Star Wars: The Complete Saga (1977-2005)

[Chordata]

ROTJ sandstorm deleted scene done with the new action figures.

http://starwarsblog.starwars.com/ind...ction-figures/

Trying to post a pic but it won't take...

[mzupeman]

Originally Posted by phansson

Like someone keeps saying "Please quit giving Lucas ideas! Next he will have Megan Fox as Leia".

Can we get a petition going to make this happen? I can't be the only one that wants to see her in the metal bikini.

[BladeRunner2007]

Having seen Episode II + III on DVD a couple of hours ago, I'll say those 1080p Blu-ray screenshots did NOT look that good to me. The DVD looks VERY good and those movies were filmed in only 1080p, so I'm not sure if an update is really worth it. The improvement in PQ won't be big enough imo.

[topraman517]

You CAN watch Star Wars in Blu-Ray quality without having to fully support Lucas's non-sensical (and hypocritical) stance.

Just get a Netflix disc subscription once the Blus are released (and cancel the subscription once you're done watching, if you're not keen on Netflix). Some money will still go to Lucas, but not nearly as much as if you had actually purchased the set. If enough fans boycott a purchase, Fox will probably lose enough money on the sets that they will put pressure on Lucas to allow the restoration and release of the original films.

Sure, you won't be able to watch SW in HD whenever you want, but if you really do hate these changes, you probably are enough of an SW fan that you've seen these films a billion times anyway.

Save the multiple viewings for when the theatrical versions are released. The thing is, there are enough fans who dislike these changes, that if every one of them were to boycott a purchase in favor of a rental, there's a good chance of Lucas bowing to pressure.

It's a win-win: you don't have to wait to see SW in HD, and Lucas makes a lot less money. If you like my idea, please spread the word in forums, comment sections, and the like. Those who write articles for sci-fi/geek/film websites could be particularly instrumental in this boycott.

[Kirk Out]

Originally Posted by mzupeman

Can we get a petition going to make this happen? I can't be the only one that wants to see her in the metal bikini.

+1000

[Weirded Wonder]

Originally Posted by phansson

Like someone keeps saying "Please quit giving Lucas ideas! Next he will have Megan Fox as Leia".

I thought after the Holiday Special he would put Bea Arthur in for Leia.

[kurtlingle]

Originally Posted by topraman517

You CAN watch Star Wars in Blu-Ray quality without having to fully support Lucas's non-sensical (and hypocritical) stance.

Just get a Netflix disc subscription once the Blus are released (and cancel the subscription once you're done watching, if you're not keen on Netflix). Some money will still go to Lucas, but not nearly as much as if you had actually purchased the set. If enough fans boycott a purchase, Fox will probably lose enough money on the sets that they will put pressure on Lucas to allow the restoration and release of the original films.

Sure, you won't be able to watch SW in HD whenever you want, but if you really do hate these changes, you probably are enough of an SW fan that you've seen these films a billion times anyway.

Save the multiple viewings for when the theatrical versions are released. The thing is, there are enough fans who dislike these changes, that if every one of them were to boycott a purchase in favor of a rental, there's a good chance of Lucas bowing to pressure.

It's a win-win: you don't have to wait to see SW in HD, and Lucas makes a lot less money. If you like my idea, please spread the word in forums, comment sections, and the like. Those who write articles for sci-fi/geek/film websites could be particularly instrumental in this boycott.

I don't think this will work.

Many of us like the changes or don't mind or don't care. I think that the number of people is just not enough to make a difference to GL. If no one bought the SE, then I'm sure he'd cave. But it will sell (just like the DVD's did).

Maybe, he'll release the UOT on blu-ray one day - who knows. But I don't think a boycott will work in this case.

[Beast]

Originally Posted by topraman517

You CAN watch Star Wars in Blu-Ray quality without having to fully support Lucas's non-sensical (and hypocritical) stance.

Just get a Netflix disc subscription once the Blus are released (and cancel the subscription once you're done watching, if you're not keen on Netflix). Some money will still go to Lucas, but not nearly as much as if you had actually purchased the set. If enough fans boycott a purchase, Fox will probably lose enough money on the sets that they will put pressure on Lucas to allow the restoration and release of the original films.

Sure, you won't be able to watch SW in HD whenever you want, but if you really do hate these changes, you probably are enough of an SW fan that you've seen these films a billion times anyway.

Save the multiple viewings for when the theatrical versions are released. The thing is, there are enough fans who dislike these changes, that if every one of them were to boycott a purchase in favor of a rental, there's a good chance of Lucas bowing to pressure.

It's a win-win: you don't have to wait to see SW in HD, and Lucas makes a lot less money. If you like my idea, please spread the word in forums, comment sections, and the like. Those who write articles for sci-fi/geek/film websites could be particularly instrumental in this boycott.

Face it... the few people legitimately going to boycott this won't do anything to sales. It's a drop in the bucket.

Especially since the vocal individuals who are saying such things are only a very small portion of the fanbase.

And then you have the people who don't know or care one way or another who willl just buy them at retail.

Also you do realize that Netflix doesn't just magically get the discs right? They have to buy multiple copies as well.

There's no legitimate amount of pressure that will speed up a release that he doesn't want to do. That's just a fact.

After all, there has been petitions and complaints since '97. And the market is there for every version of the films. It just doesn't matter.

[Shaft Windu]

Originally Posted by topraman517

You CAN watch Star Wars in Blu-Ray quality without having to fully support Lucas's non-sensical (and hypocritical) stance.

Just get a Netflix disc subscription once the Blus are released (and cancel the subscription once you're done watching, if you're not keen on Netflix). Some money will still go to Lucas, but not nearly as much as if you had actually purchased the set. If enough fans boycott a purchase, Fox will probably lose enough money on the sets that they will put pressure on Lucas to allow the restoration and release of the original films.

Sure, you won't be able to watch SW in HD whenever you want, but if you really do hate these changes, you probably are enough of an SW fan that you've seen these films a billion times anyway.

Save the multiple viewings for when the theatrical versions are released. The thing is, there are enough fans who dislike these changes, that if every one of them were to boycott a purchase in favor of a rental, there's a good chance of Lucas bowing to pressure.

It's a win-win: you don't have to wait to see SW in HD, and Lucas makes a lot less money. If you like my idea, please spread the word in forums, comment sections, and the like. Those who write articles for sci-fi/geek/film websites could be particularly instrumental in this boycott.

Great and not at all totally stupid idea! Let's all do that! You go ahead!

[double_l4488]

Originally Posted by Beast

Face it... the few people legitimately going to boycott this won't do anything to sales. It's a drop in the bucket.

Especially since the vocal individuals who are saying such things are only a very small portion of the fanbase.

And then you have the people who don't know or care one way or another who willl just buy them at retail.

Also you do realize that Netflix doesn't just magically get the discs right? They have to buy multiple copies as well.

There's no legitimate amount of pressure that will speed up a release that he doesn't want to do. That's just a fact.

After all, there has been petitions and complaints since '97. And the market is there for every version of the films. It just doesn't matter.

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This is right, unfortunately alot of people will just spend money on whatever crap Lucas shovels out there. Its a shame. If more people didn't we could get the UOT on bd. The only reason the uncut movies were released in 2006 is b/c so many wanted them.

[iamsometal]

For those of you that say you're still buying the set regardless of any changes:

Will you still buy the set if the reviews start popping up and the PQ turns out to be a DNR'ed, Edge Enhanced smeary mess across the board and/or if the sound turns out to be a total disaster and the music/dialogue are buried under the sound effects? I'm just wondering if you'll accept any slop Lucas shovels out of his barn or if you'll actually demand some quality before donating your cash to the Lucas great-grandkid retirement fund. I personally regret buying the OT on dvd twice, only to get a complete mess both in PQ and AQ. I won't repeat that mistake ever again (also due to the changes, but mainly because i'm not paying for another botch job in mastering).

[WannabeSpiderMan]

Originally Posted by Merlinpants

Thats like OT meets PT on a technology scale LOL

A technological metaphor for the saga. NICE!

[Chiyo_chichi]

Originally Posted by iamsometal

For those of you that say you're still buying the set regardless of any changes:

Will you still buy the set if the reviews start popping up and the PQ turns out to be a DNR'ed, Edge Enhanced smeary mess across the board and/or if the sound turns out to be a total disaster and the music/dialogue are buried under the sound effects? I'm just wondering if you'll accept any slop Lucas shovels out of his barn or if you'll actually demand some quality before donating your cash to the Lucas great-grandkid retirement fund. I personally regret buying the OT on dvd twice, only to get a complete mess both in PQ and AQ. I won't repeat that mistake ever again (also due to the changes, but mainly because i'm not paying for another botch job in mastering).

Do you really think anyone would be buying this set if there wasn't a nice upgrade in PQ/AQ? What would be the point over the dvd sets?

[TheSword]

Hi guys!

I too have now seen a little bit of the 720p rips of
Episode I, II, III. I must say, Episode I looks remarkably clean and clear. When they land on Coruscant the image is vibrant and rich. Episode II, in my humble opinion, is the one that looks to be slightly off. I am guessing this is down to the fact that shooting in HD was a new thing back then. The image of Anakin and Padme often just appears uninspiring and a bit flat. Also, Wattoo doesn't 'marry' too well into the plates shot on location. Episode III then. The fight between Mace and Palpatine does exhibit quite a lot of noise. Too much I'd say for it to look smashing. I am wondering if this might be 720p compression related stuff?
Anyone else seen this and been wondering the same thing? I am not against noise or grain, obviously, but this looks to be a bit much rendering the image a bit soft...

[Beast]

Originally Posted by double_l4488

This is right, unfortuantely alot of people will just spend money on whatever crap Lucas shovels out there. Its a shame. If more people didn't we could get the UOT on bd. The only reason the uncut movies were released in 2006 is b/c so many wanted them.

First of all...

Not everyone considers the release to be crap. Don't let bias fool you into thinking that everyone thinks the same way. Just as there's a variety of opinions as to what film in the Saga is the best... there's a similar opinion as to the tweaks and changes. So it's not something to really consider "A shame".

Placing blame and attacking people who don't follow the same thinking as you do does nobody any good. The thread features way too much of that. You don't like the new versions and arn't buying the release. That's your choice. But this whole finger-wagging and accusing people of buying "Shoveled Crap" and being "Sheep" is downright insulting. It's really unnecessary. We're all fans of the movies. And we all have our own opinions about them.

Why continue to empathize this "Us Vs. Them" mentality? Especially in the vane hope that it will get you the old cuts.

C'mon guys. Let's talk about the release. There's no need for some of this attitude directed at people for having opinions and priorities.

[tigertron]

Originally Posted by iamsometal

For those of you that say you're still buying the set regardless of any changes:

Will you still buy the set if the reviews start popping up and the PQ turns out to be a DNR'ed, Edge Enhanced smeary mess across the board and/or if the sound turns out to be a total disaster and the music/dialogue are buried under the sound effects? I'm just wondering if you'll accept any slop Lucas shovels out of his barn or if you'll actually demand some quality before donating your cash to the Lucas great-grandkid retirement fund. I personally regret buying the OT on dvd twice, only to get a complete mess both in PQ and AQ. I won't repeat that mistake ever again (also due to the changes, but mainly because i'm not paying for another botch job in mastering).

The message will only get through to Lucas if the majority decide to not buy it. Star Wars will rake in loads of cash, because many people are still unaware of these changes, and those that do, simply don't care that much. This is why any sort of boycott is ridiculous, it changes nothing.

If the films are DNR'ed to hell and are a smeary mess I'd still buy it just because thats all on offer at the moment, and the DVDs are lacking PQ wise (and I just sold my set...). I doubt the films will be bad, I'm pretty confident they'll look brilliant, especially 2 and 3 as I've said in the past. If an ultimate edition comes out with all versions of the OT and all the films are given fresh transfers with proper fixes then I'll definatly double dip, but until then the only choice people have is to stick to their DVDs or VHS etc or buy this Blu-Ray set.

[Jumpman]

Was this posted here yet?

I do not believe TPM went through a DNR process at all. My guess is the blu-rays were struck using the video files which were grabbed from the original negative scans that went into ILM & LFLs computers back in 1998 for the purposes of FX shots and editing. TPM used a very low grain film stock to begin with and was intentionally a softer looking film. David Tattersall used very little direct hard lighting and many sequences were shot with lens guaze.

The film "grain" that is evident in the 2004 DVD and HD transfer were likely a result of second generation grain added when TPM was scanned from a print in 2004. Additionally a lot of noise was introduced in that transfer because of edge enhancement (which can add a lot of video noise that many mistake for grain).

There's simply too much finer detail from the blu-ray images versus the old HD transfer. If DNR were applied you would be losing detail to the image. Strands of hair would look more like blobs (like the HD transfers do).


Yancy

http://boards.theforce.net/star_wars.../30885339/p504

[iamsometal]

Originally Posted by Chiyo_chichi

Do you really think anyone would be buying this set if there wasn't a nice upgrade in PQ/AQ? What would be the point over the dvd sets?

I think a lot of Star Wars fans will buy anything Lucas plops out, regardless of quality (in the past, myself included, i bought the dvd's twice, just to get the crappy LD transfered UOT on non-anamorphic dvd's). There are hundreds, if not thousands of Star Wars fans who are completionists that have to buy everything released with Star Wars stamped on it. Just wondering!

[danny_boy]

Originally Posted by Breather

Now you're resorting to lies to try and prove a point. The sign of defeat. Just like last month. No home video or theatrical version shows that scene having a green saber. None, until 2004. Not the '82 VHS or anything beyond that. Even in my old VHS recording from '84 of Star Wars premiere on network TV in the US, the saber in that shot is blue-white. Not green. I love how you invented the "fact" of what was used as the source for the documentary. It was a test shot to show an example of how lightsabers were done. Duh.

Learn to enjoy the 2004 DVD's? You mean the same ones that even Lucasfilm admitted contained many lightsaber flaws that occurred in the 2004 transfer? The same transfer that you deny screwed up the lightsabers throughout the films. Lucasfilm admits they were screwed up in the transfer to DVD. Who should we believe? LFL that admits the screwup in '04, or you, a hapless internet "debater" who continually denies the truth in order to troll message boards? Pretty easy answer. Read this quote:

"A perfect example is in 2004 with the light sabers, how in the original trilogy all of the light sabers sort of dimmed, you lost that really hot, white core. Well, we went back and wanted to really be true to the original intention of the films, so we brightened up the light saber colors and we brought back that hot, white core that was original to the film."

Source? Lucasfilm at their recent presentation:

http://www.hometheaterforum.com/t/31...ands-on-report

Done mate. I still can't believe I wasted so much time, just like last month, arguing with someone who invents stories and "facts". I guess I'm the fool who follows him.

LOL!

Bigots like you are always easy to debunk:

Jim Ward:
Vice President of Marketing and Distribution for Lucasfilm Ltd.
2/10/2004:

First and foremost, the DVDs will deliver the very best possible sound and picture and take advantage of everything the medium can offer. On top of that, we are creating added-value material that gets inside the creation of the Star Wars films in a fresh and fun way," Ward said. "We want watching this DVD collection to be as memorable as seeing the movies for the first time."

Guess that involved seeing a partially green tinted lightsaber(in certain shots).

Just like every piece of contemporary evidence from 1977 shows it to be aswell as the latest and best transfer of the film to date(the 2011 Blu Ray)---which lo and behold--- features a green Lightsaber.

That's too bad.

Stick to enjoying your shitty 1997 laserdiscs----i'll stick with the 2011 Blu Ray.

As for the rest of your derogatory post--it's actually a description of yourself.

[Beast]

Originally Posted by Jumpman

Was this posted here yet?



http://boards.theforce.net/star_wars.../30885339/p504

Very interesting Jumpman! Thanks for the link. It certainly would explain what we're seeing better than DNR.