Star Wars: The Complete Saga (1977-2005)

[Beast]

Originally Posted by JamesKurtovich

I'm surprised that this excessively moderated forum hasn't moved this over to the Movies section. 99% of this thread is off-topic.

I'm sure when we get an official press release with specs, this thread will likely get moved. If not closed then moved.

I think there's a point where the mods close long threads anyway, and start new ones. To lessen the strain on the forum servers.

It's a fun discussion topic though, that kinda is a weird stream of consciousness thing. But we all need to remember not to take it too seriously.

[Duffy12]

Originally Posted by Jay444

Yeah, except Lucas didn't direct Empire or Jedi. But that is just being a corrective ass.

However, the only issue I have with those two is the pacing was thrown off at the end of Empire. I can assume Vader made it back to his Star Destroyer safe and sound with the line: "Bring me my shuttle!" Quite frankly, I loved that line because he sounded fn pissed off which is how he should feel after learning his son would rather die than hang out with him. Sounds way to relaxed with the "Inform my Star Detroyer to prepare for my arrival."

And don't forget who is there to greet him on his arrival at his Star Destroyer?

- Death Star II commander Moff Jerjerrod.



Which just shows that it was a cheap lift from a extra throwaway scene from RotJ that they did not need.

So in BD HD, that one will really stick out a lot more than it does now, which makes me wonder if they will fix that boo-boo by giving him either a mustache or a goatee, or just removing that added scene altogether.

[Beast]

"Bring My Shuttle" always bugged me. With the number of landing platforms on Bespin, why would Vader's shuttle not already be waiting for him. It's not like his pilots would be out joyriding with the shuttle, since he was busy with that Skywalker kid. Especially since it's not like they had to hide the Imperial Ships anymore, given the trap was already sprung on Han & Pals. So I like the change. It's a huge improvement in my eyes. Vader just suddenly appearing on his SDD a moment later during the Falcon Pursuit didn't really make sense. Especially given the film clearly shows them no longer near Cloud City.

[aggienader08]

This is the weirdest dang thread on the net for sure. Not just this site, but on the internet as a whole.

About every 5 pages (approx. avg.) there's a 10 page argument over the Unaltered Original Trilogy and why it should(n't) be included, in which Beast tries his hardest to fend off a group of different blokes each time.

Among these arguments another argument rears it's little head about how awful the Prequel Trilogy is and how it's the bane of the Star Wars canon, while Beast tells everyone they're opinion isn't worth 2 craps on a hot summers day.

Then, Battlestar Galactica is somehow brought into the mix and parallels between the two are somehow struck, but ultimately fail to establish as a reasonable parallel/comparison.

And then, to top it all off we have some random dude announcing to the Star Wars: Complete Saga thread that:

Originally Posted by Mike_In_HD

Our first baby is due this day!

There's 468 pages of this nonsense!

People...be at peace.

[Duffy12]

lol

[JamesKurtovich]

Everywhere that has Star Wars, there's going to be controversy and debate. Just look at the product reviews on Amazon for the upcoming Blu-ray release.

I already have the 2004 dvd versions with Hayden Christensen in Jedi, Boba Fett sounding like a goofy clown instead of an intimidating and mysterious figure, a drastically darkened look overall with a strange blue tint, other gaffes like pink lightsabers and a botched soundtrack.
Not to mention all the crap that was added in 1997 including a pointless contradictory scene with Jabba the Hutt in Star Wars, an even more pointless set of Return of the Jedi outtakes added to the end of Empire disrupting the pacing, Greedo shooting at Han Solo and can you say "new musical number in Jabba's Palace?"

The marketers behind this Blu-ray set would like you to think you're getting HD quality prints of the "Original Series."

I've been a Star Wars fan for all my life. My fandom doesn't include any of the films or cartoons made since 1997, so I would love to purchase this piece of film history.

In fact, this release includes only the remakes made in 1997 -- digitally touched, edited, and mangled throughout. Buying these far lesser quality versions of the movies would only feed the problem and prolong their release.

[Jay444]

Originally Posted by Beast

"Bring My Shuttle" always bugged me. With the number of landing platforms on Bespin, why would Vader's shuttle not already be waiting for him. It's not like his pilots would be out joyriding with the shuttle, since he was busy with that Skywalker kid. Especially since it's not like they had to hide the Imperial Ships anymore, given the trap was already sprung on Han & Pals. So I like the change. It's a huge improvement in my eyes. Vader just suddenly appearing on his SDD a moment later during the Falcon Pursuit didn't really make sense. Especially given the film clearly shows them no longer near Cloud City.

I dunno dude. I thought it was unnecassary change. We don't need to see the shuttle landing that is for sure. I liked the line because it actually showed that Vader was angry about what just happened rather than "Oh well..." I liked that. Plus there is plenty of time for Vader to get to his Star Destroyer because the Falcon had to turn around to pick up Luke and then avoid the tie Fighters again. The addition fills in pointless gaps (imo) is what I am trying to say and was sorta best left alone.

I think this is where you and I have our differences. I like to assume some things: i.e. the force as a mystical element as it was seen in the OT and you like the explanations (mideocholorants (sp?)) as the force was described in the PT. Not trying to argue with you, but I think this is a major difference as to why we both like one trilogy over the other.

[Dynamo of Eternia]

Originally Posted by aggienader08

This is the weirdest dang thread on the net for sure. Not just this site, but on the internet as a whole.

About every 5 pages (approx. avg.) there's a 10 page argument over the Unaltered Original Trilogy and why it should(n't) be included, in which Beast tries his hardest to fend off a group of different blokes each time.

Among these arguments another argument rears it's little head about how awful the Prequel Trilogy is and how it's the bane of the Star Wars canon, while Beast tells everyone they're opinion isn't worth 2 craps on a hot summers day.

Then, Battlestar Galactica is somehow brought into the mix and parallels between the two are somehow struck, but ultimately fail to establish as a reasonable parallel/comparison.

And then, to top it all off we have some random dude announcing to the Star Wars: Complete Saga thread that:





There's 468 pages of this nonsense!

People...be at peace.

You also missed Nannerpus! He got deleted.

[octagon]

Originally Posted by Beast

And I'm still wondering why people think it's not okay. So I guess we'll have to agree to disagree.

I guess they should ignore Stanley Kubrick's wishes and restore the original ending of The Shining also, eh?

That would be up to the owner of the film, wouldn't it?

That person or persons would have the right to make whatever changes they wish, wouldn't they?

[octagon]

Originally Posted by Beast

There's a difference. The Special Editions arn't an entirely new movie. They're the same exact films with a few tweaks.

If they're the same exact films how can one be far superior to the other?

You can't argue in one breath that people are making too big a deal over a handful of minor tweaks and in the next breath argue those minor tweaks are huge improvements that make for far superior films.

Well, obviously, you can...

[octagon]

Originally Posted by JamesKurtovich

I'm still wondering why people think it's okay to change movies after they've already been made and released.

I mean, I'm all for restoration and stuff like that. But taking stuff out, putting stuff in, changing music, adding and altering entire scenes?

And still after all of these changes, you should still respect the original work and the people that fell in love with it. I realize some people can't help their impulses to go back (GL, Spielberg, etc.) but at least some of them don't ignore what started it all.

That's easy enough - they're not my movies. If the guy who owns the movies want to do this, that or the other thing to them I don't get a vote.

I can certainly comment but beyond pissing and moaning I don't really get a whole lot of say about how people dispose of their own property.

[chip75]

The best thing about the original Battlestar Galactica was it made George Lucas money as well (about 225,000).... Maybe that's why Beast prefers it? It all went in the Star Wars kitty....

I love old BSG as well and the new one isn't to everyones tastes. Even though was a fantastic series.

[TylerDurden]

I like the new series but do see how it does turn into a soap opera every now and then. Will have to check out the old series on Netflix as well.

[octagon]

Great, now I can't get the original BSG theme out of my head.

[JamesKurtovich]

My mom loves BSG, I was thinking about getting it on Blu, but after reading all of this negativity...

[octagon]

Originally Posted by JamesKurtovich

My mom loves BSG, I was thinking about getting it on Blu, but after reading all of this negativity...

Ignore the nattering nabobs of negativism - the new series was excellent on pretty much every level but (and given the price of the set this is a pretty big but) it definitely isn't for everybody.

While I would recommend the new series to pretty much anybody I would also recommend streaming or renting several episodes first.

[Bluyoda]

Originally Posted by Jay444

I agree with you 100%. I have no problems with the special editions (just I don't buy a few of the claims as to why some of the changes were necessary though, as Greedo shooting first doesn't really work in any way, but whatever). I want them included for historical purposes and of course I would like to see a nice before and after thing in my own home under the best possible circumstances. They should be included so fans get the everything and the Lucas raping on the net finally comes to an end.

BSG was a great series, and I LOVED Dean Stockwell's character.

It is too late for that now, my son.

The "fans" have destroyed the Saga all by themselves, and for that alone I pray George will never ever release the UOT again.

Originally Posted by kamphausd1

No, Lucas might have the right to make changes to his films, not disputing that at all (even though Empire and Jedi weren't directed by him). But he has an obligation to preserve the original films the way they originally were, not just for the people who want them that way, but for film buffs, film students and for the preservation of film history as well, especially since those versions got him where he is today.

Just about every other director is doing it, Spielberg did it with Close Encounters (and I'm sure he'll do the same with E.T. when it's finally released on blu), Coppola did it with Apocalypse Now, Scott did it with Blade Runner, and hell, even Friedkin did it recently with The Exorcist. Lucas on the other hand is the only one who still thinks he's above everything.

And how are the newer versions superior to the original cuts anyway? Sorry dude, but spiffier and more modern looking does not mean better. And if you actually buy into the whole "It complete's Lucas' vision" nonsense then I almost feel sorry for you. As somebody else pointed out yesterday, the revisions have nothing to do with Lucas completing his vision, but with his own obsessive compulsive tweaking. And it's not just Star Wars, he's done the same with THX-1138 and American Graffiti.

Visually they are better. Story wise they are about the same. So, yes they are improved.

Originally Posted by AintNoSin

Lucas shows contempt for the films that made him rich. Without the UOT there would be no money for special editions, no ILM, no Skywalker Ranch, no pent up demand for prequels.

Calling the UOT "inferior workprints" is like saying, "Everyone who paid good money to see them (and made me a gazillionaire) are a bunch of suckers."

So, I'm not saying that GL doesn't have the strict legal right to do whatever he wants. I'm saying that those of us who saw the original a dozen times in the theater between 1977 and 1978, camped outside a theater in 1980 and 1983 to be first to see the sequels, disagree rather wholeheartedly that these versions are "inferior workprints." Inferior workprints don't play continuously in first run theaters for an entire year (as ANH did when it was just Star Wars). They just don't. And they don't turn their creators into multi-millionaires.

Maybe we should say to George, "Hey if those flicks were so bad that you need to hide them away from the public, then you were knowingly selling us a defective product back in 1977. I think we're entitled to a little of that money back."

Originally Posted by minarets77

But I digress. Let's get back to talking about this vastly overrated series of films that are only viewed as being the pinnacle of sci-fi due to nostalgia.

Hm, so what are you doing here then?

Originally Posted by aggienader08

This is the weirdest dang thread on the net for sure. Not just this site, but on the internet as a whole.

About every 5 pages (approx. avg.) there's a 10 page argument over the Unaltered Original Trilogy and why it should(n't) be included, in which Beast tries his hardest to fend off a group of different blokes each time.

Among these arguments another argument rears it's little head about how awful the Prequel Trilogy is and how it's the bane of the Star Wars canon, while Beast tells everyone they're opinion isn't worth 2 craps on a hot summers day.

Then, Battlestar Galactica is somehow brought into the mix and parallels between the two are somehow struck, but ultimately fail to establish as a reasonable parallel/comparison.

And then, to top it all off we have some random dude announcing to the Star Wars: Complete Saga thread that:





There's 468 pages of this nonsense!

People...be at peace.

Ha,ha Yeah, the baby comment was freaking hilarious!

Originally Posted by chip75

The best thing about the original Battlestar Galactica was it made George Lucas money as well (about 225,000).... Maybe that's why Beast prefers it? It all went in the Star Wars kitty....

I love old BSG as well and the new one isn't to everyones tastes. Even though was a fantastic series.

Hello, Earth to Pluto: This is a Star Wars thread!

Please stop talking about BSG. Open a new thread if you have the urge to discuss that series.

And folks: Please stop fighting and calling each other names.
Let's be civilized here.

Btw., I have just chipped my fingernail

[JamesKurtovich]

Originally Posted by Bluyoda

It is too late for that now, my son.

The "fans" have destroyed the Saga all by themselves, and for that alone I pray George will never ever release the UOT again. l

How exactly?

I fail to see why Star Wars fans aren't allowed to give Lucas bad feedback.

If something about your product sucks, expect to be told that it sucks.

[chip75]

Originally Posted by Bluyoda

Hello, Earth to Pluto: This is a Star Wars thread!

Please stop talking about BSG. Open a new thread if you have the urge to discuss that series.

From a certain point of view (mine) I was talking about Star Wars.

[octagon]

Originally Posted by JamesKurtovich

How exactly?

I fail to see why Star Wars fans aren't allowed to give Lucas bad feedback.

If something about your product sucks, expect to be told that it sucks.

That's exactly right. The Coca Cola corporation had every right to change the Coke formula and consumers had every right to tell them that New Coke sucked.

That's life in a free market.