Star Wars: The Complete Saga (1977-2005)

[Shaft Windu]

Originally Posted by dvdmike

So you are saying it you only watched the OT not the SE's and then watched the prequels, then you would not know the movies are related to each other???

It's an emotional argument. I want to watch the 6 movies as seamlessly as possible without stuff to throw me off. I appreciate that Lucas not just releases one movie after the other, without looking back but is concerned about how they play together.

[tigertron]

I don't know whats worse, Lucas adding that retarded "nooooooo" in ROTJ or the constant whining about how Lucas has destroyed Starwars?

Sure, Lucas has created new inconsistencies and made questionable decisions, but at the end of the day these aren't MASSIVE changes that will make the films unwatchable. For example, I'm just going to mute out the "noooo" bit to retain the scene's impact.

Unfortunatly these changes are here to stay and if one day Lucas decides to release the UOT I'm sure many will double dip but until then we're going to have to accept these changes and move on.

Personally, I'm still excited about the saga finally being released on Blu so I can enjoy the films in HD. I'm sure they'll showcase what Blu-ray is all about...excellent visuals and audio.

[dvdmike]

Originally Posted by Shaft Windu

It's an emotional argument. I want to watch the 6 movies as seamlessly as possible without stuff to throw me off. I appreciate that Lucas not just releases one movie after the other, without looking back but is concerned about how they play together.

It's not emotional at all, he is changing other Directors work not his own.
Plus if he gave people the choice then there would be no issue, the problem is he is making the choice for us.

[keithabbott]

Anyone who doesn't like any of the new changes needs remember, you were told in advance that the originals would never return. Remember this?

Star Wars One Last Time - YouTube

There's no reason to keep harping on the subject after all these years. You don't like the changes? Don't buy it. Move on already.

[DarthMarino]

Originally Posted by Shaft Windu

That's the mindset I was talking about! You hate Star Wars for 14 years now and want it restored to its pre-prequel form. You blindly hate any update not because you have good reason but because it differs from the version you saw as a child. If Lucas would just randomly change stuff to annoy fans he could have gone much, much further. With todays technology he could replace Jabba, the Rancor, Yoda and all the Ships with CGI - BUT HE WOULD NEVER DO THAT! He does a beautiful job in synching the trilogies and adapting the movies to each new format without undermining the integrity of each movie. For that the man has my respect!

I have not hated Star Wars for 14 years and I have been generally pretty supportive of most of the changes. Not to mention that I actually like the prequels and the Clone Wars TV series. The problem is that with every revision there are more and more things to take you out of the movie. Every time I hear Obi-Wan "yell" or whatever he's supposed to be doing, I will be taken out of the movie. Every time R2 magically escapes his new cave, I will be taken out of the movie. Every time Vader's lightsaber goes from red to pink to orange I am taken out of the movie. The more he tries to complete them, the less complete they feel. At this point, the classic Star Wars films are nothing more than a test bed for ILM to practice their FX work on.

[dvdmike]

Originally Posted by keithabbott

Anyone who doesn't like any of the new changes needs remember, you were told in advance that the originals would never return. Remember this?

Star Wars One Last Time - YouTube

There's no reason to keep harping on the subject after all these years. You don't like the changes? Don't buy it. Move on already.

How about people who were too young? or people who did not want the smeared THX ruined tapes and discs?

[P@t_Mtl]

Originally Posted by tigertron

Personally, I'm still excited about the saga finally being released on Blu so I can enjoy the films in HD. I'm sure they'll showcase what Blu-ray is all about...excellent visuals and audio.

Same here!

It's the reason I no longer will reply to those who do not like the change nor reply back to them when they attack me. Frankly I am tired of it! I am tired of having the type of stuff I want to buy with my own money put back in questions by others because it does not agree with them and being call a Lucas fanboy because I want to buy the entire saga as it's being release.

I plan on enjoying this Blu-ray release on the 16th and have a good time with it

[Valaquen]

Originally Posted by keithabbott

Anyone who doesn't like any of the new changes needs remember, you were told in advance that the originals would never return. Remember this?

Star Wars One Last Time - YouTube

There's no reason to keep harping on the subject after all these years. You don't like the changes? Don't buy it. Move on already.

It's kinda hard when Lucasfilm launch a massive campaign for the films, advertise and hype unseen footage and rare documentaries, offer upgraded sound and image - I mean, you don't have to buy the edited films, but to dangle all that in front of people who've bought all of your toys and cereals is just being a deliberate c***tease. He knows it.

[Shaft Windu]

Originally Posted by dvdmike

It's not emotional at all, he is changing other Directors work not his own.
Plus if he gave people the choice then there would be no issue, the problem is he is making the choice for us.

Even Empire and especially Jedi are Lucas movies. He just didn't want the day to day trouble of a director but they are his movies - period! I can understand him completely! Nobody has a "legal right" to demand a certain version of a movie to be released... How ist that supposed to play out? "Here are all 6 movies in a solid box-set how they are supposed to be watched together... and... oh, well... here are some older versions of 3 of them... well - for people who just hate the other three!" Who would do such a thing? Honestly!!!

Who would release a Star Wars Set for people who hate Star Wars???

[dvdmike]

Originally Posted by Shaft Windu

Even Empire and especially Jedi are Lucas movies. He just didn't want the day to day trouble of a director but they are his movies - period! I can understand him completely! Nobody has a "legal right" to demand a certain version of a movie to be released... How ist that supposed to play out? "Here are all 6 movies in a solid box-set how they are supposed to be watched together... and... oh, well... here are some older versions of 3 of them... well - for people who just hate the other three!" Who would do such a thing? Honestly!!!

Who would release a Star Wars Set for people who hate Star Wars???

Really? so he hired Kersh, his friend and teacher to do what he was told? Er no, you can make that argument with Marquand but you cannot ever with Kershner.
And yes everyone who is not you hates Star Wars, I liked the fun of seeing the SE's in the cinema but knew I could go home and pop in the Laserdiscs at anytime.

[LADodgers]

I agree with Bill Hunt in his last post that Episode IV is more like Joan Rivers than a classic film. It's just too bad the George Lucas does not respect his own work let alone the historical importance of his UOT. Those first two films like it or not are very important part of our film heritage and he has worked very hard to bring down those first two films to the level of the Prequel Trilogy. The anger for me was over years ago as now I find it kind of amusing just where he has taken these films. I think he was shooting for future generations to fall in love with this complete saga but these silly films 50 years from now will just be a footnote in History. People will still want the UOT even then because 1. They were better films and 2. Because of the supression they will be in high demand.

[Shaft Windu]

Originally Posted by dvdmike

How about people who were too young? or people who did not want the smeared THX ruined tapes and discs?

The people that were too young are better off with the current versions. Nobody who has the luxury to discover the 6 movies with an open mind for the first time needs to be molested or brainwashed by a bitter, angry mob!

[LADodgers]

Originally Posted by Shaft Windu

The people that were too young are better off with the current versions. Nobody who has the luxury to discover the 6 movies with an open mind for the first time needs to be molested or brainwashed by a bitter, angry mob!

The UOT will always be in higher demand even 50 to 100 years from now.

[RipleyLV426]

Originally Posted by greg_achen

I am indifferent to the cosmetic changes. Blinking Ewoks... new Jabba door... whatever. Those are superficial, to say the least.

But I cannot believe anyone genuinely believes the addition of any spoken dialogue by Vader during his redemption scene is actually a change for the better. How the scene played out originally in 1983, 1997, and 2004 is one of the best scenes of all six films and a favorite of many fans. It's also a scene that the PT actually enhances rather than detracts from in terms of emotional impact. You didn't need Vader saying anything to understand his internal conflict and the pain he was feeling in seeing his son writhing in pain. Through the imagery, editing, sound effects, and music, you understood exactly what Vader was thinking right before he picked up the Emperor to rid the galaxy of his evil once and for all. That, my friends, is an example of good filmmaking. It was poetic. It was beautiful. It was a moment Lucas should have been really proud to have executed so well originally.

I agree completely. I could live with the other tweaks to the original trilogy, but that "NOOooo" addition to the climactic scene just kills it. That one above all makes me angry. That scene always gave me chills, now it will always bring to mind that it's the wooden Hayden Christenson that's supposed to be under there from Episode 3. Why George, Why?!?!?

Side note...I'm pretty sure they added some red bloody shreddings to his sabered hand as well...that wasn't there before...anyone else think so?

Wish I could mute out that "NOOOo" clip while I was watching it..the video quality is too good to pass up so I have to get the original trilogy on blu though

[keithabbott]

Originally Posted by dvdmike

How about people who were too young? or people who did not want the smeared THX ruined tapes and discs?

There are laser discs out there. There are VHS tapes out there and now even since that trailer, there are DVDs out there. Everyone can own them if they really want them. Even people who weren't yet born at that time.

Some movies have yet to even be re-released on DVD or Blu-Ray, so like it or not you have to accept the circumstances as they are. Lucas came out said this is it...no more OOT after this. Either accept it or don't. But for people to continue to moan and groan about something that was determined years and years ago is fleeting. There are so many constructive things one could be doing other than getting all worked up over a movie that is still obtainable in it's original form.

That said, I would like to see the OOT fully restored and released on Blu-Ray. But I will accept if that day never comes.

[DarthMarino]

Originally Posted by Shaft Windu

Who would release a Star Wars Set for people who hate Star Wars???

Why do you keep saying that we hate Star Wars? We LOVE Star Wars and that's why we're here. If Pearl Harbor was updated with crap like this, no one would be on here complaining. The problem is that with every release, it's less Star Wars than the last. Luke's line about Artoo not tasting good is gone. Hans perfect intro is gone. Vader's emotional turn is gone. Lapti Nek is gone. Anakin as a ghost that Luke will recognize is gone. While any one of these things aren't enough to ruin the movies, it starts to add up after a while. Every release destroys a little part of why we fell in love with these things in the first place and like many fans, this release might have pushed it too far for me.

[Coov]

Originally Posted by Shaft Windu

Who would release a Star Wars Set for people who hate Star Wars???

OK... I am going to type this really, really slow so that you can understand this...
If you really love something you would not want it changed.

[NYorker]

Originally Posted by Shaft Windu

The people that were too young are better off with the current versions. Nobody who has the luxury to discover the 6 movies with an open mind for the first time needs to be molested or brainwashed by a bitter, angry mob!

Most certainly they're not.

And the fact that we strongly disagree with what GL has done doesn't make us a bitter, angry mob. The man doesn't even have the decency to release a version without these new "changes." Heck, you know what? even do it on a "on-demand" basis. But don't force-feed us a butchered version exclusively.

We have to watch 6 movies only to hear that pathetic "noooooooo" at the end...?

[mredman]

i don't get why Lucas even needs to fiddle with these movies every single time. He truly has OCD or something. because something must definitely be serious wrong with him.

I am glad that Steven Spielberg is the director of Indiana Jones. He does not change his movies. I fact i know no one that does. What an idiot.

What also baffles me is why can't he just release the "Original" unedited trilogy as well as seamless branching or something like that on the set.

I am still gonna buy it though. But this is really pissing me off

[Guitar Joe]

Originally Posted by Shaft Windu

Even Empire and especially Jedi are Lucas movies. He just didn't want the day to day trouble of a director but they are his movies - period! I can understand him completely! Nobody has a "legal right" to demand a certain version of a movie to be released... How ist that supposed to play out? "Here are all 6 movies in a solid box-set how they are supposed to be watched together... and... oh, well... here are some older versions of 3 of them... well - for people who just hate the other three!" Who would do such a thing? Honestly!!!

Who would release a Star Wars Set for people who hate Star Wars???

So he wanted someone else to make the movies while he gets all the credit? Nice!