Star Wars: The Complete Saga (1977-2005)

[Jimmy Smith]

Originally Posted by P@t_Mtl

I said it before, Han and Greedo is the only scene I do agree should not have been change. I think changing this scene modify Han's character too much from what he really should be. I understand why he made the changes, he got kids and he sort of wanted to change the message that it's not right to shoot first but let's face it, Han is what he is and at that moment he would have shot first. Years later he would have change yes because of his releation with Leia but in that scene, no he would have had no problem wasting Greedo The main difference with me and a lot of other people, while I disagre with the change, I am not loosing sleep over it and opening Facebook pages about how Lucas raped my childhood.

I absolutely hate attempts to Politically Correctify older movies. As such I hated hated Greedo shooting first. First of all the idea of Han dodging a lightspeed bolt aimed right at his head isn't baddass it makes him into a superhero like The Flash. It ruined the scene plain and simple.

I also hated adding Hayden into Return of the Jedi. It just ain't right to have his creepy stare replace Sebastian Shaws smile. This one bothed me alot less then the Greedo change.

Other then those 2 I actually liked the majority of the changes made to the movies but believe Lucas should port over the original versions in some form for historical purposes.

[P@t_Mtl]

Originally Posted by Jimmy Smith

I absolutely hate attempts to Politically Correctify older movies. As such I hated hated Greedo shooting first. First of all the idea of Han dodging a lightspeed bolt aimed right at his head isn't baddass it makes him into a superhero like The Flash. It ruined the scene plain and simple.

I also hated adding Hayden into Return of the Jedi. It just ain't right to have his creepy stare replace Sebastian Shaws smile. This one bothed me alot less then the Greedo change.

Other then those 2 I actually liked the majority of the changes made to the movies but believe Lucas should port over the original versions in some form for historical purposes.

I did not mind the change for Return with Hayden being added in. The way I look at it, it just make's more sense and it's logical but it sort of depend how you see Anakin and his Force ghost. I see it that when he died his Force ghost would be made out of what he was as a Jedi. Since he never was a 40 something Jedi (that Anakin never truly existed at all) so for me it does made sense to have Hayden in Return.

Han for me is truly the worst change cause it really alter the charater of what Han truly is at that moment. So what I do everytime I watch my DVD, I just tell myself that Han shot first.

[rexcrk]

Actually the way I look at the Han/Greedo thing makes it seem not so bad (at least to me, anyway).

I figure, Han's gonna shoot anyway, and Greedo just happens to shoot too. I never looked at it like "Han shot because Greedo shot" (but then again, that's how I looked at it for years for the 97 Special Editions so that could be why)

[P@t_Mtl]

Originally Posted by rexcrk

Actually the way I look at the Han/Greedo thing makes it seem not so bad (at least to me, anyway).

I figure, Han's gonna shoot anyway, and Greedo just happens to shoot too. I never looked at it like "Han shot because Greedo shot" (but then again, that's how I looked at it for years for the 97 Special Editions so that could be why)

The way it was originally, it's clearly Han shooting from under the table. There was no doubt Han just fried Greedo It sort of setup the character of Han. It would tell you the guy is someone who will survive. It then make the changes he as because of his releation with Leia later on more meaningful. The way the scene now take's place alter his character too much and make the changes that occur later not having the same impact they had at first. ALlo the scene now make's Greedo into the worst bounty hunter in the history of the galaxy, I mean come on how can you miss from that close?

[Beast]

Originally Posted by P@t_Mtl

The way it was originally, it's clearly Han shooting from under the table. There was no doubt Han just fried Greedo It sort of setup the character of Han. It would tell you the guy is someone who will survive. It then make the changes he as because of his releation with Leia later on more meaningful. The way the scene now take's place alter his character too much and make the changes that occur later not having the same impact they had at first. ALlo the scene now make's Greedo into the worst bounty hunter in the history of the galaxy, I mean come on how can you miss from that close?

Greedo has always been the worst Bounty Hunter in the Galaxy. So there's no real change.

I blame the fly eyes and the fact his fingers just don't work for firing a blaster.

[STARKILLER--1138]

Originally Posted by Beast

Greedo has always been the worst Bounty Hunter in the Galaxy.

Ain't that the truth! He's a punk, really! The last Clone Wars episode showed that too...lol!

[Jimmy Smith]

Originally Posted by Beast

Greedo has always been the worst Bounty Hunter in the Galaxy. So there's no real change.

I blame the fly eyes and the fact his fingers just don't work for firing a blaster.

Hed have to be blind to miss someone sitting 2 feet in front of you. I know people who need glasses who even without could make that shot.

Lets face it Greedo Shooting First was a terrible change for so many reasons.

[Monolithium]

Originally Posted by Jimmy Smith

Lets face it Greedo Shooting First was a terrible change for so many reasons.

Also it was something Lucas could have shot back in 1976.

[goresnet]

Originally Posted by P@t_Mtl

I said it before, Han and Greedo is the only scene I do agree should not have been change. I think changing this scene modify Han's character too much from what he really should be. I understand why he made the changes, he got kids and he sort of wanted to change the message that it's not right to shoot first but let's face it, Han is what he is and at that moment he would have shot first. Years later he would have change yes because of his releation with Leia but in that scene, no he would have had no problem wasting Greedo The main difference with me and a lot of other people, while I disagre with the change, I am not loosing sleep over it and opening Facebook pages about how Lucas raped my childhood.

I, like millions of people the world over, was a kid when I first saw this. I don't think I'd shoot first.

[P@t_Mtl]

Originally Posted by goresnet

I, like millions of people the world over, was a kid when I first saw this. I don't think I'd shoot first.

You see the world and things the way you want to, Lucas see it differently, he is allowed too. He wanted to remove from his movie a scene he was no longer comfortable with. There is no wrong or right on this one, it was something he wanted to do.

Does it alter some of the things going on in the movie? Yes it does.

Does it mean he can't make no change? No, it's his movie.

Are you allowed to disagre with the change? Yes you are, all of us are.

Does it change anything? Nope it still his choice.

[STARKILLER--1138]

Originally Posted by P@t_Mtl

You see the world and things the way you want to, Lucas see it differently, he is allowed too. He wanted to remove from his movie a scene he was no longer comfortable with. There is no wrong or right on this one, it was something he wanted to do.

Does it alter some of the things going on in the movie? Yes it does.

Does it mean he can't make no change? No, it's his movie.

Are you allowed to disagre with the change? Yes you are, all of us are.

Does it change anything? Nope it still his choice.

[Jimmy Smith]

Originally Posted by Monolithium

Also it was something Lucas could have shot back in 1976.

Exactly. Most of the changes were things that could have been chalked up to money or technology constraits. However Greedo Shooting first cannot. Anyone who really believes the scene was always meant to be that way is a horribly deluted soul.

[Duffy12]

The real strange thing about that Greedo gundown now, is that George decided to keep it in the DVD versions after adding the Jabba scene which provides the same information anyway.

So maybe in the upcoming BD set he will go ahead and remove it all together now.

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[Beast]

It doesn't really provide the same information. The info from the Greedo scene is expanded.

[Dynamo of Eternia]

Originally Posted by Beast

It doesn't really provide the same information. The info from the Greedo scene is expanded.

It is expanded, but the information from the Greedo scene is basically repeated in a completely redundant manner. A good portion of Han's dialog in the Jabba scene is almost word-for-word what he had just said in the Greedo scene. It would make more sense leaving the Greedo scene in there if some important information was provided in that scene that was not repeated in the Jabba scene, but it really doesn't.

[AintNoSin]

Originally Posted by P@t_Mtl

I said it before, Han and Greedo is the only scene I do agree should not have been change. I think changing this scene modify Han's character too much from what he really should be.

I believe that, had that scene been left alone, the fan reaction to the special editions would be have been much quieter. Put that one scene back the way it was, and there would be less complaining.

[Beast]

Originally Posted by AintNoSin

I believe that, had that scene been left alone, the fan reaction to the special editions would be have been much quieter. Put that one scene back the way it was, and there would be less complaining.

Clearly you don't know fans. I have seen the most assinine little nitpicks treated like it was the end of days.

[P@t_Mtl]

Originally Posted by Beast

Clearly you don't know fans. I have seen the most assinine little nitpicks treated like it was the end of days.

While I would say that the original comment about Greedo/Han scene being part of a lot of the problem for the special edition I have to agree with you Beast, at this point no matter what he does they will not be happy.

Up to the late 90's Lucas & Spielberg were the golden boys for everyone but slowly things changes. I wonder sometimes if the fact that they both turn into their 60's during this time as something to do with it. Meaning how they now see thing different and make choices that may not always appeal to the 20-40 crowd? They both have been replace by Cameron as the new "enfant cherie" who cannot do any wrong in what he does. I wonder how long that will last for Cameron, specialy since he as a much less likeable personality compare to Lucas & Spielberg.

[ozzsoad]

Originally Posted by P@t_Mtl

...Up to the late 90's Lucas & Spielberg were the golden boys for everyone but slowly things changes. I wonder sometimes if the fact that they both turn into their 60's during this time as something to do with it. Meaning how they now see thing different and make choices that may not always appeal to the 20-40 crowd? They both have been replace by Cameron as the new "enfant cherie" who cannot do any wrong in what he does. I wonder how long that will last for Cameron, specialy since he as a much less likeable personality compare to Lucas & Spielberg.

Even James Cameron is getting the hate as of lately, especially after Avatar. I personaly don't understand it. I've come across "James Cameron RIP (1984-1994)" posts before. Pathetic really.

Don't forget Ridley Scott and Peter Jackson getting the same kind of reaction (though I kind of agree with Peter Jackson, personally).

Simply put, you can't please everyone. Me, I just want Star Wars on Blu-ray, in whatever way George Lucas wants to release it.

[Phantom Zone]

Originally Posted by ozzsoad

Simply put, you can't please everyone. Me, I just want Star Wars on Blu-ray, in whatever way George Lucas wants to release it.

sense! Totally agree