.

Which Lucas isn't about to do for anyone, especially some complaining fanboys.

By the way, if you weren't aware... the DVD release with the original cuts sold rather poorly.

So much so that a planned re-release to coincide with the DVD/BLU release of the Clone Wars movie was cancelled.

What does a reissue of Clone Wars (which is put out by WB, not Fox like the live action films) have to do with how the original version of the Trilogy sold? I don't really see why there would be any connection there.

As far as how those versions sold, the problem existed on several levels. The Trilogy already had essentially 2 DVD releases already prior to the original versions being released (the original release in 2004, with the 3 movies and the bonus disc... and then another release in 2005 at a lower price without the bonus disc, in a different slip-box). Many people already bought them on DVD, and the general public doesn't typically "double dip". Plus buying all 3 of the individual releases with the original versions in them was a lot more expensive than buying that 2005 box set release, which was still available on the shelves side-by-side with the 2006 release.... many average buyers who didn't already own the previous sets probably didn't realize what the difference was between the box set and individual releases, and went for the most cost-effective choice.

So while many people in the 'general public' likely would have wanted the original versions, they likely weren't willing to buy the same thing again (since the "main" discs in the set were the same ones they already had). Not to mention that there wasn't really any kind of major advertising campaign (that I recall anyway) for those individual releases like there was for the initial 2004 DVD release. People who already bought them on DVD likely didn't even know that there was a newer release with the original versions. And since most of them already had the 2004 or 2005 box set releases, they weren't exactly going to go looking for the Star Wars movies in the stores.

Then for die-hard original version OT fans, and movie enthusiasts in general, the releases of the original versions on that DVD release was sub-par since it was just taken from old laser disc masters, wasn't anamorphic, etc. While some people did buy them and 'settle' for them, there are likely many others who just skipped it, feeling it wasn't worth it.

So, the reasons for the weak sales of that release are likely far different than you are implying them to be. It's not necessarily because people "don't care" (granted, I'm sure there are some that don't), it's more that many people didn't even realize that the new releases existed, let alone what was different about it.... and not because they just didn't "care" which version they had.

Originally Posted by Beast

It didn't seem to bother people that bought bootleg DVDs from the LD encodes for years.

That's because it was the only option available to them at the time. They were trying to preserve it as best they ccould. People aren't going to expect the same level of quality from a bootleg that they would the official, actual product.

Plus people who already had bootleg DVDs transferred from the laser discs had little reason to buy the 2006 release, since they would be little to no improvement in quality. If the official release is only going to offer bootleg-level quality, then there is little incentive for people to buy them.

[RedZeppelin]

I'm still recovering from the prequels so it has been a long time since I watched any of the SW films. I recently got my hands on an anamorphic copy of the original 1977 theatrical version of SW. Watching it brought tears of joy to my eyes. For the first time in over 25 years I was able to watch Star Wars without wincing. I felt like a kid again, getting completely swept away in the adventure.

No cringing during the Mos Eisley and Cantina scenes. No look of disbelief as Han is artificially jerked in the air with all the subtlety of someone using Microsoft Movie Maker as he walks around Jabba in the docking bay. It was glorious. It brought back my love for SW and made me want to dig out my old Topps SW cards from '77 and look through them again.

No Blu-ray transfer of the special editions could ever do that, no matter how good the AV quality is.

If, as some here have said, Lucas doesn't care about fans like me, then so be it. That's his right. He won't miss my money, and I won't miss the BD editions of the new movies (Although when he finally releases them individually in the Super Special Extra Mondo Limited "Use the Force" editions I'll probably spring for Empire since he didn't change that one as drastically).

I finally got what I wanted and I couldn't be happier.

[cboy007]

Originally Posted by Beast

But at the violation of his artistic standards.

Which Lucas isn't about to do for anyone, especially some complaining fanboys.

By the way, if you weren't aware... the DVD release with the original cuts sold rather poorly.

So much so that a planned re-release to coincide with the DVD/BLU release of the Clone Wars movie was cancelled.

Clearly the majority didn't care what version of the films they had, just as long as they finally had them.

We should all be thankful that the BLUs of the Saga are even coming this soon. Look at how long DVD took.

They didn't sell because they were not remastered. They were sourced from a 1993 laserdisc master. It was half-assed and that's why a lot of people did not bother buying it.

[cboy007]

Lucas is such a wonderfull director. The movie needs a lot more changes. Maybe he can CGI Howard the Duck into the cantina scene.

[Beast]

Originally Posted by cboy007

Lucas is such a wonderfull director. The movie needs a lot more changes. Maybe he can CGI Howard the Duck into the cantina scene.

That doesn't even make sense. Howard the Duck isn't his character.

And you'll note which film has the most number of tweaks, the original Star Wars.

The one that suffered from the most problems and was frankly subpar to all of the later films.

[RedZeppelin]

Originally Posted by Beast

That doesn't even make sense. Howard the Duck isn't his character.

And you'll note which film has the most number of tweaks, the original Star Wars.

The one that suffered from the most problems and was frankly subpar to all of the later films.

I swear, I honestly can't tell if you're a really good troll or if you actually believe what you're saying. It's like someone saying that Justin Beiber is better than the Beatles. It's so completely wrong that you laugh at first, but then a hint of doubt creeps in and you think "Well, I suppose someone who doesn't know better could actually think that," and then you feel bad for laughing.

Either way you crack me up, so bless your heart.

[Weirded Wonder]

Originally Posted by Beast

Who cares what fans want? The only person he's obligated to please is himself, as the artist.

Again, there's no logical reason other than fanboy desire for those inferior versions to be re-released.

Little kids want a toy everytime they go to the store, doesn't mean they should get it.

If he has no care in regards to what the fans want, why release it to the public? Why not keep it in his own home.

Oh wait, he wants our money.

[Weirded Wonder]

Originally Posted by Beast

That doesn't even make sense. Howard the Duck isn't his character.

And you'll note which film has the most number of tweaks, the original Star Wars.

The one that suffered from the most problems and was frankly subpar to all of the later films.

You're so right about everything. We all grew up loving the original unaltered Star Wars films because they were like Godzilla films from the late 60s and 70s, the creatures looked funny, the dialogue didn't match the action, and Greedo shot first. It was no wonder he fixed everything to perfection in 1997 and then again in 2004 and again in 2011 and again in...

[Weirded Wonder]

Originally Posted by cboy007

Lucas is such a wonderfull director. The movie needs a lot more changes. Maybe he can CGI Howard the Duck into the cantina scene.

What about Willow, or THX, or Toad?

[RedZeppelin]

Originally Posted by cboy007

Lucas is such a wonderfull director. The movie needs a lot more changes. Maybe he can CGI Howard the Duck into the cantina scene.

You obviously missed the re-re-release of the DVD.



In that edition not only is there a Howard sighting but Han doesn't shoot at all! Greedo shoots and misses, then Han addresses a strongly worded letter to the Bounty Hunters Association complaining about his mistreatment. Much better for kids that way.

[Jimmy Smith]

Originally Posted by Beast

It didn't seem to bother people that bought bootleg DVDs from the LD encodes for years.

Which is the point right there. Many of the better fan created laserdisc ported bootlegs looked absolutely no better then the official Lucasfilm releases of the original versions. Lucasfilm put absolutely no effort into the release of the original versions and that was obvious to everyone. So citing the poor sales as evidence people don't want the original versions is short sited to say the least. If Lucas had remastered them with even the basic DVD standards they are garenteed to have sold much better.

Even if Lucasfilm isn't willing to remaster the original versions in high definition I see absolutely no reason that at least the laserdisc versions from the 2006 release can't be ported over to the Blu-Ray as an extra. If he can't even do this then Lucas is doing nothing but cheating his fans.

Frankly the 2006 release spaked of "here I released them now leave me alone"

[Bluyoda]

Originally Posted by ChadFL

Absolutely I would want to make money. Which is why if they were my films I'd transfer BOTH the original cut and the special edition to Blu-Ray. The process is time consuming and costly but I have a very hard time believing the original cuts wouldn't make a good deal of money on Blu-Ray, and even DVD too since I don't believe they ere transferred to DVF either. Believe it or not giving the fans what they want CAN actually be profitable.

Well, maybe you have been in a cave for some decades or something, but Lucas isn't interested in releasing his OT, since he was never happy with the way they looked, and only wants his revisited versions to be around.
I don't blame him, for I'd have done the same.

Other than for pure nostalgic reasons there is no point in having those relics still on BD. VHS will do, or that LD transfer.

Originally Posted by RedZeppelin

I'm still recovering from the prequels so it has been a long time since I watched any of the SW films. I recently got my hands on an anamorphic copy of the original 1977 theatrical version of SW. Watching it brought tears of joy to my eyes. For the first time in over 25 years I was able to watch Star Wars without wincing. I felt like a kid again, getting completely swept away in the adventure.

No cringing during the Mos Eisley and Cantina scenes. No look of disbelief as Han is artificially jerked in the air with all the subtlety of someone using Microsoft Movie Maker as he walks around Jabba in the docking bay. It was glorious. It brought back my love for SW and made me want to dig out my old Topps SW cards from '77 and look through them again.

No Blu-ray transfer of the special editions could ever do that, no matter how good the AV quality is.

If, as some here have said, Lucas doesn't care about fans like me, then so be it. That's his right. He won't miss my money, and I won't miss the BD editions of the new movies (Although when he finally releases them individually in the Super Special Extra Mondo Limited "Use the Force" editions I'll probably spring for Empire since he didn't change that one as drastically).

I finally got what I wanted and I couldn't be happier.

Well, glad you are happy now.

Originally Posted by RedZeppelin

You obviously missed the re-re-release of the DVD.



In that edition not only is there a Howard sighting but Han doesn't shoot at all! Greedo shoots and misses, then Han addresses a strongly worded letter to the Bounty Hunters Association complaining about his mistreatment. Much better for kids that way.

Wow! That must have taken you forever!!

You should send this to ILM, I am dead sure you'd get a position as VFX supervisor right away!

Impressive! Most impressive!

[al cos.]

Originally Posted by Beast

We should all be thankful that the BLUs of the Saga are even coming this soon.

Yes, let us give thanks. Ah, the privilege. And let us also give thanks for the creepy devoted fans and the entertainment they bring.

[STARKILLER--1138]

Originally Posted by Bluyoda

Well, maybe you have been in a cave for some decades or something, but Lucas isn't interested in releasing his OT, since he was never happy with the way they looked, and only wants his revisited versions to be around.
I don't blame him, for I'd have done the same.

Other than for pure nostalgic reasons there is no point in having those relics still on BD. VHS will do, or that LD transfer.

Agreed! Not having them on BD hasn't diminished my enjoyment of the OOT on LD. Speaking of which, I watched the OOT on LD last weekend, and I can totally understand why he wanted to make changes and updates on the FX to match the quality of the PT's. I welcome the changes, and greatly look foward to see what future releases bring.