Star Wars: The Complete Saga (1977-2005)

[Shaft Windu]

Originally Posted by Jay444

There was a confrontation between Sebulba and Anakin in the pod race at the very end where Sebulba losses control immediately following ramming Anakin. So, they did have a simular confrontation and clearly liked each about as much as Greedo and Solo. Anyway, I was using it more or less as an example for a change that might not sit well with PT fans. Obviously, its a change most would hate no? So welcome to my world of Greedo and Solo.

The big difference between these scenarios is that Han Solo is just a supporting character and he propably has shot dozens of other smugglers, pirates or gangsters in his time. So, wether he shot first or second or simultanously is such a small detail. It's not even worth mentioning. Anakin (THE main character of the saga) killing an opponent in the pod race would be completely out of place and out of character. It's just a bad example...

The difference in dealing with these changes and new motifs in the prequels and so on is that people are reluctant to use their heads.

As I heard the concept of "midichlorians" for the first time, I thought: "That's interesting, the creator of this world gives us new information on how it works. I wonder what part the midichlorians have to play in further episodes?" And I was not let down. The midichlorians play a major part in inheriting force-sensitivity, in finding the chosen one or in creating life...

The "so called fans" on the other hands just thought: "I don't get it - I hate it!" THATs the lack of respect I was talking about - and it's small-minded.

[Ryan0503]

Originally Posted by JamesKurtovich

Ah. Figured... just thought I'd ask.

Nope, still on the 1st season myself.

The Clone Wars is Fantasic!! Each Season has REALLY outdone the other, and the Season III finale is on friday. I love the movies, including the PT, and I have to say The Clone Wars is one of the best things to happen to Star Wars in a while

Originally Posted by ZoetMB

If you buy a top or middle line TV, chances are it's going to be 3D-ready, although it won't necessarily come with glasses, especially the lower-priced models. All technology gets cheaper over time (BD players started out at over $1000 and now there are even some under $100), but fighting against that are a declining US $ against the Yen (down 31% since 2007) and the tragedy in Japan, which is going to limit production and raise costs aside from the fact that the capital costs to rebuild will also result in higher prices. So I think we'll still see some declines, but they'll be more moderate over the next 2-3 years. And the question is whether the 3D Blu-ray releases of Star Wars will happen after each has a theatrical release or whether they'll wait until at least three have been released to theatres, which means it won't happen before 2014.

I'm not 100% sold on the 3D thing yet, I've only seen two movies that I thought were better in 3D than 2D (Avatar and Resident Evil: Afterlife). However I have been looking at getting a 3D TV mainly for the 240Hz refresh ratio. That being said, Sony and Toshiba has both shown prototypes of 55in 3DTV's without glasses. I think in the next 2 or 3 years we will see a drastic price drop. So until then I will be trying to hold out on any home theater upgrades.

[KubrickFan]

Originally Posted by Shaft Windu

The big difference between these scenarios is that Han Solo is just a supporting character and he propably has shot dozens of other smugglers, pirates or gangsters in his time. So, wether he shot first or second or simultanously is such a small detail. It's not even worth mentioning. Anakin (THE main character of the saga) killing an opponent in the pod race would be completely out of place and out of character. It's just a bad example...

Well, if it doesn't matter, then why alter it at all? Han immediately draws his gun when he sees Vader on Cloud City as well, and that didn't needed to be changed. It's just so arbitrary and unnecessary. Kind of like censoring the impact hits the imperial officers get, but still have the bloody cut off arm when Obi-Wan uses his lightsaber in the cantina. Changing it so that Greedo shoots first worsens Han's character, looks awful the way it's done and there's no way it couldn't be done right there and then.

Originally Posted by Shaft Windu

As I heard the concept of "midichlorians" for the first time, I thought: "That's interesting, the creator of this world gives us new information on how it works. I wonder what part the midichlorians have to play in further episodes?" And I was not let down. The midichlorians play a major part in inheriting force-sensitivity, in finding the chosen one or in creating life...

The "so called fans" on the other hands just thought: "I don't get it - I hate it!" THATs the lack of respect I was talking about - and it's small-minded.

That's not what most fans thought. The Force used to be something spiritual, something mystical. Suddenly, it was altered to something biological, seemingly for no other purpose than to let the audience know easily that Anakin could indeed be very powerful.
Bits that could be interesting (like Palpatine creating Anakin through the midichlorians) aren't even mentioned in the movie. But it's really nice of you to lump in all of the "so called fans" together and insult them.

[Jay444]

Originally Posted by Shaft Windu

The big difference between these scenarios is that Han Solo is just a supporting character and he propably has shot dozens of other smugglers, pirates or gangsters in his time. So, wether he shot first or second or simultanously is such a small detail. It's not even worth mentioning. Anakin (THE main character of the saga) killing an opponent in the pod race would be completely out of place and out of character. It's just a bad example...

Anakin killing someone (indirectly or otherwise) is out of place for the main character in this saga? Do you want to think about this just a little bit more? You do realize he blows up the droid control ship at the end of the Phantom Menace right? He kills the whole Nemodian crew and by doing so kills more 'flesh and blood' characters than anyone else in that same film. Not to mention the very same character in question will eventually become Darth Fn Vader. Ya know, the guy the wiped out an entire tribe of sand people, killed CHILDREN, cut off the head of a defenseless opponent, helped betray/kill the Jedi, tried to kill his own wife and best friend. Yeah, it would be amazingly out of character for THAT guy to have a mean streak in him so young.

But you are making my point for me. A minor change like that does seem to bother you. While it does not impact the story AT ALL, it does alter the character ever so slightly. Han shooting first altered the character. If Anakin killed Sebulba it would change the way you feel about his character. Quite frankly, if he killed Sebulba it would actually be MORE in line with his character than not. Serial killers start young...

[radagast]

Originally Posted by JamesKurtovich

You guys think that 3D technology (TV's, BD's) will be much cheaper by the time the 3D TPM BD hits shelves? I'm not so sure about investing in 3D since the titles and TV's are more expensive and I've heard it called a passing phase and a marketing gimmick.

I doubt it, since there are 5 possible 3D technologies in various stages of development.

[Jay444]

Originally Posted by KubrickFan

Well, if it doesn't matter, then why alter it at all? Han immediately draws his gun when he sees Vader on Cloud City as well, and that didn't needed to be changed. It's just so arbitrary and unnecessary. Kind of like censoring the impact hits the imperial officers get, but still have the bloody cut off arm when Obi-Wan uses his lightsaber in the cantina. Changing it so that Greedo shoots first worsens Han's character, looks awful the way it's done and there's no way it couldn't be done right there and then.

EXACTLY! The small change didn't impact the overall story, but does impact the character. Changes his entire set up and doesn't match up at all with Han's future actions (shooting first in almost every chance he gets). Leaving it with Solo shooting first added a tremendous amount of depth to the character (shady morals, kinda a hothead with a hint of danger to him). I think it helped develop the character more and it made a good foil to Luke.

Anyway, the change is there and I can live with it. I know why Lucas did it, I just don't think he thought it all the way through is all.

[chip75]

Originally Posted by Jay444

Anakin killing someone (indirectly or otherwise) is out of place for the main character in this saga? Do you want to think about this just a little bit more? You do realize he blows up the droid control ship at the end of the Phantom Menace right? He kills the whole Nemodian crew and by doing so kills more 'flesh and blood' characters than anyone else in that same film. Not to mention the very same character in question will eventually become Darth Fn Vader. Ya know, the guy the wiped out an entire tribe of sand people, killed CHILDREN, cut off the head of a defenseless opponent, helped betray/kill the Jedi, tried to kill his own wife and best friend. Yeah, it would be amazingly out of character for THAT guy to have a mean streak in him so young.

If I remember correctly Lucas said he didn't want any sign of Anakin's Dark Side in TPM, he was a young boy after all. He probably didn't realise the consequences of his actions. The Pod Race was just a game and so was the attack on the Droid Control Ship. It wasn't until AotC that the mental wheels started to come off. I think there was a confrontation with Greedo in the deleted scenes that was removed for the same reason.

[Jay444]

Originally Posted by chip75

If I remember correctly Lucas said he didn't want any sign of Anakin's Dark Side in TPM, he was a young boy after all. He probably didn't realise the consequences of his actions. The Pod Race was just a game and so was the attack on the Droid Control Ship. It wasn't until AotC that the mental wheels started to come off. I think there was a confrontation with Greedo in the deleted scenes that was removed for the same reason.

Oh, I understand why its not in TPM. Just using it as an example for the Greedo/Solo change is all and how such changes would impact the character a bit. However, it does highlight one thing: The Jedi should not be allowed to raise children...lol

[Lope de Aguirre]

Originally Posted by KubrickFan

...Kind of like censoring the impact hits the imperial officers get, but still have the bloody cut off arm when Obi-Wan uses his lightsaber in the cantina.

Let alone slaugthering children in the PT or Anakin's chopped of arms and legs and letting him slowly burn.

So WHY did the OT needed to be made less violent?

[OG Pooh]

Originally Posted by Lope de Aguirre

Let alone slaugthering children in the PT or Anakin's chopped of arms and legs and letting him slowly burn.

So WHY did the OT needed to be made less violent?

Exactly.

It also damages Han's character progression (and looks cheesey).

On that subject... Why is the arm in the cantina bloody? Lightsabers immediately cauterize wounds as they cause them. No other lightsaber wound in the saga came with blood that I can remember.

[Batman1980]

Originally Posted by OG Pooh

Exactly.

It also damages Han's character progression (and looks cheesey).

On that subject... Why is the arm in the cantina bloody? Lightsabers immediately cauterize wounds as they cause them. No other lightsaber wound in the saga came with blood that I can remember.

Isn't it the first time in the movies a lightsaber is used to remove a limb? It may not have been until later that they decided lightsabers close wounds like that, just another example of bad continuity.

[Duffy12]

Originally Posted by OG Pooh

On that subject... Why is the arm in the cantina bloody? Lightsabers immediately cauterize wounds as they cause them. No other lightsaber wound in the saga came with blood that I can remember.

That one shot of the bloody arm was done to make sure that the film would get a PG rating and not a G one, as Lucas feared that a G rating would keep away the older moviegoers.

Now what greatly surprises me is that he has not re-edited that one shot, yet ADYWAN has already done this for his fan-edit.


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[OG Pooh]

Originally Posted by Duffy12

That one shot of the bloody arm was done to make sure that the film would get a PG rating and not a G one, as Lucas feared that a G rating would keep away the older moviegoers.

Now what greatly surprises me that he has not re-edited that one shot yet as ADYWAN already has for his fan-edit.

What really bothers me is that GL has made trivial, even stupid changes to the films, but leaves obvious things like this. Forget the fact that there shouldn't be blood... The whole thing looks fake as hell.

[Duffy12]

Originally Posted by OG Pooh

What really bothers me is that GL has made trivial, even stupid changes to the films, but leaves obvious things like this. Forget the fact that there shouldn't be blood... The whole thing looks fake as hell.

- LOL -

I remember when I watched that scene in the theater as a wee little kid, and I had to turn my head away when it came on.

Good times...good times.

[KubrickFan]

Originally Posted by Lope de Aguirre

Let alone slaugthering children in the PT or Anakin's chopped of arms and legs and letting him slowly burn.

So WHY did the OT needed to be made less violent?

Beats me. He proceeded to make Return of the Jedi childish because of his children, continued that more or less with the first two prequels (apart from the political aspects no child finds interesting) and decided "to heck with it" with the last installment. The Clone Wars television series suffers from the same thing. Most fans (and get, most of the time) lightsaber battles and spaceship battles, but a lot of episodes are just political blathering that's just not very interesting. Not that politics on itself aren't interesting (I loved The West Wing) but the show was apparently aimed at children, if I remember correctly.

[Beast]

Originally Posted by OG Pooh

On that subject... Why is the arm in the cantina bloody? Lightsabers immediately cauterize wounds as they cause them. No other lightsaber wound in the saga came with blood that I can remember.

Already explained...

Ponda Baba's alien physiology reacts differently to the lightsaber's blade.

[JamesKurtovich]

Since we're on the subject, don't we seed a small amount of blood when Ben cuts Maul in half? It's very brief but we see a red substance "spray" out from the bottom of the image when we see Maul's reaction.

[Beast]

Originally Posted by JamesKurtovich

Since we're on the subject, don't we seed a small amount of blood when Ben cuts Maul in half? It's very brief but we see a red substance "spray" out from the bottom of the image when we see Maul's reaction.

Correct. There's a fine red mist of blood from cutting Maul in half.

[chip75]

Either way Obi-Wan rendered him 'armless. Ouch....

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[JamesKurtovich]

Originally Posted by Beast

Correct. There's a fine red mist of blood from cutting Maul in half.

Good to know I wasn't seeing things then.

Originally Posted by Duffy12

- LOL -

I remember when I watched that scene in the theater as a wee little kid, and I had to turn my head away when it came on.

Good times...good times.

Wish I could have had that experience. No problem though, I'll be one of the first in place for ANH in 2015.

I ask my Uncle about Star Wars in theaters all the time since he was one of those enthusiastic young teens who ran to the cinema dozens of times to see it over and over. Until I see it for myself I live vicariously through him, haha. Then we talk about the changes to the movies and the PT trilogy and become sad.