Star Wars: The Complete Saga (1977-2005)

[Uxi]

Originally Posted by goldenrod

Except taht you can't have the same plot for AOTC. I don't see Windu saying to Padmé that Maul can't be behind his assassination attempt because he was once a Jedi, he can't harm anyone.....

Not really any different from Mace (or Padme) not suspecting it was the "other" Sith Lord that they knew would have existed 10 years earlier (at the end of TPM). I imagine Maul would be more clandestine and perhaps the figurehead of Dooku could still be used as the public face of the Confederacy... I doubt it would be Maul, that's for sure.

For me the biggest problem with Maul was all the Promo around TPM. He was on every packaging, and even in the trailers was saw what he was like and and that he wielded a double-bladed lightsaber. The expcetations were that he would had a big role, and he hadn't.

Right... which is why many of us thought he would be the Prequel version of Vader. He was just as effective in TPM as Vader was in ANH... he just didn't get to make it to the sequels.

[MCT]

Originally Posted by Beast

Besides, the whole point of Maul was that Palpatine isn't a very good teacher. Hence moving on to turning establshed Jedis.

no, the whole point of Maul was to move the story along to the climax. You mean to tell me Palpatine, the man who conquered the galaxy and created an empire of oppression, couldn't teach one Sith how to kill and harness his anger? I've heard a lot of poor excuses for how Maul was handled, but this is probably the worst one yet. You can and must do better.

[gettodamoofies]

Originally Posted by Duffy12

That is fantastic!

Super sharp, and no black >>>CRUSH<<<.


Thanks for posting that.

Agreed, it does look good - particularly the impressive detail level. Having said that, I personally think it looks a little washed out. As with most things in life I think a middle ground between the two would be good as that should eliminate crushed blacks but not have the "flat" appearance that the 1080 broadcast screenshots have.

As an example I quickly composited the two of Solo. This is just a basic 50/50 blend of the two. The top image is the DVD, middle is the 1080 broadcast and bottom is my blend of the two:



I think it looks quite natural. Just my opinion, but I personally would have absolutely no issues if the Blu-ray releases featured an image like that.

Credit to Paulie's World for the original screenshots.

[Beast]

Originally Posted by MCT

no, the whole point of Maul was to move the story along to the climax. You mean to tell me Palpatine, the man who conquered the galaxy and created an empire of oppression, couldn't teach one Sith how to kill and harness his anger? I've heard a lot of poor excuses for how Maul was handled, but this is probably the worst one yet. You can and must do better.

Go listen to the audio commentary of Phantom Menace. Palpatine's failings as a teacher is mentioned.

That's why he had much greater success corrupting and turning already trained Jedis.

He was strong in the arts of manipulation, but too protective of Sith Secrets to share them.

Since he knows very well that once your Apprentice surpasses you, they're looking to kill you.

Since that is what Darth Sidious did to his own master, Darth Plagueis The Wise.

[nathan_393]

Originally Posted by Duffy12

That is fantastic!

More detail, and no black >>>CRUSH<<<.

It gives me some hope.

Thanks for posting that.

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I hope they look better than the images linked there, but that's just me.

[beanham22]

Originally Posted by Beast

Exactly. He's as lame as Darth Maul. And much like with Maul, the fans have obsessed on style over substance.

And much like with Boba Fett, they both die like punks and fall into a big hole. Must be one of Lucas' repeating theme elements.

No offence man, but how much substance is in Star Wars Period? Regarding characters at least.

Maul was concieved to be a cool/ badass character nothing more... nothing less...

Also, concerning Boba Fett, he was also created to be a badass character. The things that Boba and Maul have in common is that they have little screen time. This is what makes both characters memorable. They are in for such a little amount of time but they leave such an impression on most viewers. Both characters are interesting because of this. We don't really know who these characters are and what drove them to being what they are, thus the obsession some fans have.

BLUYODA: Jango Fett's death was caused the same way as Boba's (in the movies atleast, every Star Wars Fan knows Boba escaped the Sarlacc Pit, it is CANON), his JET-PAC malfuntioned. But yeah, Jango was a good character. He is one of my favourite things about AotC, however he is not as interesting as his son Boba because lucas gave him a face which is something we can identify with. In the OT with Boba he was Alien and mysterious, much like Maul we don't identify with him.

Having said this, Jango was portrayed the way he needed to be for the story to move along. Also Boba and Maul were portrayed the way they were needed to not get in the way of the actual story. If we knew to much about Maul; A) the screen time taken would most likely take away from the story in TPM (it was already loaded with stuff) which I for one liked a lot (I like the stories in all of the prequels unlike a lot of people). B)Like an earlier poster mentioned with the Shark in Jaws, we wouldn't react the same way with these characters if we spent too much time with them. They would be exposed as what your complaints are that they are empty characters.

[Beast]

Originally Posted by beanham22

BLUYODA: Jango Fett's death was caused the same way as Boba's (in the movies atleast, every Star Wars Fan knows Boba escaped the Sarlacc Pit, it is CANON), his JET-PAC malfuntioned.

Actually, there are different levels of canon. And the only thing written in stone as official canon is the films.

The books fall into the second level of canon. They are expanded Universe, but can be thrown out if the movies state otherwise.

George Lucas himself considers Boba Fett to have died in the Sarlaac Pit. So I take his intention over the EU.

[nathan_393]

Originally Posted by Beast

Actually, there are different levels of canon. And the only thing written in stone as official canon is the films.

The books fall into the second level of canon. They are expanded Universe, but can be thrown out if the movies state otherwise.

George Lucas himself considers Boba Fett to have died in the Sarlaac Pit. So I take his intention over the EU.

I would say keeping Fett alive in the EU is one of the reason's I don't bother with the "fan novels", as I call them: they're simply cash cows and they will resurrect fan favourite characters just to get more readers. It bothers me.

I agree with Beast on this one; if Lucas says Fett is dead, he's dead.

[Andrewtst]

Yeah! Just pre-order at Amazon - Star Wars - The Complete Saga.

[beanham22]

Originally Posted by Beast

Actually, there are different levels of canon. And the only thing written in stone as official canon is the films.

The books fall into the second level of canon. They are expanded Universe, but can be thrown out if the movies state otherwise.

George Lucas himself considers Boba Fett to have died in the Sarlaac Pit. So I take his intention over the EU.

I agree, I only pay attention to the Movies as well. But among fans that is what is canon.

Also, way to completely disregard the rest of my entire post.

[supersix4]

Originally Posted by Beast

George Lucas himself considers Boba Fett to have died in the Sarlaac Pit. So I take his intention over the EU.

Stupid George killing off cool looking characters ... He should just do what he had the game developers do in force unleashed 2 make a clone and start over

[Pondosinatra]

Originally Posted by Duffy12

That is fantastic!

More detail, and no black >>>CRUSH<<<.

It gives me some hope.

Thanks for posting that.

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Well based on that I like the DVDs better. Blacks looked much better.

[Beast]

Originally Posted by nathan_393

I would say keeping Fett alive in the EU is one of the reason's I don't bother with the "fan novels", as I call them: they're simply cash cows and they will resurrect fan favourite characters just to get more readers. It bothers me.

I agree with Beast on this one; if Lucas says Fett is dead, he's dead.

Killing Chewbacca by having a moon smash into him is another of the idiotic aspects of the EU stuff. Feh on all of it.

The only really good EU stuff is the Thrawn Trilogy. And even that one isn't exactly the best thing ever.

I will probably snag the Darth Plagueis novel in 2012 though, just to see how they present Palpy's early years.

[Duffy12]

Originally Posted by atexp80

Agreed, it does look good - particularly the impressive detail level. Having said that, I personally think it looks a little washed out. As with most things in life I think a middle ground between the two would be good as that should eliminate crushed blacks but not have the "flat" appearance that the 1080 broadcast screenshots have.

As an example I quickly composited the two of Solo. This is just a basic 50/50 blend of the two. The top image is the DVD, middle is the 1080 broadcast and bottom is my blend of the two:



I think it looks quite natural. Just my opinion, but I personally would have absolutely no issues if the Blu-ray releases featured an image like that.

Credit to Paulie's World for the original screenshots.

Yea, I like that middle ground there, a combination of the two.





Also, this following site addresses some of these picture and sound issues from those DVDs.


http://savestarwars.com/specialeditionfail.html





Take a look at how much detail was lost in this following pic-








And like you mentioned, a happy medium between these examples would be GREAT.



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[Dubstar]

soooo... uh? is there another future date when Lucas/Fox will actually detail/reveal ALL the extras, audio specs, if the unaltered OT will be included (speculative rumour at this point)

??

[kenkraly2004]

Originally Posted by Dubstar

soooo... uh? is there another future date when Lucas/Fox will actually detail/reveal ALL the extras, audio specs, if the unaltered OT will be included (speculative rumour at this point)

??

Either april or may or june or july no one knows at this point.

[poke smot]

this is gonna be sick

[goresnet]

Originally Posted by Beta Man

I'm not sure what you're talking about (and it's nothing personal, I just can't follow the conversation too well, because it's too deep into details, and I'm not familiar enough with the films to follow it, despite seeing the originals about 10 times each)

But.....

I think in terms of restoration, or whatever processes/version/etc.. be used, The market for the films in any form is there.... so "cost" probably has virtually nothing to do with what they do/don't do for the set......

The obviously won't use solid gold cases, but any extras etc. that aren't included, will be excluded because they don't feel they are important.... not because it would be too costly to make it a "10" disc set, for instance.....

I just think "cost" is a non-factor with these.... and the fact that street-price is already so low (heck, $15 each for the OT???!!!!) is amazing....

If they put out JUST ONE of the trilogies initially (for instance) without the extras etc.... with a "planned" roll-out for more editions etc... (think LOTR and theatrical/EE etc) People would still pay $60 for the trilogy and say "heck, I want the other/better/etc.... but it still comes down to $20 a movie, which isn't that bad"

I'd buy the OT for $60, and I'm not a die-hard fan

cost, referring to GL saying restoring the 3 OOT would be too expensive. I personally don't agree with that, as most of the work will have already been done for the SE's.

[NYorker]

I remember I saw the first Thrawn book years ago and didn't pay attention to it. Then I picked it up since I couldn't find anything decent to read, and really enjoyed it. Did have some issues with it, but enjoyed it.
However, the rest of the EU had gotten just plain ridiculous...

Can't wait for September!

[s2mikey]

Originally Posted by Beast

The only really good EU stuff is the Thrawn Trilogy. And even that one isn't exactly the best thing ever.

I will probably snag the Darth Plagueis novel in 2012 though, just to see how they present Palpy's early years.

Yeah, I kind of got into the Thrawn trilogy and then moved onto the Jedi series and its running out of steam. There is only so much you can do and so many different bad guys to deal with. It starts to get repetitive and some of novels are rather dull to get through. Still - Im a SW lover so anything extra can be cool.

Im to the point now where if I am going to get into any more books they are going to be pertaining to what happened WELL before what we currently have. Like Darth Plegius stuff, the creation of the Republic, how the whole Jedi thing started, Palpatine as a young man, etc, etc. I will say that some Han Solo backstory that lined up nicely with current stuff would be sweet.