Star Wars: The Complete Saga (1977-2005)

[Cook]

Originally Posted by Jacobss

I'm not a technical expert or audiophile, but even I have noticed the major problems with the DVDs, that means with the 2004 master. I'm not a Lucas hater, I also like the prequels (still, I think OT is better) and I like the SE edition (altough I also want the OUT to be released). Things that I have noticed in 2004 master that are bad and destroyed my experience:

The lighsabres - they change colors, sometimes they are too short, sometimes too long. Sometimes there is a missing "haze" around them or they are too thin. That bothers me, because it's inconsistent with the prequels. In prequels they are beatiful. Comparison (don't forget that it is supposed to be same lightsabre on this pictures (Anakins lightsabre was given to Luke!:







Why couldn't they fix the lightsabres to match those in the prequels? I mean, even in fanedits made by one person and non profit, they look much better. Check this: ‪Adywan's "Star Wars: Revisited" (Versione Italiana) - 4/9‬‏ - YouTube 11:18

The color timing - It was fine in 1997. In 2004 master, even I noticed that there something wrong. I don't care for green Dagobah or blue Hoth. But what's distract from experience is this pinkish tint. On all prequels the colors are OK (maybe exept for the DVD master from TPM, but with new master it is gone). It's like watching a film with rosa glasses - terrible.

Crushed blacks - The image is too black, many things from the enviroment are just not visible in the background.

The sound mix - the sound effects are too LOUD! In many places (especially in New Hope) the music is very hard to hear or almost impossible. Especially in attack on the DS or escape with the Millenium Falcon. On the other side, in the prequels, everything is all right. You can hear the effects, the music, just everything. Also, in 1997 5.1 mix from OT, everything was fine, just like in the prequels. Why was it so screwed up in 2004? I don't know.

How can someone even say there nothing wrong with the 2004 master? It's horrible, when you compare it to beatiful, on technical side prequels.

Ben Burtt was in charge of the sound mix for the 2004 DVDs and anyone who has watched the ROTS documentary Within a Minute knows that Ben Burtt prefers sound effects to be more prominent than music. He actually got in a shouting match over it when they were mixing the Mustafar duel. Its no suprise that he near completely covered up the music in some scenes on the 2004 dvds. He wants his spx to stand out above the music.

[Geoff D]

Originally Posted by hipster.doofus7

j.r.r. Tolkien wrote the hobbit in 1937. He made numerous edits over the next 30 years, to make the hobbit more consistent with the entire lord of the rings saga. Sounds vaguely reminiscent of a certain george lucas, doesn't he? I am glad that tolkien didn't live in the internetz age. Because then angry nerds would be raging at him for altering his own works of art 30 years after the fact.

qft.

[Duffy12]

Originally Posted by Cook

Ben Burtt was in charge of the sound mix for the 2004 DVDs and anyone who has watched the ROTS documentary Within a Minute knows that Ben Burtt prefers sound effects to be more prominent than music. He actually got in a shouting match over it when they were mixing the Mustafar duel. Its no suprise that he near completely covered up the music in some scenes on the 2004 dvds. He wants his spx to stand out above the music.

Which has me hoping that these BDs will include an 'isolated music soundtrack' just like the ALIEN BDs had.

Now how cool would that be watching these babies with ONLY John Williams' score blaring out your speakers?


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[Roonan]

Originally Posted by Duffy12

Which has me hoping that these BDs will include an 'isolated music soundtrack'

That would be a fan editor dream.

Originally Posted by Cook

He altered the hobbit because it didn't make sense with LOTR. The things added to the OT in no way have this same effect.

Yes, they do. Specially to the author, which is the one who decides that. Just because you disagree with that, doesn't make the comparison any less credible.

[whaleman]

Originally Posted by shelldweller

i´m also certain that lucas will not screw this release up. I don´t think he has to worry about the backlash because that will come anyway... Perfect release or not.

lol! If this release is "perfect", then I for one will be doing no complaining! Perfect may be difficult to define when it comes to a totally subjective thing as this though. Especially with the polar opposite philosophical views people have on this topic.

[Deciazulado]

Originally Posted by Duffy12

Which has me hoping that these BDs will include an 'isolated music soundtrack' just like the ALIEN BDs had.

Now how cool would that be watching these babies with ONLY John Williams' score blaring out your speakers?

That'd be awesome

[Beast]

Originally Posted by Deciazulado

That'd be awesome

Agreed. I would love to see that. But I don't see it happening.

Especially with the two audio commentaries already eating space.

[whaleman]

Originally Posted by Deciazulado

That'd be awesome

What I would love to see is supposedly in ESB during the filming of the reveal that DV was LS' father, DP was actually saying completely different dialogue, allegedly to keep the twist a secret. I would love to see such a scene as a deleted or alternate scene in the special features. They must have this stuff.

[Beast]

Originally Posted by whaleman

What I would love to see is supposedly in ESB during the filming of the reveal that DV was LS' father, DP was actually saying completely different dialogue, allegedly to keep the twist a secret. I would love to see such a scene as a deleted or alternate scene in the special features. They must have this stuff.

It would probably require Lucas to pay David Prowse, since it would include his actual dialogue.

And that won't happen even if hell froze over. Prowse burned that bridge with his behavior.

[Phoenix Theory]

Originally Posted by Ryan0503

The only difference is the complete saga has both trilogies and 3 bonus disc, the seprate trilogies contain no bonus disc, PQ and AQ will be the same. The only decision is do you want 1-3, 4-6, or 1-6.

i really hate the complete saga box cover art and would prefer the trilogy sets cover art.

[starwarsagent]

Originally Posted by Jacobss

The lighsabres - they change colors, sometimes they are too short, sometimes too long. Sometimes there is a missing "haze" around them or they are too thin. That bothers me, because it's inconsistent with the prequels. In prequels they are beatiful. Comparison (don't forget that it is supposed to be same lightsabre on this pictures (Anakins lightsabre was given to Luke!:

The lightsabers in the PT have new crystals, thats why they look stronger and more illuminated...the Jedi go around the galaxy collecting them, during the clone wars they have thousands. after order 66 the Jedi's lightsabers diminish and break down. The lightsaber Ben and Vader have in the OT are old and flickering because the crystals are breaking down. This thins them, think of a laser or a diamond losing it's shine.

Its not until return of the Jedi that luke fixes his lightsaber and finds an old green crystal that he tries to reuse. Lightsaber crystals are like one in a million during the OT..they are a dead and outdated weapon.

It fits the story perfectly...hope this explains it.

[Vincent89]

In the worst case, I hope Adywan correct the video. The file AVC at 40 mbps on BD will the best source of Star Wars.

It's our only hope

[Cook]

Originally Posted by starwarsagent

The lightsabers in the PT have new crystals, thats why they look stronger and more illuminated...the Jedi go around the galaxy collecting them, during the clone wars they have thousands. after order 66 the Jedi's lightsabers diminish and break down. The lightsaber Ben and Vader have in the OT are old and flickering because the crystals are breaking down. This thins them, think of a laser or a diamond losing it's shine.

Its not until return of the Jedi that luke fixes his lightsaber and finds an old green crystal that he tries to reuse. Lightsaber crystals are like one in a million during the OT..they are a dead and outdated weapon.

It fits the story perfectly...hope this explains it.

Is this EU or your own idea?

[whaleman]

Originally Posted by Cook

Is this EU or your own idea?

Good question - I never heard that either, lol.

[Bluyoda]

Originally Posted by adywan

The video glitch pointed out in both the 2004 transfer and the video from comic con doesn't matter how long it lasts because that wasn't the point of mentioning it at all. Sure, you can't really notice it unless you know its there. It was purely to point out the fact that both videos were taken from the same master and if in fact the video shown at comic con was from the blu-rays, then it is proof they used the same master for the Blu-Rays as this is an impossibility for the same glitch to happen at the exact same point if a new transfer was made.

And the other problems i pointed out about the blown out detail on the bright areas in ESB last a lot longer that 1 second, but you just mention the shortest one just to make it look like the problems can't even be seen. The lost detail in the bright areas in Cloud City last a hell of a lot longer than 1 sec and those were just a few examples of how bad that transfer is. And if they have lightened up the video using the same masters then that is going to destroy even more detail and open up a hell of a lot more problems as was pointed out earlier.


Where did he say that? Can you provide the proof that he said that? It was a few years ago that it was said that they already have the HD versions ready to go but that Lucas was waiting for Blu-Ray to become more mainstream before releasing them and that they were also finding new stuff in the archives all the time so were waiting to see what's in there before finalizing the set. Don't forget that George was against Blu-Ray as he was a HD-DVD supporter, which is another reason it hasn't appeared on a HD medium earlier.

I only checked that one shot you had a screenshot of, as I don't want to watch the films on DVD again. I have been waiting for the BDs for a long time now.

Lucas was against BD? Source/link please!!

Originally Posted by P@t_Mtl

There is nothing wrong about wanting quality but let's be very honest here if we may, this release as been destroyed by a lot of people even before it was ever announced.

The entire month of May and half of June was spend arguing about the green tin over in The Lord Of The Ring thread, remember that one? Some people made it sound like it was the end of the world, they could never have children again, Jackson was the devil.....drama queen much! How did that wonderful episode took place? It was because of a few screen shots that were exaggerated. There is a green tin but nowhere as bad as it was in these screen shot. Some even admitted they went a little to crazy over it, others of course will never agree and continue claiming their lives are over because of it.

Now here we go again in this thread, a few screen shots and the entire universe is about to collapse on us, once more drama queen much! But the reality is that for most people this was never going to be a good release because it's not the release they want. So they will nitpick and destroy and complain not over the fact that it's bad but mostly because they are not getting the Star Wars they want. Of course I understand, it's always easier to say it's bad so this way it's easier to accept that they can't buy it.

At the end of the day, this release will be nowhere as bad as someone of you will make it out to be but the nitpicking will continue and the drama as well but because it's not the Star Wars you want. It has nothing to do with quality.

Good post, P@t!

Time will tell for sure.

The wait is coming to an end.

Originally Posted by EclipseSSD

tbh my mind is now all over the place on this BD release. I'll probably have to find a distraction in the mean time until release day, finish watching some other BDs.

Perhaps you should take a break for this thread, as your hopes are going to be crushed continuously!?!

It's only going to get worse, I am afraid.

At least my expectations have been lowered considerably, and I am only expecting the PT to look and sound awesome.

If there are indeed serious issues with the OT, I will complain to Lucasfilm for certain, but right now, it's way too soon to do so.

Good luck!

Originally Posted by Jay444

I am using the LOTR blus as a distraction....14 hours of walking dude...

Spot on!

Originally Posted by greg_achen

As a "true" fan of Star Wars, I want the very best presentation of these films. I amazed how many "true" fans are willing to settle for a subpar release of their favorite movies. If the mistakes of the 2004 transfer are not fixed, there really is no legitimate excuse anyone can make for Lucasfilm when they had ample time to correct them. I could care less about further "enhancements," just fix the obvious errors. Only in bizzaro land would such a reasonable expectation be made out to be a bad thing.

I am so with you on this!

Originally Posted by Duffy12

Which has me hoping that these BDs will include an 'isolated music soundtrack' just like the ALIEN BDs had.

Now how cool would that be watching these babies with ONLY John Williams' score blaring out your speakers?


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That would be extraordinary indeed, but it's not going to happen.

Originally Posted by Beast

It would probably require Lucas to pay David Prowse, since it would include his actual dialogue.

And that won't happen even if hell froze over. Prowse burned that bridge with his behavior.

What happened?

Originally Posted by hipster.doofus7

The Hobbit also made sense on its own for 20 years, without the alterations. There was no need for Gollum to be bitter in the novel. That bitterness originally festered between the Hobbit and LOTR, not during the Hobbit.


Uh, no.

Once the PT established that Bobba Fett was a clone, then they had to go back and change the original voice in the OT to match the clones in the PT. Likewise, once lucas fleshed out the Emperor character in RotJ and the PT, he had to go back to ESB and replace the old lady with Ian McDiarmid.

You seem to have a very selective memory on what you choose and choose not to remember. The majority of the changes in the SE were made to make it more consistent with the PT, or made to spice up the special FX. The rest were usually scenes GL had originally planned, but never had to budget to implement. Like the Jabba scene in ANH, or the dance sequence in RotJ.

In the original edition of the Hobbit, the wise elves were called "Gnomes" by Tolkien because the word was considered exotic in 1937. By the 1960s though, the word gnome has earned a comical and buffoonish connotations. It was out of date. Tolkien in 1966 renamed them High Elves. It's a purely cosmetic change; entirely unnecessary.

Tell me: How is that any different from George Lucas making cosmetic changes to special effects, because he feared the old 1977 effects were out of date?

Excellent post!

[earmullet]

Anyone know why they took down the Comic Con video?

[bkbluray]

Cancelled my pre-order. I can wait until the beginning of 2012 for an after-Christmas sale. I'm excited for this, but unfortunately have to prioritize my spending (necessities first).

[ogb]

Odd question, perhaps not given everything else that has been discussed to death in here...

We know that the 9 disc Saga set will be in an Avatar/Alien Anthology style digibook...what about the mini trilogy sets? Digibooks or standard cases?

[goldenrod]

short comic-con video on the official site. The shot of the X-wing moving toward the Death Star doens't seem to have many stars. I wonder if that video shows the difference between the DVD & Blu-ray quality. Perhaps that explains why the glitch the Death Star scene can be seen.

[Mavrick]

Originally Posted by ogb

Odd question, perhaps not given everything else that has been discussed to death in here...

We know that the 9 disc Saga set will be in an Avatar/Alien Anthology style digibook...what about the mini trilogy sets? Digibooks or standard cases?

They will be in amarays with a slip.



Seen this just now from comic con. Looks like there behind 3inch bullet proof glass