Star Wars: The Complete Saga (1977-2005)

[Stinky-Dinkins]

Originally Posted by Beast

The Shining had the wrap-up ending hacked off it after the first screenings. Nobody cries about that for years.

The analogy still doesn't make sense. Kubrick altered it literally days after the first earliest theatrical screenings. It's not like there was one single theatrical representation of the Shining that Kubrick altered 30 years after the fact for home video release. It's not like Lucas first screened SW and then made some quick changes to it a few days later and started showing that version theatrically instead. I personally don't care, I don't care for Kubrick at all, just a bad analogy though.

[Beast]

Originally Posted by Stinky-Dinkins

The analogy still doesn't make sense. Kubrick altered it literally days after the first earliest theatrical screenings. It's not like there was one single theatrical representation of the Shining that Kubrick altered 30 years after the fact for home video release. It's not like Lucas first screened SW and then made some quick changes to it a few days later and started showing that version theatrically instead. I personally don't care, I don't care for Kubrick at all, just a bad analogy though.

It makes perfect sense.

[Stinky-Dinkins]

Yahahaha, OK.

Hoenstly, you are like a broken record man. I can't imagine how anyone even bothers to debate anything with you.

[PeterTHX]

Originally Posted by Stinky-Dinkins

The analogy still doesn't make sense. Kubrick altered it literally days after the first earliest theatrical screenings. It's not like there was one single theatrical representation of the Shining that Kubrick altered 30 years after the fact for home video release. It's not like Lucas first screened SW and then made some quick changes to it a few days later and started showing that version theatrically instead. I personally don't care, I don't care for Kubrick at all, just a bad analogy though.

I'd say opening it up from 1.85 to 1.33 (willingly) was altering.

[Stinky-Dinkins]

Originally Posted by PeterTHX

I'd say opening it up from 1.85 to 1.33 (willingly) was altering.

That is true. Kubrick was nutty when it came to AR's. I remember reading that he was obsessed with home video so he filmed certain things fullscreen with the intention of later releasing them in 4:3 due to not being happy how his previous widescreen films appeared when pan and scan was used. So, again, not really a proper analogy. He couldn't imagine we'd ever be watching widescreen home video in our homes so he tried to remedy the problem of his films being butchered when panned and scanned by filming in 4:3 with the intention of releasing that version on home video. It's not that he had a problem with the theatrical version per se, it's that he didn't want it butchered when watched on a television set (which pan and scan certainly used to do.) Moot point now though, that it's in the theatrical AR on BD.

[GuruAskew]

Originally Posted by Stinky-Dinkins

The analogy still doesn't make sense. Kubrick altered it literally days after the first earliest theatrical screenings. It's not like there was one single theatrical representation of the Shining that Kubrick altered 30 years after the fact for home video release. It's not like Lucas first screened SW and then made some quick changes to it a few days later and started showing that version theatrically instead. I personally don't care, I don't care for Kubrick at all, just a bad analogy though.

So this kind of thing is OK as long as it happens within the first week? Christ.

[Stinky-Dinkins]

Originally Posted by GuruAskew

So this kind of thing is OK as long as it happens within the first week? Christ.

I'm not saying it's "good" or "bad," just that it's not at all comparable. It's such a vastly different situation - not an effective analogy.

There was one definitive version of SW shown in theaters that the world fell in love with. Lucas altered it decades later. Kubrick altered the Shining only after a tiny amount of people had seen it theatrically and that altered version became the version the majority of the world saw and fall in love with when it was originally shown theatrically. It had nothing to do with changing it 20 years after the fact for home video.

[IndyMLVC]

Originally Posted by Stinky-Dinkins

I'm not saying it's "good" or "bad," just that it's not at all comparable. It's such a vastly different situation - not an effective analogy.

There was one definitive version of SW shown in theaters that the world fell in love with. Lucas altered it decades later. Kubrick altered the Shining only after a tiny amount of people had seen it theatrically and that altered version became the version the majority of the world saw and fall in love with when it was originally shown theatrically. It had nothing to do with changing it 20 years after the fact for home video.

Exactly. How some people fail to understand this is beyond me.

[Beast]

Originally Posted by IndyMLVC

Exactly. How some people fail to understand this is beyond me.

Because... *GASP* we have a different opinion than you on the matter. Period.

[IndyMLVC]

Originally Posted by Beast

Because... *GASP* we have a different opinion than you on the matter. Period.

What was being argued above was not *GASP* opinion but fact.

If we're going to start arguing facts, then it makes sense that you love to defend George, who has made a career of attempting to change history.

[al cos.]

Kubrick's changes (which were not uncommon during the gradual rollout/roadshow days of a movies first few months of release) are not even remotely the same. Such a ridiculous comparison.

[Beast]

Yoda: "No! No different. Only different in your mind."

[Sylentwolf]

Originally Posted by NYorker

I don't want to reignite something that doesn't need to be, but if that's the actual quote, he sounds like a 10 year-old throwing a tantrum.

George Lucas Blames 'Star Wars' Critics for Killing Series

Sci-fi filmmaker hurt by harsh feedback from some fans about the prequels

Source : Zap2it By David Eckstein

For any fans awaiting future "Star Wars" films from George Lucas, it's going to be a long wait. The creator of the famed series says he's not going to make any more of these movies and that he's essentially retiring. And for that he blames the harsh feedback from certain fans.

"Why would I make any more when everybody yells at you all the time and says what a terrible person you are?" he tells The New York Times.

Bing: George Lucas on 'Indiana Jones 5'

Lucas continues to bash these critics despite the fact that their appreciation for the series helped it generate $4.4 billion in worldwide box-office sales.

"On the Internet, all those same guys that are complaining I made a change are completely changing the movie," Lucas says. "I'm saying: 'Fine. But my movie, with my name on it, that says I did it, needs to be the way I want it.'"

Lucas drew strong attacks from "Star Wars" fans for characters like Jar Jar Binks and for digital additions to the DVDs and re-releases of the six-part series.

"I'm moving away from the business, from the company, from all this kind of stuff," he says.

It sounds to me that this argument has been told over a million times on here and throughout the world-wide-web... but it looks or sounds to me like Mr. George Lucas is trying to bat a 1000% in directing, producing, etc, in films, and thinks that he couldn't be touched or capable of making a bad movie.

Whether or not this has something to do with the release of Red Tails, which I haven't seen (but truly do want to, looks fantastic) but it sounds to me like someone is being a bit selfish with his own opinions and/or arrogant with his opinions, and to hundreds of critics, and to millions of loyal movie goers alike.

When DOESN'T someone make a bad movie, in anyone's mind? Sorry Mr. Lucas, face it, it happens all the time in Hollywood. It happens to actors, actresses, editors, camera operators, cinematographers, producers, screenwriters, and even sir, DIRECTORS.

In times like these Mr. Lucas you either director, produce, etc another movie...
or in your own way, you just move on.

[PeterTHX]

Originally Posted by Sylentwolf

In times like these Mr. Lucas you either director, produce, etc another movie, or in your own way, you just move on.

Did you actually read the article?

BTW: a working link to the actual article itself:
http://www.nytimes.com/2012/01/22/magazine/george-lucas-red-tails.html?_r=1&ref=movies

There are literally thousands of threads across the internet that accuse Lucas of terrible things and call him worse, you need only look up a few posts to see examples. The posters who come to this thread on the Blu-ray solely for the purpose of bashing him and nothing more. If I were Lucas I wouldn't be so kind.

[Narcissus]

Originally Posted by Lope de Aguirre

Don't forget Obi Wan cutting of Anakins arms and legs and leaving him to slowly burn.

Originally Posted by IndyMLVC

Self-defense.

Obi Wan Bricked The Assignment. i would have said " I Am Sorry Anakin" then driven my Light saber through his skull before Kicking him into the lava along with his limbs. Cloning and all.

[Cook]

In the new york times article he sounds like Cartman from South Park when someone upsets him. "Screw you guys! I'm going home!" Or the kid on the playground who would taske his basketball and leave because someone said he sucks at the sport. If he cant take the heat maybe he should retire. I do feel bad that he feels the only option is retirement when it clearly isn't. He could please a big chunk of his fan-base by releasing the original cuts of the OT restored on blu-ray. Does he have to? Nope, but it would certainly be an awesome gesture of kindness and care. That kindness and care would be repaid.

Come on, George, these films aren't just for your enjoyment, but also for the audiences. Honestly, if he would release the original Star Wars in its original cut without all the Special Edition changes and add-ons I wouldn't have anything against him. That's my only gripe. I could care less that I don't like the prequels. I never really needed em in the fiirst place. They are for others to like. Me I just want the option to watch the pre-SE Star Wars in prestine quality on blu-ray along with the SE. Many other old movies have this option to watch different cuts in equally good quality. I would like the same with Star Wars, also.

Anyone have a guess when these might be sold separately? I'm only interested in A New Hope.

[Aquel]

Originally Posted by Narcissus

Obi Wan Bricked The Assignment. i would have said " I Am Sorry Anakin" then driven my Light saber through his skull before Kicking him into the lava along with his limbs. Cloning and all.

Well he knew him for like 13 years, where they were together most of the time. That's why he could kill the Acklay in Ep.2 (which was beaten and dying) and not ram a lightsaber through Anakin.

And you can't clone Force Sensitivity in a sane person (otherwise the Sith could use this trick every single time they wanted Power! Unlimited Power! ).

[s2mikey]

Watched Phantom Menace last night. The lightsaber fight in this is still fogging epic. Meeting Annakin for the first time is also great. Theres a lot to like in this flick and certainly some head scratching moments too. I like some of the politics and Palpatines slow transition to power which keeps going into EP2.

The Pod race brings out the smiling little kid in all of us.

For whatever reason, Jar Jar gets less annoying the more times I see this movie.

And, Qui Gon is my favorite prequel character and Im pissed he dies. He was a rouge but I LIKED that about him. His attitude towards greed being good and his grounded-in-reality take on things felt real instead of the always overly-mystical Jedi beliefs. I love how he doesnt always follow orders and just does whats right when factoring in the present situation.

[Brightstar]

Originally Posted by NYorker

You know, if they already took the left turn and went the 3D route, why not simply do the original Star Wars?

then no one will watch the prequel trilogy thats why.

[Monkey_Boy]

Originally Posted by joliefan

then no one will watch the prequel trilogy thats why.

Why do folks keep typing this? I mean, outta just 1,862 votes on a single interent forum 1,335 people voted for the complete trilogy to only 377 not purchasing (with at least some of whom purchased it anyway). I'm pretty sure the prequels will be just fine coming first with most folks in the world.