Star Wars: The Complete Saga (1977-2005)

[P@t_Mtl]

Originally Posted by Ernest Rister

You can plot the shortest point in distance, but that has little to do with speed. If a car and an airplane moving at their normal speeds follow the same path from point A to point B, which will arrive at point B first?

Han was clearly talking about speed. Someone goofed thinking parsec was a measure of time. It's not a big deal, I always just assumed that parsecs were a measure of time in "Star Wars World". Never bothered me.

Are the dice still hanging from the roof of the cockpit of the Millennium Falcon on the new discs?

Are you kidding? Don't you understand the ramification of such a blunder? It can change the entire fabric of the entire saga of Star Wars and I am not even going to talk about what it's doing to the space-time continuum. The fabric of the Universe could come undone because of that one simple mistake. Lucas is EVIL, evil I tell you!!!!!!!!!!

[AlT_3D]

Originally Posted by phansson

No he managed to come up with a good excuse for a mistake he made in the movie.

Not really, it has been explained and, even if it may have been a mistake originally, that has been dealt with satisfactorily, either through the novels (it was explained well in the newer Han Solo trilogy) or through west end/wookipedia sources etc. It's a fantasy film for christ sakes, not that necessarily is an excuse, but it's been dealt with very well.

We all make mistakes, even I did once.... I thought I was wrong about something!

[DesertFenix]

I finally got to ROTJ last night and was very dissapointed by the new song that they put in Jabba's palace. My wife was practically yelling at the TV because it annoyed her so much. With all these changes, why not edit in some of the information that is conflicting between the two movies, for example when Leia tells Luke that she knew her mother when she was very young before she died (unless of course she was talking about her adopted mother and was made to believe that it was her real mother). Some of the additions I don't mind but other ones are just plain stupid and I would much rather have the original scene back. So far my list of things that I would prefer to be put back in:

Original noise that Obi-Wan made when frightening away the sand people in ANH
Lose the Han and Jabba scene in the Hangar in ANH (Han walking over his tail looks so stupid and fake)
Original song in Jabba's palace in ROTJ

[Weirded Wonder]

Originally Posted by georgec

Whelp, might as well post this.

http://savestarwars.com/lucas-nfr.html

In short, it turns out the Library of Congress never had an original print of SW. I guess the UOT is truly dead (almost).

Pardon my french, Mr. Lucas. But, you're an a$$hole.

[Beast]

Originally Posted by phansson

This famous line has been a major gripe by Star Wars fans because a parsec is a measurement of distance not time. Well, George goes on this 3 minute rant that what he meant distance the entire time. The millennium falcon has such a great navigation system that it can find the shortest route to any point in the galaxy, thus being faster than any other ship. So see, he was right after all!

Does anyone believe what he is shoveling????

It wasn't really a 3 minute rant. But it has been explained/detailed in some of the associated canon. The Kessel Run is a Smuggler's shipping route that is littered with Black Holes. So most people go around it, which requires travel of around 18 Parsecs to complete. Han's confidence in his ship and his piloting abilities allowed him to navigate through the Black Hole area... so it only took him 12 parsecs to complete the entire run.

http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Kessel_Run

[phansson]

Originally Posted by Beast

It wasn't really a 3 minute rant. But it has been explained/detailed in some of the associated canon. The Kessel Run is a Smuggler's shipping route that is littered with Black Holes. So most people go around it, which requires travel of around 18 Parsecs to complete. Han's confidence in his ship and his piloting abilities allowed him to navigate through the Black Hole area... so it only took him 12 parsecs to complete the entire run.

http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Kessel_Run

Ok 2 minute rant. Lucas made a mistake, but has now used his vast universe to explain why he was right the entire time.

I can't wait for the 3 book series that explains how R2D2 got into that little cave on tatooine or the 800 page novel that explains why Jabba the Hutts front door is 5 times bigger on the outside, but not on the inside. I am sure they are both easily explained......:roll eyes:

[aramis109]

Originally Posted by dholmes

Onkyo Pro contacted me about the dts bomb & said there working on it,havnt heard from Onkyo I know they are kind of the same company.I think Im going to return Star Wars because when I had the original bomb it was bad,too much of a risk imo for my spks.

Or just let the player decode it like I have been doing for years with my Onkyo 805 and PS3.

[ZoetMB]

Originally Posted by phansson

Ok, has anyone watched the commentary track with ANH yet? There were a couple of interesting things that Lucas said.

First up Lucas says that the main character of ANH is Princess Leia. While I can see it, I have all ways thought that R2 and C3PO were the main characters.





This famous line has been a major gripe by Star Wars fans because a parsec is a measurement of distance not time. Well, George goes on this 3 minute rant that what he meant distance the entire time. The millennium falcon has such a great navigation system that it can find the shortest route to any point in the galaxy, thus being faster than any other ship. So see, he was right after all!

Does anyone believe what he is shoveling????

Originally Posted by Beast

It wasn't really a 3 minute rant. But it has been explained/detailed in some of the associated canon. The Kessel Run is a Smuggler's shipping route that is littered with Black Holes. So most people go around it, which requires travel of around 18 Parsecs to complete. Han's confidence in his ship and his piloting abilities allowed him to navigate through the Black Hole area... so it only took him 12 parsecs to complete the entire run.

Who cares? You guys sound like the characters in The Big Bang Theory (which is a comedy).

[s2mikey]

Originally Posted by DesertFenix

I finally got to ROTJ last night and was very dissapointed by the new song that they put in Jabba's palace. My wife was practically yelling at the TV because it annoyed her so much. With all these changes, why not edit in some of the information that is conflicting between the two movies, for example when Leia tells Luke that she knew her mother when she was very young before she died (unless of course she was talking about her adopted mother and was made to believe that it was her real mother). Some of the additions I don't mind but other ones are just plain stupid and I would much rather have the original scene back. So far my list of things that I would prefer to be put back in:

Original noise that Obi-Wan made when frightening away the sand people in ANH
Lose the Han and Jabba scene in the Hangar in ANH (Han walking over his tail looks so stupid and fake)
Original song in Jabba's palace in ROTJ

I think the Leia thing was partially because of the force and the fact that it can allow you to "see" into the future slightly or even see things not in the physical realm. She may have also "felt" her Mothers sadness(even as an infant during birth)which is why she mentioned this when she was talking to Luke. Just a thought. Remember, the force runs VERY strong in the Skywalker gene pool

[phansson]

Originally Posted by ZoetMB

Who cares? You guys sound like the characters in The Big Bang Theory (which is a comedy).

Yes, we do....

[Dynamo of Eternia]

Originally Posted by Beast

It wasn't really a 3 minute rant. But it has been explained/detailed in some of the associated canon. The Kessel Run is a Smuggler's shipping route that is littered with Black Holes. So most people go around it, which requires travel of around 18 Parsecs to complete. Han's confidence in his ship and his piloting abilities allowed him to navigate through the Black Hole area... so it only took him 12 parsecs to complete the entire run.

http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Kessel_Run

Even that link doesn't seem to give a consistent explanation. Take this part for example:

The Kessel Run was one of the most heavily-used routes in the Galactic Empire[3] Han Solo claimed that his Millennium Falcon "made the Kessel Run in less than twelve parsecs". A parsec was a unit of distance, not time. Solo was not referring directly to his ship's speed when he made this claim. Instead, he was referring to the shorter route he was able to travel by skirting the nearby Maw black hole cluster, thus making the run in under the standard distance. By moving closer to the black holes, Solo managed to cut the distance down to about 11.5 parsecs.[source?] The smuggler, BoShek, actually beat Solo's record in his ship, Infinity, but without cargo to weigh him down. A few months later, Han Solo beat both his own and BoShek's records in a run he made with Luke Skywalker.

They make it a point to mention cargo weighing down the ship. Why would that even matter? If a parsec is simply a unit of distance and not time, then weight would have no effect on the result what so ever.

Weight would effect the speed of the ship.... how quickly it can complete the task.

Even if (due to weight) it hypathetically took Han twice as much time to complete the run in less than 12 parsecs than it takes someone else to complete it it in 18 parsecs, he will still complete it in fewer parsecs. How does weight even factor into the equation?

And the idea of a parsec being a unit of distance and not time makes it a pointless response to Obi Wan's question.

Let's put this into normal everyday terms...

If someone asks me if my car is fast, and I reply, "Well, I can go from here to the nearest 7-Eleven in less than 5 miles", that doesn't tell them a damn thing about how fast my car is. It just means that I know a route that is possibly shorter than most others. It would take me a hell of a lot longer to walk that distance than to drive it, but the distance, itself, would remain the same. And further more, even if my car was being weighed down by several suit cases full of luggage being in the trunk, making it slower than if I didn't have those suit cases in there, I could still drive that same route to get to 7-Eleven.

Based on the apparent explanation, since time and speed have nothing to do with the measurement of a parsec, and Obi Wan's question was clearly in regards to speed, this explanation renders Han's response as being pointless.

It's clear that this is just one of many things that Lucas didn't really think through very thouroughly.

[Shaft Windu]

Originally Posted by Dynamo of Eternia

Even that link doesn't seem to give a consistent explan YADA YADA YADA just one of many things that Lucas didn't really think through very thouroughly.

You know that Star Wars isn't Science Fiction, right? It's set in the past in a galaxy faaaaaaaaaaar away. If anything it's fantasy. There are no explosions or sounds in space too - nevertheless: The Death Star goes BoOOoM! That's no mistake.

[aramis109]

Originally Posted by Shaft Windu

You know that Star Wars isn't Science Fiction, right? It's set in the past in a galaxy faaaaaaaaaaar away. If anything it's fantasy. There are no explosions or sounds in space too - nevertheless: The Death Star goes BoOOoM! That's no mistake.

We get it. You are attached to the fantasy and the mythology of it all.


Problem is, if I said Frodo was really fast in his trip to Mordor since he only took 200 miles instead of Elrond's original trip where he took 215, IT STILL DOESN'T MAKE ANY SENSE.


It's ok to say that Lucas made a mistake. There are tons of them in tons of films. It doesn't cheapen it for anyone. However the constant "LUCASCANDONOWRONG!" gets tired.

[P@t_Mtl]

Originally Posted by aramis109

It's ok to say that Lucas made a mistake. There are tons of them in tons of films. It doesn't cheapen it for anyone. However the constant "LUCASCANDONOWRONG!" gets tired.

the constant "LUCASDONOWRIGHT" get"s pretty annoying as well

[dholmes]

Thanks aramis 109,are you talking about setting it to pcm instead of bitstream? Sometimes I get the 2 confused,old guy!

[chip75]

How can you weigh down a ship in weightless gravity?

The most important thing is that the fastest route between A and B is a straight line. But because the ships can't travel in a straight line due to obstacles in their path they have to take detours. The ship that takes the less detours would have travelled the shortest distance hence the 12 parsecs. Ships playing it safe would travel along the 18 parsec route.

Slightly off-subject: I'd like to know when G-Force started to begin at ZERO. You see it on Top Gear now and again when they test a Nissan Skyline etc, they say they're almost doing 1G. What a load of nonsense. A stationary object on Earth's surface is 1G. ZERO G's would be the absence of gravity (like in space). How can going round a corner at 90 miles an hour be just over 1G or less?

[aramis109]

Originally Posted by P@t_Mtl

the constant "LUCASDONOWRIGHT" get"s pretty annoying as well

I agree. I'm pretty upset with him not releasing the UOT but I'm quite enjoying the new set with my children who haven't seen them. It's rekindled a lot of the love I had for these movies and removed a lot of the jaded fan in me. As a result I think I'm pretty even-handed on the whole thing.

FOR INSTANCE (can't believe I'm saying this)- The Vader "Nooooooooo" crap almost made me not buy the movies. But when I finally watched it, I got chills. It was an uncontrolled reaction and completely the opposite of what I thought would occur but for some reason the change just really resonated with me. I still feel it's an unnecessary change.

Originally Posted by dholmes

Thanks aramis 109,are you talking about setting it to pcm instead of bitstream? Sometimes I get the 2 confused,old guy!

LOL that's ok. PCM. If your player can handle the decoding you won't have any issues. If it's an older BD player you may not be able to do that and should look at a firmware update if possible (Onkyo's service is really bad).

[Shaft Windu]

Originally Posted by aramis109

I agree. I'm pretty upset with him not releasing the UOT but I'm quite enjoying the new set with my children who haven't seen them. It's rekindled a lot of the love I had for these movies and removed a lot of the jaded fan in me. As a result I think I'm pretty even-handed on the whole thing.

FOR INSTANCE (can't believe I'm saying this)- The Vader "Nooooooooo" crap almost made me not buy the movies. But when I finally watched it, I got chills. It was an uncontrolled reaction and completely the opposite of what I thought would occur but for some reason the change just really resonated with me. I still feel it's an unnecessary change.

[aramis109]

Originally Posted by chip75

How can you weigh down a ship in weightless gravity?

The most important thing is that the fastest route between A and B is a straight line. But because the ships can't travel in a straight line due to obstacles in their path they have to take detours. The ship that takes the less detours would have travelled the shortest distance hence the 12 parsecs. Ships playing it safe would travel along the 18 parsec route.

Slightly off-subject: I'd like to know when G-Force started to begin at ZERO. You see it on Top Gear now and again when they test a Nissan Skyline etc, they say they're almost doing 1G. What a load of nonsense. A stationary object on Earth's surface is 1G. ZERO G's would be the absence of gravity (like in space). How can going round a corner at 90 miles an hour be just over 1G or less?

Well, there's still going to be thrust and escape velocity and gravity from the black holes, planets and what not to consider with cargo.

Originally Posted by Shaft Windu

Just because I liked the change doesn't mean I feel it was necessary or required. I don't need to be handheld throughout the saga. I think it resonated with me as a parent because you'd expect that kind of pure reaction if your child was in danger (then again he tried to take his head off just a few minutes prior).

Just making the point that while I was initially against it (and feel it isn't necessary) that I can still enjoy it and the thrill it gave my initial viewing.

[dholmes]

Thanks again aramis 109,I have the Pioneer 51 blu-ray player which is yrs old with the lastest firmware upgrade 1.72