Star Wars: The Complete Saga (1977-2005)

[svenge]

Originally Posted by rickah88

Again, in your opinion he brought it on himself, but I'm sure Lucas doesn't feel that way.

George Lucas thought that Jar-Jar was a good idea as well. Doesn't make it so.

[rickah88]

Originally Posted by svenge

George Lucas thought that Jar-Jar was a good idea as well. Doesn't make it so.

To whom? You? Me?
Is there some regulated board that oversee all things Star Wars that declares what is fit for public liking, or not? Please direct me their location.

You hate all things post '84....got it!

[IndyMLVC]

Originally Posted by rickah88

Again, in your opinion he brought it on himself, but I'm sure Lucas doesn't feel that way. For most Content fans they aren't going to see it like that, or not even care either way.
I think all artists are "putting themselves out there" when the reveal their art for public consumption. You take the good with the bad. Lucas had a vision, and stuck to it. For me, that trumps my own personal wanting of the UOT.

As an artist, you'll forgive me if I think that's bullshit.

[Batmon77]

Originally Posted by rickah88

He actually didn't "bring it on himself", he re -created his art according to his various visions.

Fixed

[svenge]

Originally Posted by rickah88

To whom? You? Me?

Anyone above the age of four.

[Batmon77]

Originally Posted by rickah88

Lucas had a vision, and stuck to it.

How many times?

[IndyMLVC]

Originally Posted by Batmon77

How many times?

Yup. He sure had a vision. And then changed it again and again. And again. And again.

[Batmon77]

Originally Posted by IndyMLVC

Yup. He sure had a vision. And then changed it again and again. And again. And again.

rebels/Rebels

[svenge]

Originally Posted by IndyMLVC

Yup. He sure had a vision. And then changed it again and again. And again. And again.

He's likely got the artistic equivalent of macular degeneration.

[IndyMLVC]

Originally Posted by svenge

He's likely got the artistic equivalent of macular degeneration.

Let's call a spade a spade: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Narcissism

[thegoat]

Originally Posted by IndyMLVC

That's a good question. Obviously there have been releases on LD/DVD. I'm not so sure about Blu. They seem to mostly stick to theatrical cuts.

The only examples I can think of are Beauty and the Beast and the Lion King. The former was one of their debut BD titles, and it included the theatrical, the "Human Again" special edition version, and a workprint edition. The special edition was easy to create, since it was just one scene spliced into the movie, but still, it was an ideal release.

The Lion King had only the theatrical version on BD, even though a special edition exists on DVD and was released in IMAX. It was converted to 3D prior to its BD release, and some glitches remain on the 2D version (some clouds were missing, most notably, after Mufasa's spirit talked to Simba). Additionally, some remnants of the special edition carried over (a few shots were re-animated for the IMAX release that remain on the BD version). Personally, I attribute these to technical oversights than deliberate revisionism.

I'll bet that if the OUT is indeed being restored, it will end up like The Lion King, at least if the 4k restorations are working backwards from the 1997 prints. In other words, Han will shoot first, the original emperor and Anakin will be there, no Jabba in ANH, but we might end up with some muted laser wounds, a missing spaceship, or even some CG X-wings and Bespin windows if they really aren't paying attention.

[iamsometal]

Originally Posted by thegoat

The only examples I can think of are Beauty and the Beast and the Lion King. The former was one of their debut BD titles, and it included the theatrical, the "Human Again" special edition version, and a workprint edition. The special edition was easy to create, since it was just one scene spliced into the movie, but still, it was an ideal release.

The Lion King had only the theatrical version on BD, even though a special edition exists on DVD and was released in IMAX. It was converted to 3D prior to its BD release, and some glitches remain on the 2D version (some clouds were missing, most notably, after Mufasa's spirit talked to Simba). Additionally, some remnants of the special edition carried over (a few shots were re-animated for the IMAX release that remain on the BD version). Personally, I attribute these to technical oversights than deliberate revisionism.

I'll bet that if the OUT is indeed being restored, it will end up like The Lion King, at least if the 4k restorations are working backwards from the 1997 prints. In other words, Han will shoot first, the original emperor and Anakin will be there, no Jabba in ANH, but we might end up with some muted laser wounds, a missing spaceship, or even some CG X-wings and Bespin windows if they really aren't paying attention.

And I doubt I or anyone else would notice (or even care for that matter). As long as the scenes are restored that GL materially altered (Han and Greedo, Jabba in ANH, all the extra CGI crap thrown at the screen, the Wampa additions, the Bespin changes and additions, the original actors restored to the Emperor and Anakin Skywalker scenes, Jedi Rocks removed, Sarlacc pit, Vader's "NOOOOO!!!!", Yub Nub put back in)... I doubt anyone will notice if there are some remaining replacement elements from the SE's.

Though I think we all prefer LFL start from scratch with the original negatives (because you know they wouldn't have been "permanently damaged" as LFL PR tried to tell people a few years ago in scanning for the SE's). It'd be a shame if LFL can't do a better job than Harmy did with the Despecialized trilogy (which in itself was an incredible feat).

[Geoff D]

Originally Posted by Lord Method Man

I don't know anyone in "the younger crowd" who likes the PT. My nephews are at the prime age where they were between 5 - 14 when the PT came out and they're smart enough to see them as the insufferable crap that they are.

In fact I've only encountered about 12 people total in my entire life (this includes "online") who prefer the destructive Lucas revisions to the OT and the miserable, incompetently written and directed PT.

My 6-year-old nephew is sat in front of me right now playing with his Star Wars toys, which include Ahsoka Tano, padawan Obi-Wan from Phantom Menace, Anakin from Sith and Darth Maul. I think he's got Kit Fisto with him as well. And, of course, there's Artoo.

Like it or not, the prequels and Clone Wars HAVE reached a younger generation of fans which will be further bolstered by the Rebels cartoon, so liking Star Wars isn't solely the preserve of bitter men who are living squarely in the past. And by the way, that doesn't equate to me saying that 'the SE changes are AMAZING and that the UOT should never be released EVER', because most of the changes that are above and beyond mere technical upgrades are utterly superfluous and I'd buy the remastered UOT in a heartbeat. BUT I'm not so closed minded that I can't enjoy other aspects of Star Wars like the aforementioned prequels and the Clone Wars.

[edit]And for all the people crowing about how Ep VII is returning to the glory days (to tap in to the aforementioned "bitter men living squarely in the past" demographic ), you can bet your ass that when LFL have got that out of their system, they're gonna take the franchise into plenty of weird and wonderful new directions, which I'm all in favour of.

[Bruce Campbell]

[Geoff D]

Well Bruce, whether you're using that ironically or you just plain old hate anything Lucas did after 1984, that meme about sums it up.

[BouCoupDinkyDau]

Originally Posted by rickah88

Lucas had a vision, and stuck to it.

No he didn't. He's revised it and kept revising it until he finally had the smarts to remove it from his own hands.

Hell, if holographic movies are invented in 2075, I fully expect Lucas to rise from the grave, lumber into Lucasfilm, and screw with his movies some more, declaring, "The technology just wasn't available when I was alive. I always envisioned Star Wars as a fully immersive holographic experience. And this time, Greedo is going to kill Han, and Artoo is going to turn on his cloaking device behind that rock, because that's what I always wanted in the first place."

Jesus. The level of self-delusion in this thread is sometimes mind boggling.

[wormraper]

Originally Posted by Geoff D

Well Bruce, whether you're using that ironically or you just plain old hate anything Lucas did after 1984, that meme about sums it up.

besides Willow that about sums it up...

[Bruce Campbell]

I like Star Wars as a whole.

The prequels on their own really are bad films and I prefer the UOT version of the OT but the special editions don't take them from 5 stars down to 0. As a whole, prequels and special editions, I think it works and can watch them and enjoy it. I still skip Jedi Rocks every time, I would rather have electrodes placed on my genitals and given a shock than watch it again.

[BouCoupDinkyDau]

Originally Posted by Bruce Campbell

I like Star Wars as a whole.

The prequels on their own really are bad films and I prefer the UOT version of the OT but the special editions don't take them from 5 stars down to 0. As a whole, prequels and special editions, I think it works and can watch them and enjoy it. I still skip Jedi Rocks every time, I would rather have electrodes placed on my genitals and given a shock than watch it again.

If you cut Jar Jar out of Episode I, it's actually a decent film. Clones and Sith are lost causes though.

[Yami]

Originally Posted by thegoat

The only examples I can think of are Beauty and the Beast and the Lion King.

Fantasia is a film that I don't think has been released on DVD/Blu-Ray unaltered