Star Wars: The Complete Saga (1977-2005)

[Beast]

Originally Posted by dallywhitty

Anakin redeemed himself with Return of the Jedi. As Luke said, there was still good within him. Replacing the original actor with whatshisface in the Special Edition ending has never made sense to me.

Anakin appearing as Ghost of Humpty Dumpty never made sense at all.

It was the biggest necessay change to the OT.

[ZoetMB]

Originally Posted by Deadset

- 75% of the people voted on this site to have the unaltered original movies in the new bluray set (in the main star wars thread)

Frankly, that's meaningless. This is a fan boy site. It has little to do with what the market wants as a whole. Do you really think the market as a whole feels about slipcovers and steelbooks like the people who contribute to this site? This is not the real world. The incidence of OCD in the real world is much lower than it is among people here.<g>

Besides, given the choice, of course you'd want them in. Even I voted to have them in that poll. But that's like asking whether you'd like something priced at $20 or $10. Of course everyone would vote for $10.

[ZoetMB]

Originally Posted by dallywhitty

Anakin redeemed himself with Return of the Jedi.

Really? Let's say he lived. Don't you think he would have been indicted for numerous murders, war crimes and crimes against "humanity"?

[OG Pooh]

Originally Posted by Beast

Anakin appearing as Ghost of Humpty Dumpty never made sense at all.

It was the biggest necessay change to the OT.

Care to explain?

[dallywhitty]

Originally Posted by ZoetMB

Really? Let's say he lived. Don't you think he would have been indicted for numerous murders, war crimes and crimes against "humanity"?

We're talking about Star Wars. It's not a gritty crime drama.

[tilallr1]

Originally Posted by dallywhitty

Anakin redeemed himself with Return of the Jedi. As Luke said, there was still good within him. Replacing the original actor with whatshisface in the Special Edition ending has never made sense to me.

Totally agree.

The change was even more jarring than the Greedo/Han shooting first debacle.

Still think Lucas did this because he has a thing for Hayden.

[tilallr1]

Originally Posted by dallywhitty

We're talking about Star Wars. It's not a gritty crime drama.

True ... plus part of his redemption involved his life sacrifice too. So ... his point is irrelevant. Only the Force can judge him now. Which it does by giving him immortality at the end. Thus he is redeemed.

[Chordata]

Am I wrong, or are most of the "deleted scenes" already on the DVDs?

[OG Pooh]

Originally Posted by tilallr1

Totally agree.

The change was even more jarring than the Greedo/Han shooting first debacle.

Still think Lucas did this because he has a thing for Hayden.

Ya mean like Michael Jackson & Macaulay Culkin?

[octagon]

Originally Posted by ZoetMB

Frankly, that's meaningless. This is a fan boy site. It has little to do with what the market wants as a whole.

So as far as relevant market data goes...

Craigslist ads for second-hand VHS tapes: In

Blu-ray.com user polls: Out

Got it.

[tilallr1]

Originally Posted by OG Pooh

Ya mean like Michael Jackson & Macaulay Culkin?

You never know. That's my theory anyway.

[OG Pooh]

Originally Posted by tilallr1

You never know. That's my theory anyway.

Oh God... Now I'm gonna have nightmares of George comin' at me with his tongue all slurping around like Jabba's and that bullfrog neck of his. Thanks.

[bboisvert]

Originally Posted by OG Pooh

If you remember, the Jedi only learned how to communicate with the living after Qui-Gon's death. Obi-Wan spent some of his time on Tatooine learning that from Qui-Gon. Anakin shouldn't have been able to appear as a spirit just like that.

How would we "remember" that? Was any of that in any film? Or mentioned anywhere across any of the six of them?

[octagon]

Originally Posted by OG Pooh

Oh God... Now I'm gonna have nightmares of George comin' at me with his tongue all slurping around like Jabba's and that bullfrog neck of his. Thanks.

Don't forget the flannel.

[Chordata]

Originally Posted by OG Pooh

If you remember, the Jedi only learned how to communicate with the living after Qui-Gon's death. Obi-Wan spent some of his time on Tatooine learning that from Qui-Gon. Anakin shouldn't have been able to appear as a spirit just like that.

Originally Posted by bboisvert

How would we "remember" that? Was any of that in any film? Or mentioned anywhere across any of the six of them?

Yes, it was in AOTC and ROTS. In fact, Yoda pretty much says what OG Pooh said verbatim at the very end of ROTS.

[OG Pooh]

Originally Posted by bboisvert

How would we "remember" that? Was any of that in any film? Or mentioned anywhere across any of the six of them?

Um, yeah. After deciding what to do with the twins, Yoda informs Ben that Qui-Gon has learned the path to immortality. He tells Ben that he must train & communicate with Qui-Gon while on Tatooine.

[bboisvert]

Originally Posted by O_V_N

Yes, it was in AOTC and ROTS. In fact, Yoda pretty much says what OG Pooh said verbatim at the very end of ROTS.

Hmmm... my bad. I guess I don't know the prequels (especially ROTS) as well as I thought. I've seen AOTC a lot and I don't remember any of that in there. But I guess it must have been mentioned in ROTS.

The whole "force ghost" thing has been so random, it just hasn't made all that much sense to me. What should have been one of the main points of the prequels sounds like it became a simple throwaway scene at the end of the 3rd one.

Originally Posted by OG Pooh

Um, yeah. After deciding what to do with the twins, Yoda informs Ben that Qui-Gon has learned the path to immortality. He tells Ben that he must train & communicate with Qui-Gon while on Tatooine.

So... how did Qui-Gon 'learn' this? And isn't it conceivable that Vader also learned it in the next two decades, given the major hang-up he had about the concept?

See... random. One of my disappointments with the prequels is how little of this was spelled out, given how (thematically) important it seems to be for the "complete saga".

[OG Pooh]

Originally Posted by bboisvert

Hmmm... my bad. I guess I don't know the prequels (especially ROTS) as well as I thought. I've seen AOTC a lot and I don't remember any of that in there. But I guess it must have been mentioned in ROTS.

The whole "force ghost" thing has been so random, it just hasn't made all that much sense to me. What should have been one of the main points of the prequels sounds like it became a simple throwaway scene at the end of the 3rd one.

So... how did Qui-Gon 'learn' this? And isn't it conceivable that Vader also learned it in the next two decades, given the major hang-up he had about the concept?

See... random. One of my disappointments with the prequels is how little of this was spelled out, given how (thematically) important it seems to be for the "complete saga".

If this was something Vader had learned while alive, he should have disappeared, like Obi-Wan & Yoda did. So in reality, it's not random. The only ones that disappeared upon death were the ones that learned it from Qui-Gon... Ben & Yoda.

As for how Qui-Gon learned it... That wasn't covered to my knowledge.

[Chordata]

Originally Posted by bboisvert

See... random. One of my disappointments with the prequels is how little of this was spelled out, given how (thematically) important it seems to be for the "complete saga".

Agree with you there - it's such a huge thing, and so critical to "the force" in the OT, yet for the most part glazed over in the PT, save for that line by Yoda to Obi-Wan in ROTS, and Yoda hearing Qui-Gonn's yelling "Anakin, Anakin, Nooooooooo!" while meditating in AOTC (when Anakin kills the sandpeople).

[Deadset]

Originally Posted by octagon

So as far as relevant market data goes...

Craigslist ads for second-hand VHS tapes: In

Blu-ray.com user polls: Out

Got it.

Yep..it's meaningless to listen to polls about movies at a bluray site. Meaningless I tell you!