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That's just like your opinion, man. </TheDude> Obviously, I disagree.
It's simply establishing correlation, not causation, and is an informed perspective instead of Luke's ignorant "the Force is strong in my family" POV. The midichlorians are hardly superfluous as they're integral to Qui-Gon's conjecture that the concentration of midichlorians caused Anakin's conception. Otherwise, the most likely origin for Anakin isn't some strange power that Sidious claims he doesn't even know (but that his master Plagueis did) but that someone just did a 'mind trick' on poor old Shmi after getting their freaky deaky on. These aren't the droids she was looking for, that's for sure.
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So are you suggesting that Obi Wan and Qui Gon weren't "in the know" about the full extent true meaning and signficance of the midichlorians and the council was? I don't buy it.
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Obi-Wan openly asks and Qui-Gon openly admits he doesn't know, so I'd say your answer is explicitly in the movie and doesn't need a suggestion. Yoda and Mace clearly disagreed. Your reaction seems as surprised as Qui-Gon's "No?" in response to Mace. What was next? "He's too old." and Yoda sees that "clouded this boy's future is."
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I really don't see how or why this would be information restricted only to those who are on the council.
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Clearly, it's not an item in their Jedi Book that says "count > 20k = Chosen One" or Qui-Gon would have used that argument. Depending on your point of view, Qui-Gon was right and Anakin does bring balance to the Force when he tosses Sidious down the shaft, but "misread the Prophecy" certainly was or they would have never let Anakin in the Temple given the way things turned out.
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Jedi spend their whole lives training in and learning about the force. If the midichlorians are in any way shape or form important to the force, and the full extent of their involvement is known, why would this not be taught in full?
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Because in your premise, you're assuming that the 'full extent' is known and agreed upon. Instead, the orthodox opinion of the Council is explicitly skeptical in their dialogue on film with the maverick Qui-Gon's interpretation, which only comes after the discovery and Qui-Gon's self-proclamation of his own ignorance on the matter.
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Or by contrast, if there was some reason to keep the full extent of this info restricted to the council members and/or those of a certain level of privelage, why would they teach any other Jedi even know the midichlorians at all, let alone let them walk around with a special device to measure them in other beings? Would it not make more sense to keep it a full secret from them until when/if they are in a position later on to be let in on it?
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"If he were born in the Republic, we would have identified him early." Given the causal nature of the request to Obi-Wan, I'd say it's definitely not secret and seems to be a standard screening. Without training, the potential itself is meaningless, doubly so since they don't think the Sith are around to take anyone they choose not to train.
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x is normal.
Value y would be your average Jedi. I think we could agree that y > x
Freak kid on the ass end of space is > 20k more than even Yoda. I take that mean Yoda is probably closer to 20k than x.... call it 15-18k per cell? Let's call Yoda's count z.
Do you disagree that z > y > x?
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And by way of the simple fact that the coucil dismisses the idea of training Anakin upon that first interview (above and beyond the fear that Yoda senses) would indicate that either they didn't know the full extent of the midichlorians or if they do, then they must not be all that important. Plus if they were fully understood and were extremely important, you would think the council would have shown more positive interest in simply meeting the boy given how "off the charts" his midi-count was.
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They feared training him was dangerous because couldn't master his emotions and would led by them. They were right in TPM to refuse to train him. Yoda says he still disagrees even at the end of TPM, but apparently a majority of the Council saw Anakin's actions as destiny and outvoted him. Perfectly reasonable, though hindsight tells they were still wrong and that Yoda's fears were sound and that the boy would never attain mastery. Of course, that leaves Sidious to train him on his own, but at least their destruction wouldn't have been an inside job and they would have treated him as enemy from the outset of any fighting with Darth Sidious.
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I don't see why Qui Gon would be in the dark about this if it was otherwise well known.
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Noone is 'in the dark,' but it's a matter of disputed opinion vs the conventional wisdom. Would seem obvious he thought he saw the truth and the rest were just being too cautious. Given Anakin's fall reinforces how right Yoda was in anyone being able to train him, much less Obi-Wan.
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What's the difference if they can just sense the force in someone and can give a ballpark description of the strength of it, or getting a specific measurement of some micro-organism in someone's body that they don't fully know how to interpret and when all is said and done still only gives them a ball park estimate of how strong in the force this person is or could become? And it's breazed by so quickly that it just left a lot of people scratching their heads.
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Completely insufficient data in the OT to assume that assumption on your part, which is obviously where the midichlorian concept clashes with your preconceptions on this supposed ability (which sounds more like Highlander to me).
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