Star Wars: The Complete Saga (1977-2005)

[kenkraly2004]

Originally Posted by Jacobss

Geoff D - I'm not having "a go" at Lucas. I just criticize him. I know that much more filmmakers are doing the same, but this topic is SW related so I only mentioned Lucas. As for now, 2K in Cinemas is ok, but we will see in 5 years. There are already cinemas with digital 4K projectors for 2D movies. With the rest what you said, I can only agree. I also forgot about the film stock problem. It was already in trouble in 97. That's why there was made a restoration back then.

Beast - You are wrong. They are not doing Phantom Menace from scratch for the 3D release. They will use the current 2K master with digital Yoda for that. As I said it will be almost impossible and to expensive to do it from scratch. Human eye can see a difference from 1080p to 2K or 4K - you just need a bigger screen. It's the same story as with 720p and 1080p. And yes, it's irony because after all this talk how special edition is technically better than unaltered trilogy, it is still capable of higher resolution.

As for upscaling - I hope you are not serious. Because you can say the same about BD - what's the point of it? We should better stay with DVD and upscale it. Of course it's bullshit.

tilapiah6 - We are talking about future releases - Blu rays will be alright.

Jacobss - Again another Lucas basher he did this he did that. oh why don't you just take your GL bashing and criticizing of him somewhere else.

[Cook]

Originally Posted by Geoff D

No one is having a go at Lucas? You coulda fooled me, bub.

Im sorry, but on any of my posts have I once said one derogatory remark towards Lucas himself? Have I once called him a miserable hack? Have I once derided him for the story choices he made? Have I once made notice of his horrible use of green screen? No, I haven't. That would be having a go. I am simply discussing the flaws in the cameras he used. He made a mistake. I'm not judging him for it. I'm just recognize the problem. You are acting like I want to crucify him for it. I could care less what camera he used. It's the past. Its done. I can't change it. But I have every right to have a discussion here about the camera system he used and that systems short comings. Just like you have every right to discuss why there are flaws with the camera systems used on the other films if you so choose. Or how you like one film over the other. This is a forum. It's what you do in a forum. You discuss things. Other directors have made mistakes. Cameron shot on 1:85.1 for Aliens, but in the commentary says he would have liked to shoot on Super35 but it may have turned out grainy. Does this mean he was having a go at himself? Maybe, but guess what who cares. It was all in good spirits and not one ill intent was meant by it. If you don't want to be a part of the conversation or feel like we are having a go at Lucas don't contribute to the conversation. Scenario: We are in front of a dam you designed. A hole appears in it. I point this problem out. You, ignore the problem, and instead take on a defensive nature and accuse me of having a go at your dam. Now, the hole is getting bigger, and more holes and cracks appear. The more that I point out the more defensive you get. You refuse to admit there is a problem in you design. In the end, the dam breaks and we all drowned because you were missing the point of my warning and didn't fix the problem.

[chip75]

Below is a pic of a similar camera used to shoot Eps. II & III. TPM was the last Star Wars film to date to use 35mm.

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I think if I recall Rick McCallum mentioned that if they hadn't made the OTSE's Star Wars would have been lost for ever. And they only now exist in their SE form. I hope they scanned the film before added the alterations otherwise we're out of luck UOT release wise. Unless they find fresh negatives or a pristine print stored in limbo....

[tilapiah6]

Originally Posted by frogmort

Maybe I'm getting old, and set in my ways, but if all 6 movies look great in 1080p, then that's good enough for me.

Exactly. Agreed 100 percent. As long as it looks good on my 60 inch tv and sounds good, I couldn't care less about the next generation. As Beast pointed out, the human eye cannot detect far beyond 1080p anyway. As far as the bigger screen size argument, I don't see myself owning a 200 inch screen anytime in the next couple decades.

[Beast]

Originally Posted by tilapiah6

Exactly. Agreed 100 percent. As long as it looks good on my 60 inch tv and sounds good, I couldn't care less about the next generation. As Beast pointed out, the human eye cannot detect far beyond 1080p anyway. As far as the bigger screen size argument, I don't see myself owning a 200 inch screen anytime in the next couple decades.

Besides, we all know the future isn't bigger screens. It's holodecks or projecting the films right into your brain

[chip75]

Originally Posted by tilapiah6

Exactly. Agreed 100 percent. As long as it looks good on my 60 inch tv and sounds good, I couldn't care less about the next generation. As Beast pointed out, the human eye cannot detect far beyond 1080p anyway. As far as the bigger screen size argument, I don't see myself owning a 200 inch screen anytime in the next couple decades.

A 200inch screen would be cool though, right? Although you'd have to sit across the street to be at the recommended distance from it.

Red Ray is probably the next step forward technology wise (The Hobbit will be shot on an Epic)and then movies will come on flashdrives instead of discs but I'm not interested.... yet. The Epic looks cool though.

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[kenkraly2004]

Originally Posted by chip75

A 200inch screen would be cool though, right? Although you'd have to sit across the street to be at the recommended distance from it.

Red Ray is probably the next step forward technology wise (The Hobbit will be shot on an Epic)and then movies will come on flashdrives instead of discs but I'm not interested.... yet. The Epic looks cool though.

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I remember Rick McCallum talking about the new Red Camera's on a youtube interview from 2010 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kIVbABv4T34 and http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H4xqrXcuTU0

[chip75]

Originally Posted by kenkraly2004

I remember Rick McCallum talking about the new Red Camera's on a youtube interview from 2010 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kIVbABv4T34 and http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H4xqrXcuTU0

Thanks for the links. Watching that I remembered an article about a filmmaker who went out to Skywalker Ranch to demo some HDSLR's for Lucas and McCallum. I couldn't remember his name but he was on YouTube Suggestion tab. So doubly thanks!

Philip Bloom Visits the Ranch

[Jacobss]

Originally Posted by kenkraly2004

Jacobss - Again another Lucas basher he did this he did that. oh why don't you just take your GL bashing and criticizing of him somewhere else.

Oh, you forgot to say that "colars for ble ray releeese wil ba fixxxed". You still didn't apologize to adywan on originaltrilogy.com for using his own work as a proof, that the colors for BD release will be fixed.

As for people saying 1080p is enough - well, years ago VHS was also enough. Once you follow the path of better resolution, forever it will dominate your destiny :P.

[al cos.]

Originally Posted by chip75

I think if I recall Rick McCallum mentioned that if they hadn't made the OTSE's Star Wars would have been lost for ever. And they only now exist in their SE form. I hope they scanned the film before added the alterations otherwise we're out of luck UOT release wise. Unless they find fresh negatives or a pristine print stored in limbo....

It doesn't work like that, check with Robert Harris, he explained it best. (short version: you don't need the negative, lots of great blu-rays and restorations don't even touch them or didn't have access to them)

[kenkraly2004]

Originally Posted by Jacobss

Oh, you forgot to say that "colars for ble ray releeese wil ba fixxxed". You still didn't apologize to adywan on originaltrilogy.com for using his own work as a proof, that the colors for BD release will be fixed.

As for people saying 1080p is enough - well, years ago VHS was also enough. Once you follow the path of better resolution, forever it will dominate your destiny :P.

Your are a troll not me. The colors and the sound mix for EP 4 will be fixed for the blu-ray release you don't know that you don't know anything about the blu-ray releases and I don't either. So I don't want to here anything you have to say. Do not cause trouble you understand. Those trolls at originaltrilogy.com are mean and disrespectfull. You keep it up and I will report you.

[Uxi]

1080p obviously is enough now, but remember we've already seen roadmaps with 2160p and 4k from the Consumer Electronics guys...

[kenkraly2004]

Originally Posted by Imrahil2001

Wait, in one single sentence you assert that a) stuff will be fixed and then follow that up by saying that b) you don't know anything about the blu-ray releases.

Does your brain hate itself?

I don't know anything but their are people on the net claming I do but it's not true. This website has been nice to me but on other online fourms like I get yelled at because I like the SE's of the OT and like the PT's and I support GL.

[Cook]

Originally Posted by chip75

I think if I recall Rick McCallum mentioned that if they hadn't made the OTSE's Star Wars would have been lost for ever. And they only now exist in their SE form. I hope they scanned the film before added the alterations otherwise we're out of luck UOT release wise. Unless they find fresh negatives or a pristine print stored in limbo....

I think they did scan the films before doing the clean up work. I could be wrong about this though.

[JamesKurtovich]

I love the technical talk... I know very little about cameras and all that stuff.

I do think it was very shortsighted to use a 1080p digital camera rather than film which has a higher resolution... But the movies are mostly CG anyway and they could just redo those, right?

[chip75]

Originally Posted by al cos.

It doesn't work like that, check with Robert Harris, he explained it best. (short version: you don't need the negative, lots of great blu-rays and restorations don't even touch them or didn't have access to them)

But if the BD's are made from the 2004 masters which by some accounts they will be only the detail which exists in those masters will make it to Blu-ray. Which means some of the finer detail has gone AWOL unless the DVD's were a massive botch job. I knew that you don't need a negative for a transfer but I can't see Lucas searching the globe for a 75mm to make us happy when he has the 2004 masters or the '96 ones.

[al cos.]

Originally Posted by chip75

I knew that you don't need a negative for a transfer but I can't see Lucas searching the globe for a 75mm to make us happy when he has the 2004 masters or the '96 ones.

Everything needed for a criterion-type cleanup is right at the ranch, ready to go.

[chip75]

Originally Posted by al cos.

Everything needed for a criterion-type project is right at the ranch, ready to go.

Apart from the go ahead of the boss, they're all set to go. It's not a question of can they? Its a question of will they?

And a lot of guys think they won't. Whatever they pump out is going to be spectacular though. UOT's or no UOT's.

They can do American Graffitti as a dry run lol....

[Cook]

Originally Posted by JamesKurtovich

I love the technical talk... I know very little about cameras and all that stuff.

I do think it was very shortsighted to use a 1080p digital camera rather than film which has a higher resolution... But the movies are mostly CG anyway and they could just redo those, right?

They scanned the films into the avid (digital media interface) at 1080p and did the effects and grading in the avid. Even if they went back and did new effects they would be at 1080p, I think. Even if you could increase the resolution of the cgi, the physical stuff would be stuck at 1080p. This being said, with the films being alot of cgi in the future there may be a way to increase the resolution by redoing the cgi. IDK, though, we are gonna have to play the waiting game with this. Technology advances so fast now that by the time we have higher resolution home video there very well could be a way to fix this problem.

[kenkraly2004]

Do you relay think criterion whould clean up the UOT even though it's not under the LFL licenses?