Star Wars: The Complete Saga (1977-2005)

[gates70]

Originally Posted by Beast

I doubt he feels bad at all. See the "Han Shot First" T-Shirt he wore during filming of KotCS.

[Pondosinatra]

From what I heard these still contain all the flaws....boom mics, wrong color sabers, general screw ups etc. So now you'll be able to appreciate these mistakes in 1080p....

And no, I didn't go through the previous 3000 posts...

[El_Jay]

Originally Posted by Shaft Windu

If some changed lines in "Hamlet" written by Shakespeare himself would pop up it would be a literary sensation! If someone would find a hidden chapter from the "Lord Of The Rings" under Tolkiens floorboards HIS fans would treasure it! So why is George Lucas who created the most complex and ambitious piece of cinema ever treated like crap by his supposed "fans"? An author, filmmaker, artist owes his fans nothing simply because he doesn't choose his fans - The fans choose the thing they love and are drawn to.

I see it as a kind of cleansing-process right now. The large nerd-herd of conservative fans finds out right now that they actually don't get Star Wars and will abandon it. Simultanously a new generation will discover the movies on Blu-Ray and in theatres next year and fill that void. Star Wars is alive and more glorious than ever and it will prevail despite the endless bickering of painfully unimaginative naysayers! OVER AND OUT!

I didn't know what it truly meant to have completely diametrically opposed viewpoints until I read this post.

I could not disagree with this sentiment more if I devoted the rest of my life to it.

[LADodgers]

Originally Posted by Dynamo of Eternia

But there are some differences to keep in mind.

Back in 1997, the changes were a fresh, new thing. Sure, there were some people crying foul about them, but the controversy wasn't quite to the extent of what it would eventually become. Of course a major theatrical re-release of the Star Wars Trilogy was going to be success regardless of changes.
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Nice post but I disagree with the highlighted. The outcry was much more substantial that you might remember.

[nmycon]

Originally Posted by HeavyHitter

Wow, I might have to sell my 2004 DVD boxset for some good money at some point.

the 2004 set isn't going for much, maybe $30 or so. It's the 2006 DVDs that are more desirable because of the Laserdisc transfers on the bonus discs.

[georgec]

Originally Posted by jyenor

Katie Lucas is fiercely loyal to her fathers vision, she won't release the unfixed OT after her dad is dead and she takes over the franchise.

If she could be turned she would become a powerful ally...

[toddly6666]

Brand New Interview with Movie Entertainment Now reporter Peter Kats and George Lucas on August 31, 2011!!!

Here's a part of the interview:

Peter Kats: So we heard about the new Obi Wan scream and the blinking Ewoks, why did you make Darth Vader say, "no" twice in the final scene in Return of the Jedi?

George Lucas: First, the audio was always there. The sound of Palpatine's lightning bolts always drowned out the "no" spoken by Vader. In 2009, when we started working on the blu-rays, we were at a time with THX audio mixing equipment to pull out the lost dialogue from Vader. So, now we can finally hear Vader.

Peter Kats: Eventhough the blu-rays have not been released, there is quite a bunch of negative feedback floating around the net regarding the Vader "No" dialogue added to RTJ. Why do you think you needed to add the "No" back into the movie since that scene was so powerful anyway?

George Lucas: It's always more emotional to have a character say "No" after seeing or hearing something very traumatic or stressful. For example, the other night, I was really craving something sweet. I went into the freezer and I saw a pint of Carvel ice cream laying on the bottom shelf. But once I opened up the lid, I saw that there was about one spoonful of Rocky Road [the flavor]. I was so disappointed that there wasn't at least one serving of ice cream left, I literally screamed "no" out loud! I'm surprised I didn't wake up anyone. So if you can imagine someone getting really upset that there actually isn't any ice cream left in the freezer, can you imagine how a father would react to see his son be electrocuted by Darth Sidious? He would obviously say "no."

[MCT]

does anyone have a link to the documentary that came with the original 1997 SE release? It had interviews with everyone from Lucas to Mccallum. Lucas said something like, "I was watching the scene in Jabbas palace, and I thought, wouldn't it be FUNNY if they just started rocking out with horns out of nowhere?" I've been searching for it for years to no avail.

[Offender_Mullet]

Is it really Lucas doing all these changes? OR is it the super nerds who work for him that give him suggestions? I think it might be the latter, seeing as how he's probably sick of these movies by now (right?)

Originally Posted by MCT

the fact that you even have to ask makes it even worse

yes, its real. That scene is forever ruined for me now. I'll now hear "Nooo......NOOOOOOOOO!" even when watching the OT version on DVD. Lucas has officially destroyed the best scene in all of ROTJ....possibly the entire saga.

lol I'm sorry, I just caught that on aicn.com when I knew I should have gone back some pages in this thread. It was just so ridiculous I didn't think it was real. And yep! Now it's ruined for me as well.

And that Obi-Wan scene? LOL WOW. I'm not buying this. This is so ridiculous. Any real fans will agree. If you're one of those people who are still buying into the "Oh but it's George's vision".....you are the ultimate sucker.

[nmycon]

Originally Posted by MCT

does anyone have a link to the documentary that came with the original 1997 SE release? It had interviews with everyone from Lucas to Mccallum. Lucas said something like, "I was watching the scene in Jabbas palace, and I thought, wouldn't it be FUNNY if they just started rocking out with horns out of nowhere?" I've been searching for it for years to no avail.

was it "The Making of Star Wars"?

The only extra cassette I know of was in the Widescreen SE Collectors Set, and it was The Making of Star Wars (repack) that had been aroiund since the mid-80's

[Dynamo of Eternia]

Originally Posted by Shaft Windu

If some changed lines in "Hamlet" written by Shakespeare himself would pop up it would be a literary sensation! If someone would find a hidden chapter from the "Lord Of The Rings" under Tolkiens floorboards HIS fans would treasure it! So why is George Lucas who created the most complex and ambitious piece of cinema ever treated like crap by his supposed "fans"? An author, filmmaker, artist owes his fans nothing simply because he doesn't choose his fans - The fans choose the thing they love and are drawn to.

I see it as a kind of cleansing-process right now. The large nerd-herd of conservative fans finds out right now that they actually don't get Star Wars and will abandon it. Simultanously a new generation will discover the movies on Blu-Ray and in theatres next year and fill that void. Star Wars is alive and more glorious than ever and it will prevail despite the endless bickering of painfully unimaginative naysayers! OVER AND OUT!

Well, there would still potentially be a big difference... would those extra writings have been written roughly around the time of the original work?

I do feel that there's a difference between what Lucas is doing and a director going back years later to make a director's cut of a movie using footage that was actually filmed during the original production, when said director was just not happy with the original cut.

And even then, I still feel that the original version of the film should still be made available. Likewise if missing pages/chapters of the works of Tolkan or Shakespeare were to surface. They would be exciting discoveries for a number of reasons, but I'm sure many people wouldn't want the original versions of the works to suddenly become unavailable because of it. Apples and Oranges, sir... apples and oranges.

[earmullet]

Originally Posted by Bluoholic

I only have this to say... FU Lucas, pre-order canceled..

I've tolerated the changes over the years but this is just too much... I just can't listen this ball-less Vader saying nooos through my precious speakers.

Amen.

[svenge]

Originally Posted by facechubb

Good for her. Shes doing the right thing by defending her father. You people know that George Lucas and his daughter are human beings right?
Just checking...

George Lucas is more [marketing] machine now than man, twisted and evil.

[Cook]

Originally Posted by Shaft Windu

If some changed lines in "Hamlet" written by Shakespeare himself would pop up it would be a literary sensation! If someone would find a hidden chapter from the "Lord Of The Rings" under Tolkiens floorboards HIS fans would treasure it! So why is George Lucas who created the most complex and ambitious piece of cinema ever treated like crap by his supposed "fans"? An author, filmmaker, artist owes his fans nothing simply because he doesn't choose his fans - The fans choose the thing they love and are drawn to.

I see it as a kind of cleansing-process right now. The large nerd-herd of conservative fans finds out right now that they actually don't get Star Wars and will abandon it. Simultanously a new generation will discover the movies on Blu-Ray and in theatres next year and fill that void. Star Wars is alive and more glorious than ever and it will prevail despite the endless bickering of painfully unimaginative naysayers! OVER AND OUT!

Lmao! Star Wars, the most complex story in cinema? Lol, ok ignoring that, to say that the difference is that if a piece of Hamlet was to be found it wouldn't be shoehorned back into the story. You see we have the finished version of the play and we know Shakespeare would have included it if he wanted to so that doesn't relate to this situation.

Regarding LotR, all kinds of material and alternate versions have beem found by Tolkiens eatate. You can read it all in the History of Middle Earth books. Unlike this situation that material also isn't shoehorned into the book of LOTR. That doesn't relate to this situation either.

[Dynamo of Eternia]

Originally Posted by toddly6666

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george lucas: first, the audio was always there. The sound of palpatine's lightning bolts always drowned out the "no" spoken by vader. In 2009, when we started working on the blu-rays, we were at a time with thx audio mixing equipment to pull out the lost dialogue from vader. So, now we can finally hear vader.

Bull Crap!!!!

[MCT]

Originally Posted by toddly6666

George Lucas: It's always more emotional to have a character say "No" after seeing or hearing something very traumatic or stressful. For example, the other night, I was really craving something sweet. I went into the freezer and I saw a pint of Carvel ice cream laying on the bottom shelf. But once I opened up the lid, I saw that there was about one spoonful of Rocky Road [the flavor]. I was so disappointed that there wasn't at least one serving of ice cream left, I literally screamed "no" out loud! I'm surprised I didn't wake up anyone. So if you can imagine someone getting really upset that there actually isn't any ice cream left in the freezer, can you imagine how a father would react to see his son be electrocuted by Darth Sidious? He would obviously say "no."[/I]

[Beast]

Originally Posted by Offender_Mullet

Any real fans will agree. If you're one of those people who are still buying into the "Oh but it's George's vision".....you are the ultimate sucker.

Ahhh... the old "Real Fans" thing.

So people in the Anti-Lucas camp, you going to pop up to correct your fellow member about this?

I'm not a sucker for accepting the Artist and Creator's choices. Or for buying something I'll enjoy. That's just a silly comment.

[Snowmaker]

Originally Posted by Blu-Benny

i've been able to track down ep. 4 & 5 in the 2006 version so far!!

$13/shipped each.

jedi skyrocketed to $28 by the time i got home!!

so w/these dvd's and the saga on blu....i'll be happy.

They're OOP now? I just saw them at Target not even a few months ago.

Glad I got them for $10 each at Walmart when they first came out.

[nmycon]

Originally Posted by toddly6666

George Lucas: First, the audio was always there. The sound of Palpatine's lightning bolts always drowned out the "no" spoken by Vader. In 2009, when we started working on the blu-rays, we were at a time with THX audio mixing equipment to pull out the lost dialogue from Vader. So, now we can finally hear Vader.

All websites/blogs that have posted articles protesting the change should have a link to this quote as well.

[skyofcrack]

Originally Posted by StarksRevenge

IF Kasdan and Lucas had originally wanted Vader to say "NOOOO" they could have written it that way.

In the revised draft of Revenge of the Jedi from 1981, that scene is radically different.