Star Wars: The Complete Saga (1977-2005)

[STARKILLER--1138]

Originally Posted by STARKILLER--1138

Parents must have dropped you a few times, huh? Got a couple screws loose...couple beers short of a 6-pack? Guess we all know what happens to crack babies.

Originally Posted by mrpink134

LOL man this ADD boy needs alot of help!! I think I just might of found something for you little boy

http://lmgtfy.com/?q=how+do+I+control+my+add
I hope this helps

Guess my previous post was right on the money. You poor bastard...

[Beast]

Originally Posted by Duffy12

I was kinda hoping that they STILL had it kept in storage somewhere, but I guess not.

Not a surprise though. While Lucas does still have most of the props, models, masks, and costumes for the films in the Lucasfilm Archives, storing that thing would have been insanely expensive and problematic. I do hope we get a modern Lucasfilm Archives tour, like the one on the Definitive Collection Laserdisc set. Not to mention that version being on one of the bonus discs. It's a pretty cool feature.

[STARKILLER--1138]

Originally Posted by Beast

Not a surprise though. While Lucas does still have most of the props, models, masks, and costumes for the films in the Lucasfilm Archives, storing that thing would have been insanely expensive and problematic. I do hope we get a modern Lucasfilm Archives tour, like the one on the Definitive Collection Laserdisc set. Not to mention that version being on one of the bonus discs. It's a pretty cool feature.

Would love to see a modern tour. Last one I saw was when I was collecting MR SW prop replicas many years ago.

[kenkraly2004]

I wonder how many of the extra's on the blu-ray release will be new extra's and how many of the extra's are from the previous dvd releases? The dvd release had a lot of good documentaries on them the beginning for episode 1 , From Puppets to Pixels: Digital Characters in Episode II , State of the Art: The Previsualization of Episode II , Films Are Not Released: They Escape" sound documentary for epiosde 2 , Within a Minute" documentary film about the making of the Mustafar battle from Episode 3 ROTS and Empire of Dreams The Making Of The Star Wars Trilogy. I hope their will be some new documentaries as well as the stuff we have seen before.

[JamesKurtovich]

Question, didn't Anakin murder Shaak Ti at the Jedi temple? Or is that just the novel?

I ask because in TFU, she is Starkiller's 3rd target.

As I watch ROTS, my favorite prequel film, I notice two things.

- Way too many CG clones. I don't mind when there's hundreds of them in a shot, but when there is only 1 or 2 and they're kind of important to what's happening... Get real people. It bugs me that in the attempted assassination of Yoda, the only characters actually there are the Wookies. Feels like a video game.

- Sometimes it's way too obvious it's all a green screen. When they're on an actual set, you notice immediately. They should have done more to try to get the actors in an actual setting instead of just relying on the computers to do all the work in the background. I guess it has to do with realistic textures and stuff like that.

- The fight between Sidious and Mace (because the other Jedi didn't even fight) is definitely one of the worst fights in the saga.

- Has the best music of all the films? Probably. It helps make the film feel "big".

- The scenes on Kashyyyk are awesome.

I know they couldn't have done it but why didn't Yoda finish the Emperor? He seemed to be more powerful. When he falls he simply runs away. A little too much is at stake to just run off like that isn't it? But even if he didn't, fine. Ben could have easily met up with Anakin again and defeated him much more easily than he did before when Anakin was at full potential. Then he and Yoda could have defeated the Emperor together. No need to hide out and let the Empire commit more mass murder for the next 20 years.

[Uxi]

It was a deleted scene, so isn't canon. TFU is canon, so that's where she dies.

Yoda couldn't beat the Emperor, which is why he fled.

[STARKILLER--1138]

Anyone else notice the ERTL stamp on the AT-AT in ESB? I think it's right after you see SNAPON on the snowspeeder. I swear it's hard to believe that these are actual vehicles in the movie when they look more like toys. Here's hoping we can get that fixed too and get away from the Lee PressOn vehicles of the OT.

[P@t_Mtl]

Originally Posted by Jay444

Rights are one thing, but art is something else. We all clearly see this as a 'product' issue, but you can look at it as an 'art' issue as well (which is WHY things get so heated). Let's just say Da Vinci didn't go back and paint eyebrows on the Mona Lisa and call it a 'special edition.' When Star Wars was put into the National Film Registry it was not the 'Special Edition' it was the original piece of art. People want to see the original the way it was when it was first produced to share the experience of what a true piece of art it was.

The Special Editions are fine imo ('cept that whole Greedo issue, and I am NOT a fan of ruined pacing at the end of Empire, but everything else is just fine). For example, Blade Runner, the Alien films, Lord of the Rings Trilogy; those artists offered the fans the chance to see their art as it was originally produced. Because they are just that, artists. Lucas has become much more of a corperate entity. So, he is out of touch with his fan base in a way that James Cameron, Ridely Scott, and others are not (say what you want about Cameron but he has ALWAYS offered fans plenty of options with his films and you can still see the original verisons). That is the issue. Lucas isn't an artist anymore, but more of a CEO of a huge empire.

Basically what I am saying is a lot of hard work went into the making of the OT. Redoing special effects and not offering the original pieces is a diservice to the artists whom worked so damned hard to make it look great back in the day.

If Davinci was alive and he wanted to change thing on his painting and decided that he doesn't want the old look to be seen anymore, sorry but you, me and the rest of the world can complaint, we can tell him it's a bad idea, we can say that the original should still be available but if he doesn't want to listen, that's life and too bad.

Plus what other directors do or don't do is not an issue. The issue is Lucas as decided to do something about his own personal work. I hate these example "oh but others do this or don't do that". If a bunch of people decided that it was cool to go and jump off the Golden Gate Bridge, should we all do it because they are doing it? Lucas does not have to do anything because Cameron or Scott do stuff different. They do things the way they want it and Lucas does it the way he want's it. You can disagre with Lucas, you have every right to do so but he also as the right to do it the way he want's it. Just don't buy what he is selling you.

[Chordata]

Originally Posted by P@t_Mtl

If Davinci was alive and he wanted to change thing on his painting and decided that he doesn't want the old look to be seen anymore, sorry but you, me and the rest of the world can complaint, we can tell him it's a bad idea, we can say that the original should still be available but if he doesn't want to listen, that's life and too bad.

Plus what other directors do or don't do is not an issue. The issue is Lucas as decided to do something about his own personal work. I hate these example "oh but others do this or don't do that". If a bunch of people decided that it was cool to go and jump off the Golden Gate Bridge, should we all do it because they are doing it? Lucas does not have to do anything because Cameron or Scott do stuff different. They do things the way they want it and Lucas does it the way he want's it. You can disagre with Lucas, you have every right to do so but he also as the right to do it the way he want's it. Just don't buy what he is selling you.

There's no doubt he has the right to do it. I hope no one is contending he doesn't. The question, I think is whether he should do it.

[P@t_Mtl]

Originally Posted by O_V_N

There's no doubt he has the right to do it. I hope no one is contending he doesn't. The question, I think is whether he should do it.

I think he should release both, I would even double dip since I like the special editions but would love to also have the originals on Blu-ray as I saw them as a kid but what can me, you and the rest of the world do about it? Coming back post after post in this forum saying he is wrong won't change anything. Nothing we can say here will change it. Plus between you and me, calling him names in Internet forum won't do anything good either.

You can write letters to Lucasfilm
You can get petition going
You can refuse to buy his product

But all of this require getting off you butt and actually do something. Everytime I posted this (I remember posting a very long one with everything one could go about doing if they wanted to change Lucas and Lucasfilm mind) I was call an apologist, a Lucas defended and it would not work. I guess for some it's just easier calling him names on the Internet

[Jay444]

Originally Posted by P@t_Mtl

I think he should release both, I would even double dip since I like the special editions but would love to also have the originals on Blu-ray as I saw them as a kid but what can me, you and the rest of the world do about it? Coming back post after post in this forum saying he is wrong won't change anything. Nothing we can say here will change it. Plus between you and me, calling him names in Internet forum won't do anything good either.

But all of this require getting off you butt and actually do something. Everytime I posted this (I remember posting a very long one with everything one could go about doing if they wanted to change Lucas and Lucasfilm mind) I was call an apologist, a Lucas defended and it would not work. I guess for some it's just easier calling him names on the Internet

Okay, but you basically agree with what I am saying in that he should release both then? I didn't say ignore the special editons (they exist and are fine) but for artistic value and to honor the work done by the original artists (some whom are no longer with us, namely the directors of Empire/Jedi). Its artistic value. I was citing examples of Cameron, Scott and the Hobbit who directed the LOTR films as guys who I feel do things right.

[Chordata]

Originally Posted by P@t_Mtl

I think he should release both, I would even double dip since I like the special editions but would love to also have the originals on Blu-ray as I saw them as a kid but what can me, you and the rest of the world do about it? Coming back post after post in this forum saying he is wrong won't change anything. Nothing we can say here will change it. Plus between you and me, calling him names in Internet forum won't do anything good either.

You can write letters to Lucasfilm
You can get petition going
You can refuse to buy his product

But all of this require getting off you butt and actually do something. Everytime I posted this (I remember posting a very long one with everything one could go about doing if they wanted to change Lucas and Lucasfilm mind) I was call an apologist, a Lucas defended and it would not work. I guess for some it's just easier calling him names on the Internet

I personally don't care what he does, and I'm not married to the original theatrical releases. I'll buy the "special edition" if it's released. I just think it's funny the old man can't let it go. I don't think he'd waste the time to read a letter stating as much, and I surely wouldn't waste the time to write one.

But this is the forum where we get to discuss things amongst ourselves. Some people will applaud him and the movies, and some will not. I don't think anyone on either side is necessarily trying to accomplish anything besides venting and discussing.

[s2mikey]

Originally Posted by JamesKurtovich

Question, didn't Anakin murder Shaak Ti at the Jedi temple? Or is that just the novel?

I ask because in TFU, she is Starkiller's 3rd target.

As I watch ROTS, my favorite prequel film, I notice two things.

- Way too many CG clones. I don't mind when there's hundreds of them in a shot, but when there is only 1 or 2 and they're kind of important to what's happening... Get real people. It bugs me that in the attempted assassination of Yoda, the only characters actually there are the Wookies. Feels like a video game.

- Sometimes it's way too obvious it's all a green screen. When they're on an actual set, you notice immediately. They should have done more to try to get the actors in an actual setting instead of just relying on the computers to do all the work in the background. I guess it has to do with realistic textures and stuff like that.

- The fight between Sidious and Mace (because the other Jedi didn't even fight) is definitely one of the worst fights in the saga.

- Has the best music of all the films? Probably. It helps make the film feel "big".

- The scenes on Kashyyyk are awesome.

I know they couldn't have done it but why didn't Yoda finish the Emperor? He seemed to be more powerful. When he falls he simply runs away. A little too much is at stake to just run off like that isn't it? But even if he didn't, fine. Ben could have easily met up with Anakin again and defeated him much more easily than he did before when Anakin was at full potential. Then he and Yoda could have defeated the Emperor together. No need to hide out and let the Empire commit more mass murder for the next 20 years.

Some good points here, especially Yoda bailing out. I realize that the Emperor was putting up a good fight but like you said it appeared that if Yoda stuck with it he may have triumphed. Sure, we have no more movies if that happens but it doesnt show Yoda in the best light.

Honestly - Yoda has a LOT of questionable actions throughout the films. He cant sense Palpatine is the Sith. He didnt know about the Kamino clone stuff. He is very much in touch with the force but has a helluva time realizing whats going on around him. He quits on the Palpatine battle. Geesh - c'mon Yoda.... ya gotta do better than this!

[Beast]

Originally Posted by Jay444

Okay, but you basically agree with what I am saying in that he should release both then? I didn't say ignore the special editons (they exist and are fine) but for artistic value and to honor the work done by the original artists (some whom are no longer with us, namely the directors of Empire/Jedi). Its artistic value. I was citing examples of Cameron, Scott and the Hobbit who directed the LOTR films as guys who I feel do things right.

Those individuals were still paid for that work. And still have their names in the credits.

And most of the work that they did still exists, even if there has been some CGI changes and enhancements.

[Chordata]

Originally Posted by Beast

Those individuals were still paid for that work. And still have their names in the credits.

And most of the work that they did still exists, even if there has been some CGI changes and enhancements.

Reminds me of a funny story in the "Building Empire" doc -- one of the artists who made the final scenes with all the ships in space as Lando/Chewie leave in the falcon had completed his work, the movie was cut and shown, 3 weeks away from release, so he goes on vacation with his family. A few days later Lucas called him and needed him to do more work on it -- he wanted more ships. So clearly this isn't new for Lucas, love it or hate it.

I tend to like him "touching up" things, and I'll admit I was stoked in the mid-90s when he released the "special editions" because I was a fan of the movies and loved seeing new stuff. I don't like storyline changes necessarily, but in the end of the day it's a movie and I'm just a viewer, so what can you do.

[IndefinentBlu]

Here are some problems with the OT **(NOTE: I AM NOT BASHING THE OT):

A New Hope:

1) Why! was Vader supposed to take orders from Tarkin, it seems as though Tarkin was in control of Vader, i would think it was the other way around, i mean what? did Tarkin do to be promoted to a level higher than Vader??


The Empire Strikes Back

1) How? was Luke able to fight Vader when he obviously was not yet fully trained, yet he was able to hold his own are we to believe obi wan somehow helped him from beyond the grave!

2) Why would Vader think that Luke would have joined him after he cut off his hand.

Return Of The Jedi.

1) The Emperor was treating Vader like crap telling him to leave his sight, and go onto the command ship and await HIS orders it was like the The Emperor had enough of him and couldn't wait to have Luke take his place.

2) Did Vader not know that the Emperor was planning to replace him with Luke did Vader not care?

[IndefinentBlu]

http://tv.ign.com/articles/115/1150655p1.html

[Aquel]

Originally Posted by indefinentnj

Here are some problems with the OT **(NOTE: I AM NOT BASHING THE OT):

A New Hope:

1) Why! was Vader supposed to take orders from Tarkin, it seems as though Tarkin was in control of Vader, i would think it was the other way around, i mean what? did Tarkin do to be promoted to a level higher than Vader??

I do know that Vader was there (by order of Palpatine ) to keep Tarkin and the other commanders seizing the Death Star and try to take all power. Which isn't such an far fetched idea if you hear Motti


The Empire Strikes Back

1) How? was Luke able to fight Vader when he obviously was not yet fully trained, yet he was able to hold his own are we to believe obi wan somehow helped him from beyond the grave!

Yoda trained him for weeks. This was of course far from complete (and it shows, Vader toys with Luke). The only time I looks as if Luke can hold his own is when he uses the gas to stun Vader and push him off the platform (where it is debatable if Vader didn't simply let himself pushed back)

2) Why would Vader think that Luke would have joined him after he cut off his hand.

Because he just said that he was his father . And Luke only had some weeks of training to defend himself against the corrupting lure of the Dark Side.

Return Of The Jedi.

1) The Emperor was treating Vader like crap telling him to leave his sight, and go onto the command ship and await HIS orders it was like the The Emperor had enough of him and couldn't wait to have Luke take his place.

Well he wanted Luke to replace Vader (Palpatine explicitly urges Luke to finish Vader in the movie) so I don't get your point?

2) Did Vader not know that the Emperor was planning to replace him with Luke did Vader not care?

He probably knew and after that the Emperor confirmed he still didn't immediately went to fight him. My only theory would be that he saw little value in his life and just gave up on being anything more than Palpatine's lapdog. Which of course changed when he saw Luke being tortured and threw Palpatine in the pit where he belonged

[Chordata]

Originally Posted by indefinentnj

The Empire Strikes Back

1) How? was Luke able to fight Vader when he obviously was not yet fully trained, yet he was able to hold his own are we to believe obi wan somehow helped him from beyond the grave!

2) Why would Vader think that Luke would have joined him after he cut off his hand.

1) I think that's exactly what Kirshner (sp?) wanted to portray: a naive but courageous Luke who, despite his lack of training, did not back down from fighting Vader. He obviously wasn't ready and didn't hold his own for long, which is why he got his ass handed to him (pun intended).

2) Because fear leads to anger, anger leads to hate... My impression was if you're mad enough, you'll more easily turn to the dark side.

Originally Posted by indefinentnj

Return Of The Jedi.

1) The Emperor was treating Vader like crap telling him to leave his sight, and go onto the command ship and await HIS orders it was like the The Emperor had enough of him and couldn't wait to have Luke take his place.

2) Did Vader not know that the Emperor was planning to replace him with Luke did Vader not care?

Yes he was, which was why Vader wanted Luke to come with him to "rule the galaxy as father and son". I think Vader knew what was up.

[P@t_Mtl]

Originally Posted by O_V_N

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But this is the forum where we get to discuss things amongst ourselves. Some people will applaud him and the movies, and some will not. I don't think anyone on either side is necessarily trying to accomplish anything besides venting and discussing.

Maybe so but at this point, was is the purpose? How much venting do you actually need to do on a series of movies? I mean seriously if it's affecting someone so much, they have other issues that need's to be looked at. At the end of the day, they are only movies and they should not be the center of one's personal life. To hear some talk in here, you would think they are ready to commit suicide if they don't get what they want Sure everyone can complaint, once and let's move on to other things. This venting as been going on since this thread as been open, I would imagine you should run out of air for venting after a while?