Star Wars: The Complete Saga (1977-2005)

[DRS]

Originally Posted by P@t_Mtl

Sure you have every right to think so, no one can say to you that you don't have that right. It's too bad the creator of the movies think's otherwise

If it was what he had in mind from the start, he would have cast a younger actor to play Anakin at the end of ROTJ from the start.

Its nothing but revionist history to tie the movie into the new ones. Lucas proved with the prequels he no longer understood what made the original movies so great, so its no surprise his changes to the OT are marred by the same misunderstanding of the material he actually created.

[Jumpman]

DRS,

You're kind of over thinking it. It really was done as a visual clue for future audiences who won't see the saga as two separate trilogies.

If my son, who's 2, watches from Episode I to Episode VI and understands the films, naturally, he's going to want to see Anakin as he was in the very end.

From that perspective, it makes total sense.

[Beast]

Originally Posted by DRS

The point is he found his humanity even as a sith tainted decayed corpse. Its not about him remembering the man he used to be, but about him finally becoming the man he should be by doing the right thing.

Lucas and the facts stated right on film disagree with you. But whatever.

His original figure at the end of ROTJ fits that. He does not throw away 20 (?) years of his life. Even if that portion of his life was miserable and was filled with him doing terrible things, it led him to finding the son he never knew he had, and overcoming the darkness that filled him to finally be a father to Luke, even if it was the last thing he ever did.

Not really. All it does is suggest that Yoda was full of crap in his talk about them being luminous beings, not restrained by the crude matter of the flesh. Why would Anakin manifest as a man he doesn't accept or remember himself being? As the monster that he was twisted into becoming. Hell, if we go by your thoughts he should have manifested in his Darth Vader costume as well. That would suggest that they're luminous beings are restrained by the crude matter of the flesh. It's pretty much how your typical spirit mythology works. Showing up as a crusty old corpse makes no sense. And again, it's not like he's gonna be hanging around and playing catch with Luke.

The ghost at the end was his father as he looked as Darth Vader (healed obviously, otherwise Obi-Wan would be cut in half as a ghost), because it was as a man that age, that he truly once and for all overcame the darkness. A darkness that plagued Anakin even as a young man. He was hardly a pure and perfect Jedi, so the whole arguement about him appearing as he was when he was good is completely bunk as far as I'm concerned.

Which again makes no sense, for luminous beings unrestrained by the flesh.

Anakin basically died "In The Force" in the Prequels. He just was prevented from passing on and joining the force by the Emperor and the technology that kept him alive.

[P@t_Mtl]

Originally Posted by DRS

If it was what he had in mind from the start, he would have cast a younger actor to play Anakin at the end of ROTJ from the start.

Its nothing but revionist history to tie the movie into the new ones. Lucas proved with the prequels he no longer understood what made the original movies so great, so its no surprise his changes to the OT are marred by the same misunderstanding of the material he actually created.

Yes and I am sure that you have never once change your mind either, that you still think the same way you do now then when you were younger? That you don't see things different with the changes of years, that you have not made changes in your everyday life, that you plan everything when you were 18 years old and everything came together just like you wanted when you reach 40

So he saw something he miss 30 years ago and he figured let me make the changes now since Star Wars as grown in a different way then I tought it would have. Shame on him for not thinking about it 30 years ago. Us loyal fans would have done thing so much better then him.

[Beast]

Originally Posted by DRS

If it was what he had in mind from the start, he would have cast a younger actor to play Anakin at the end of ROTJ from the start.

Its nothing but revionist history to tie the movie into the new ones. Lucas proved with the prequels he no longer understood what made the original movies so great, so its no surprise his changes to the OT are marred by the same misunderstanding of the material he actually created.

He still needed an older actor to play the dying unmasked Vader. And he still would have had to recast and reshoot the scene when ever he got around to doing the Prequels. Cause no matter what actor he chooses, they're not going to match the appearance of the actor years (in this case many many years later) that was hired to play the Anakin Ghost. Sebastian Shaw's Humpty Dumpty ghost made sense at the time, because the Prequels hadn't been made yet. Once they were, the scene could be presented as it was intended.

Perhaps the only person who misunderstand the material is you. Because you don't have the insight.

[TheOneWithThePrize]

Originally Posted by Jumpman

Nope.

If he hasn't done it on DVD, he's not doing it on Blu Ray.

Originally Posted by Beast

It's called common sense and logic. And it tastes delicious.

And like the others have said, if he didn't do it on DVD. I doubt it's coming soon on Blu.

Common sense and logic says he'll recognise the loss of income in not putting out a product that has perhaps a small, yet considerable following.

He got flack for the versions he put out on DVD. No doubt he will mend his ways with a future Blu-ray release. The NY Times article does seem to indicate that the classics are coming albeit a few years off.

[Jumpman]

Technically, it wasn't that he missed the opportunity back in '83. In the time between Return of the Jedi and Phantom Menace, Lucas changed the overall story of what Star Wars was really about....

...and that meant changing the ending of Return of the Jedi.

From what I've always understood, Lucas was slightly disturbed by the popularity of Vader, yet it also fascinated him. From that point, he decided to change what the Saga was really about...change it to the "tragedy of Darth Vader."

[Jumpman]

Prize,

If he suffered from a loss of income off of those DVDs, the theatrical cuts would've been on this package. As stated yesterday, they're not going to be.

This guy's not changing his mind anytime soon...unless something really drastic happens.

[Beast]

Originally Posted by TheOneWithThePrize

Common sense and logic says he'll recognise the loss of income in not putting out a product that has perhaps a small, yet considerable following.

If he only cared about the cash, he would have released restored anamorphic cuts on DVD. Not to mention would release stuff like the Star Wars Holiday Special and other material that could make him a ton of cash, but chooses not to. Seems that his artistic choice takes the front seat over the cash.

He got flack for the versions he put out on DVD. No doubt he will mend his ways with a future Blu-ray release. The NY Times article does seem to indicate that the classics are coming albeit a few years off.

And he cares? If I were him, I wouldn't lose any sleep over a pack of whiny fanboys.

The original versions were nothing more than bonus material on the last DVD release. They weren't meant or intended to be re-released in a high quality manner. They're not the versions of the films that the creator recognizes anymore. And I fully support his artistic choice as the creator and the owner.

[Jumpman]

Beast,

Like you, I fully support Lucas. I just wish he'd be truthful as to why he won't release them on either DVD or Blu Ray fully restored, instead of the reasons he does give.

I mean, when it's all said and done, he just doesn't want to. To him, they were never definitive. And if you've ever read the "making of Star Wars" hardback, you can see why he doesn't favor them.

There's really nothing wrong with him admitting that...eventhough the fanbase obviously disagrees.

[TheOneWithThePrize]

Originally Posted by Jumpman

Prize,

If he suffered from a loss of income off of those DVDs, the theatrical cuts would've been on this package. As stated yesterday, they're not going to be.

Put the OOT on this package and loose income for a future double-dip? Right...

Lucas will release them, trust me. It'll be fun when they appear and I can say a big, fat "I told you so".

[Kryptonic]

Awesome. I can't wait to have these.

[Jumpman]

Prize,

The receipts from the '04 boxset say otherwise. That thing sold millions.

[Monolithium]

Originally Posted by DRS

The point is he found his humanity even as a sith tainted decayed corpse. Its not about him remembering the man he used to be, but about him finally becoming the man he should be by doing the right thing.

His original figure at the end of ROTJ fits that. He does not throw away 20 (?) years of his life. Even if that portion of his life was miserable and was filled with him doing terrible things, it led him to finding the son he never knew he had, and overcoming the darkness that filled him to finally be a father to Luke, even if it was the last thing he ever did.

The ghost at the end was his father as he looked as Darth Vader (healed obviously, otherwise Obi-Wan would be cut in half as a ghost), because it was as a man that age, that he truly once and for all overcame the darkness. A darkness that plagued Anakin even as a young man. He was hardly a pure and perfect Jedi as a youth, so the whole arguement about him appearing as he was when he was good is completely bunk as far as I'm concerned.

Well said.

I have found it interesting that the version of Anakin that appears in the 2004 version of Jedi is clearly from the ROTS era. You would think he would have reverted back to his younger, pre-Sand People genocide days.

[Pirate King]

It is somewhat amusing, that the people who are screaming for the original theatrical releases of episodes IV, V and VI of the Star Wars movies, are the same people who are not happy with the original theatrical releases of the Lord of the Rings. Quite amusing, actually.

[Beast]

Originally Posted by Pirate King

It is somewhat amusing, that the people who are screaming for the original theatrical releases of episodes IV, V and VI of the Star Wars movies, are the same people who are not happy with the original theatrical releases of the Lord of the Rings. Quite amusing, actually.

Welcome to the world of fanboys.

They also complained about the theatrical version of Star Trek: The Motion Picture being in the Blu-Ray set. And not the version that was able to present the film as the director intended that was released on DVD.

Basically, it's just anything that Lucas does that they hate. I assume it's jealousy.

[TheOneWithThePrize]

Originally Posted by Beast

If he only cared about the cash, he would have released restored anamorphic cuts on DVD. Not to mention would release stuff like the Star Wars Holiday Special and other material that could make him a ton of cash, but chooses not to. Seems that his artistic choice takes the front seat over the cash.

And he cares? If I were him, I wouldn't lose any sleep over a pack of whiny fanboys.

The original versions were nothing more than bonus material on the last DVD release. They weren't meant or intended to be re-released in a high quality manner. They're not the versions of the films that the creator recognizes anymore. And I fully support his artistic choice as the creator and the owner.

I wouldn't release the Holdiay Special either. At the time he put out the DVDs he didn't realise how much the fans cared to get a proper release of those. I'm sure he felt the LD masters would do. The OOT fans obviously felt otherwise.

The original versions are as valid as the SEs, they worked beautifully for a good 20 years. They were the starting block of Lucas empire and has as much a right to be properly represented on Blu-ray as the current or future versions.

Quit that "whiny fanboys" crap. It is getting stale.

[Mahatma]

Originally Posted by marvinski

I'm happy we finally have an official announcement from G. Lucas! Don't really care if it's one version or the other as long ass the PQ & AQ are at least 4.5!

I would be seriously surprised if the PQ&AQ is not 5/5.The DVD looked amazing considering SD limitations.With you on the versions.I would rather have the final edition with all the bells and whistles than both,or three versions on same disc with worse PQ.

[StereoMike]

Originally Posted by TheOneWithThePrize

Quit that "whiny fanboys" crap. It is getting stale.

Okay then, you have to quit whining as well...

[Monolithium]

Originally Posted by Stereomike

Okay then, you have to quit whining as well...

But if we quit with the whining, I'm pretty sure the internet would collapse.