Star Wars: The Complete Saga (1977-2005)

[BouCoupDinkyDau]

Originally Posted by JasonWard

Everyone knows what "I am your father" means and there is no surprise to be saved as long as Star Wars is in the public consciousness. The reveal ceased to be effective about a month after Empire came out.

Yes, of course you are correct. The first time an eight-year-old sees this, he will know about the Luke/Vader relationship in advance, because all newborn infants are engrained with this information at birth. In fact, is that not true of all major reveals in pop-culture film? I mean, I was just posting on a Usual Suspects thread the other day...oh, but wait...that user actually didn't know what the major plot twist was.

Well, Star Wars is indeed eternal. It won't ever fade from the public consciousness (like it was actually doing around 1990 or so, just before Zahn's novels got popular and the SEs were announced). Sorry I posted.

[gregmasciola]

Originally Posted by NexusVerbal

It did in a sense make it better, but the problem with the scene is that we're being shown the Prequel Trilogy's version of the Emperor, which doesn't match the look of the Original Trilogy's version, which appears in the next film ROTJ, at all. George should've at least tried to get the team to make them look similar. Prequel Palpatine has always looked like plastic to me, and not as grizzly.

Exactly. They should have at least made Ian try to use the same voice he had in ROTJ. Either way, at least he looks better. The woman's face with the monkey eyes looked kind of like claymation.

[Cook]

Originally Posted by JasonWard

Lucas? He's not an expert on that. That's Burtt but from what I understand, Matthew Wood is the one overseeing this audio release as Burtt has left Lucasfilm.

And good riddance! After seeing him act like a brat in Within a Minute and finding out that he is responsible for the music being drowned out of the Battle of Yavin and after what he did to Attack of the Clones score I have very little use for him. I commend him for his brilliant sound effects, but he has lost sight of the fact that a good audio mix isn't made soley of his sound effects. He was a detriment to the franchise, and clearer heads needed be in charge.

[Duffy12]

Originally Posted by gregmasciola

Exactly. They should have at least made Ian try to use the same voice he had in ROTJ. Either way, at least he looks better. The woman's face with the monkey eyes looked kind of like claymation.

BTW, regarding OL' Monkey Eyes...

Does anybody know why they even came up with that effect and used it, since it was most likely that Palpatine was going to have a prominent role in the next film anyway.

It was like they backed themselves into a corner by using that creepy effect in Empire.


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[JasonWard]

Originally Posted by BouCoupDinkyDau

Yes, of course you are correct. The first time an eight-year-old sees this, he will know about the Luke/Vader relationship in advance, because all newborn infants are engrained with this information at birth. In fact, is that not true of all major reveals in pop-culture film? I mean, I was just posting on a Usual Suspects thread the other day...oh, but wait...that user actually didn't know what the major plot twist was.

Well, Star Wars is indeed eternal. It won't ever fade from the public consciousness (like it was actually doing around 1990 or so, just before Zahn's novels got popular and the SEs were announced). Sorry I posted.

The chances are, any child of an appropriate maturity to consume the series will have encountered the reveal in other places. You can be as rude as you would like to be in your response, but that doesn't change the fact that it is spoofed several times yearly and it doesn't change the fact that it is the number 1 boys toy and has been for over ten years which means these plot points make their way into the child's popculture.

Maybe if we adopt several children from China we have that reveal be truly stunning and from out of no where but in reality, American children know this cultural fact.

[greg_achen]

Originally Posted by Cook

And good riddance! After seeing him act like a brat in Within a Minute and finding out that he is responsible for the music being drowned out of the Battle of Yavin and after what he did to Attack of the Clones score I have very little use for him. I commend him for his brilliant sound effects, but he has lost sight of the fact that a good audio mix isn't made soley of his sound effects. He was a detriment to the franchise, and clearer heads needed be in charge.

Very well said, Cook! I couldn't agree more.

[JasonWard]

I never saw his response to any of that. Does anyone have a link?

[adywan]

Originally Posted by Cook

And good riddance! After seeing him act like a brat in Within a Minute and finding out that he is responsible for the music being drowned out of the Battle of Yavin and after what he did to Attack of the Clones score I have very little use for him. I commend him for his brilliant sound effects, but he has lost sight of the fact that a good audio mix isn't made soley of his sound effects. He was a detriment to the franchise, and clearer heads needed be in charge.

Actually it was Matthew Wood that did the sound mix for the 2004 DVD's. I can't understand why George would ever let a sound effect editor ever work on a films sound mix. It's like having a guitarist mix an album by the band he is in. Their work will almost always end up being the prominent factor in the mix. And now Matthew has again done a new mix for Ep4, we can only hope that he has learned a little more about how to mix a film since 2004.

Originally Posted by Shaft Windu

Of course there can and will never be a release that panders to a group that wishes to ignore the prequels. As I said it's a saga with 6 equal parts now! I'm thinking of future generations, kids that are about to discover the movies for the first time in years to come. They should be able to experience the 6-part-saga without interference by a small group of prequel-deniers that want them to watch the movies either out of sequence or half of the movies not at all.

Apart from every version of the original trilogy that was ever released before 2004. At least with those you didn't get the prequels shoved down your throat. I love how you always say its a "small" group that wish to ignore the prequels when that is so far from the truth it's laughable. I guess you only like to frequent places that the prequel lovers hang out then instead of actually seeing what people really think of the prequels on the whole of the net.

Originally Posted by Shaft Windu

These are movies for the ages - not just for one generation!

Funny that you come out with statements like that yet you only support the prequel generation. If you really feel this way then surely you should be campaigning for the unaltered trilogy to be restored and released in HD on Blu-Ray, or does the generation that came before the prequels that made it possible for you to have your precious 6 film saga not count at all? You don't hear any of the fans of the original trilogy ever say that the prequels shouldn't get a blu-ray release because they screw with the original trilogy, yet your kind always moan when fans that don't like the prequels don't want their trilogy messed with and have things from the prequels inserted in there without proper thought (Boba's voice change for example).

It has been said that there is no surprise in ESB because everyone knows "i am your father". Well that is only partially correct. Most people do know that quote, but you'd be surprised just how many of these people have no clue as to where the quote comes from. The best order to watch the movies is the order they were released. There are things in the prequels that are direct nods to the original trilogy, but they make no sense without having watched the originals first.

It makes me wonder just how good the prequels could have been if the editing was done by a professional film editor and not by a sound engineer. The acting isn't brilliant, but then again there are bad bits in ANH but the editing is really well done. The "Lost cut" of EP4 was drastically different than the film we saw and most people who saw this said it was disjointed and not very good with bad pacing problems. The prequels suffer a lot with these problems but i do believe that with the right editor that it could have been a great 6 film saga.

Now i wonder what they have added to the original trilogy this time for the blu-rays. It was rumoured that Kashyyyk is to be added to the end celebration in ROTJ but what else do you think will be changed?

If they fix the colour/ crushed black issues and the audio problems then i will be happy with the release but if it's just a clone of the 2004 DVDs then the argument that they had to rush the DVDs so mistakes were made, really won't hold up any longer now will it. But i guess that they will just come out with the same old argument, that i am a George Lucas Basher and a hater, when they couldn't be further from the truth.

[JasonWard]

Adywan is presumptuous in that the gulf between the sales of the prequel trilogy and the original trilogy is not that vast as of last year, in fact its only a 25,000 copies difference. That gulf is even smaller when you consider how short of a time those films have had in growing an audience.

[phatrat1982]

Originally Posted by Jay444

Whoa! Chip75 and I haven't been ignoring ya at all, and I would say we are quite friendly! But I totally think you will get a LOT more advice from the projector thread in the other part of the forum.

I don't have my laserdisc player hooked up to my system/projector. Hell, I sold most of my LDs except for my Definitive (at the time..lol) Star Wars boxed set. As far as DVDs go, an upconverting player hooked up via HDMI does the job with some tweaking. I was more or less referring to standard def TV. But really get over to that other forum, you'll get a lot more help there. Guys here just want to ***** about the sanity of George Lucas adding farting robots into ANH or what not. Good luck dude!

Oh I wasn't being too serious and I didn't mean you in particular just meant as a whole this thread is very hostile.

[El_Jay]

Originally Posted by JasonWard

Adywan is presumptuous in that the gulf between the sales of the prequel trilogy and the original trilogy is not that vast as of last year, in fact its only a 25,000 copies difference. That gulf is even smaller when you consider how short of a time those films have had in growing an audience.

What source do you have for this? I find this statistic incredibly hard to believe if we're counting every home video release of the original trilogy.

[JasonWard]

We're talking DVD. Not every release ever, that would be absurd. The sales figures were published a little while after the prequel and original trilogy sets were released.

[riverbelow]

Well I can't keep up with this feeeckin thread. I try and I must have too much of a life.

My opinion--

The 3D versions will be the ONLY versions to get a new remastering for bluray. These saga set(s) will be recycled 2004 lowry with some color timing fixes and additional CGI where applicable.

The 3D releases displayed theatrically will have changes to all previous CGI efforts since 1997, to bring them to a current consistency base and complete the lucas vision. And each year we will see the 3D/2D(default inclusion) appear on bluray.

Then in like 2015 when the original trilogy begins to come out theatrically and on blu we will get the UOT set remastered and released - selling for 50-70$ targetted at the hardcore fan market. And if they don't buy it citing price they are then to be considered huge trolling losers.

[Riddler95]

I can already assume that there will be multiple re-releases of The Star Wars Movies on Blu-Ray during the next few years.

The Original Star Wars Trilogy had countless re-releases on VHS, Laserdisc, and DVD.

[adywan]

Originally Posted by JasonWard

Adywan is presumptuous in that the gulf between the sales of the prequel trilogy and the original trilogy is not that vast as of last year, in fact its only a 25,000 copies difference. That gulf is even smaller when you consider how short of a time those films have had in growing an audience.

Can you provide a link with these figures to back up your claim?

[El_Jay]

Originally Posted by JasonWard

We're talking DVD. Not every release ever, that would be absurd. The sales figures were published a little while after the prequel and original trilogy sets were released.

In that case, not a very good barometer of popularity this is, mmm. A staple of every VHS collection, these movies were. Like comparing catalog to new release sales, this is. Lots of double-dipping to account for, mmm.

It will be interesting to see how sales pan out for this release.

I am buying the saga even though I don't particularly love the prequels, so I'm sure I'll skew the numbers a little.

[BouCoupDinkyDau]

Originally Posted by riverbelow

The 3D releases displayed theatrically will have changes to all previous CGI efforts since 1997, to bring them to a current consistency base and complete the lucas vision.

Now there's an oxymoron.

Originally Posted by El_Jay

It will be interesting to see how sales pan out for this release.

I think you'll see the true values in this case. I see the original trilogy taking the lead with the complete saga in a close second, and the prequel trilogy in a distant third.

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[wormraper]

Originally Posted by BouCoupDinkyDau

Now there's an oxymoron.



I think you'll see the true values in this case. I see the original trilogy taking the lead with the complete saga in a close second, and the prequel trilogy in a distant third.

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not really, lucas DOES have a vision... happens everytime he smokes something and decides to re-edit his movies

[JasonWard]

Originally Posted by adywan

Can you provide a link with these figures to back up your claim?

I'm not going to look up a two year old story right now. But let me ask you this, can you provide a link that backs up your claims?

[adywan]

Originally Posted by El_Jay

In that case, not a very good barometer of popularity this is, mmm. A staple of every VHS collection, these movies were. Like comparing catalog to new release sales, this is. Lots of double-dipping to account for, mmm.

It will be interesting to see how sales pan out for this release.

well here are the charts from both amazon.com & amazon.co.uk. As you can see the complete saga is first, with the original trilogy coming second and the prequel trilogy last

AMAZON.CO.UK BESTSELLING CHART
AMAZON.COM BESTSELLING CHART

Originally Posted by JasonWard

I'm not going to look up a two year old story right now. But let me ask you this, can you provide a link that backs up your claims?

And which claims would this be? I provide links to proof to back up my arguments all the time. Surely if your claims about ales were true and that you have such a good memory about the actual figures then you could at least provide the link