Star Wars: The Complete Saga (1977-2005)

[jyenor]

If you had to pick just ONE of these things that bothers you more. What would it be?

The additional changes: cgi dug in jabba's palace, Vader screaming Noooo in ROTJ, blinking Ewoks, Artoo rock, etc.

OR

Lucasfilm promising to fix the saber effect/matte lines and then releasing the Blu-Ray with basically every saber and matte line issue from the 2004 DVD intact.

[El_Jay]

Originally Posted by BMM

Throw in Han shooting first again and Vader's "bring my shuttle line" restored and I would agree with you completely.

Yes, oops, the Greedo/Han thing is definitely one of those changes that needs reversed.

[whaleman]

Originally Posted by Dynamo of Eternia

Ummm.. okay... so are you suggesting that there are circumstances under which a lower quality VHS or VCD recording would look better than the DVD version? I really don't see how that makes any sense.

Maybe he meant if you have a really old tv that doesn't even have the audio/video component cable inputs the dvd won't even work and you will just be looking at a blank screen, whereas the vhs would hook up by those fork type connections and thus you'd see a better image on vhs.

[chip75]

George Lucas on the special editions:

“ There will only be one. And it won't be what I would call the "rough cut", it'll be the "final cut". The other one will be some sort of interesting artifact that people will look at and say, "There was an earlier draft of this." The same thing happens with plays and earlier drafts of books. In essence, films never get finished, they get abandoned. At some point, you're dragged off the picture kicking and screaming while somebody says, "Okay, it's done." That isn't really the way it should work. Occasionally, [you can] go back and get your cut of the video out there, which I did on both American Graffiti and THX 1138; that's the place where it will live forever. So what ends up being important in my mind is what the DVD version is going to look like, because that's what everybody is going to remember. The other versions will disappear. Even the 35 million tapes of Star Wars out there won't last more than 30 or 40 years. A hundred years from now, the only version of the movie that anyone will remember will be the DVD version [of the Special Edition], and you'll be able to project it on a 20' by 40' screen with perfect quality. I think it's the director's prerogative, not the studio's to go back and reinvent a movie. ”

"An Expanded Universe", American Cinematographer magazine, February 1997

We're going to remember the Blu-ray versions as well Mr Lucas. In fact some people will never forget them.

Quick question to everyone if the original theatrical versions were presented along side the 2011 editions, would you care about the changes?

I would probably be interested in them just as a curio and to see what exactly had changed but I wouldn't feel upset by any additions. It wouldn't bother me one bit. Now I'm thinking about the 2004 DVD and the '97 SE's quite fondly.

[Post Prod]

Originally Posted by chip75

George Lucas on the special editions:

We're going to remember the Blu-ray versions as well Mr Lucas. In fact some people will never forget them.

Quick question to everyone if the original theatrical versions were presented along side the 2011 editions, would you care about the changes?

I would probably be interested in them just as a curio and to see what exactly had changed but I wouldn't feel upset by any additions. It wouldn't bother me one bit. Now I'm thinking about the 2004 DVD and the '97 SE's quite fondly.

People would still complain.

If there was 8 versions of each film people would complain there are too many versions or that they need to be all on one disc with seamless branching.

and fans would still be complaining about the prequels.

George learned a while ago, the avenue to fortune is to dismiss those people.
and yet those people still obsess over his products.

[leftright5]

...that in ANH, when we first see the MF in the docking bay, IT HAS NO ANTENNA DISH...

I have noticed this every time I have watched the film and I am surprised that it never comes up in discussions about "fixes." I mean, it's only the most popular ship from the trilogy.

Oh: I will add my voice to this chorus in saying that I am DUMFOUNDED that the sabers have not been fixed. If GL expects/wants us to view these in the 1-6 order, then the sabers are the first, most obvious elements that need to be worked on; we are supposed to believe that Luke's saber is the very same one that Anakin used in ROTS. If you watch them back to back, that continuity is shaky.

Just another disgruntled, life-long fan stating the obvious...:-(

[Cobra33]

Originally Posted by Bukax42

I guess you've never heard about amazon.

well i dont order movies online, i prefer to buy in stores. so is the store price gonna be the same $90 pricetag or is it going to be more? what is best buy charging?

[HylianBowcaster]

Originally Posted by Cobra33

well i dont order movies online, i prefer to buy in stores. so is the store price gonna be the same $90 pricetag or is it going to be more? what is best buy charging?

I just preordered from Best Buy, it's 89.99.

[jdrouette]

My least favourite change in the whole shebang is the inclusion of the Jabba scene in SW. It's wrong in so many ways.

- It spoils the reveal of the Falcon when Luke sees it - "What a piece of junk!".

- It spoils the eventual reveal of Jabba in Jedi, and kills the suspense that worked so well (for years for those of us who grew up waiting between films), making us guess what this Jabba would eventually be like.

- And it makes Jabba's character much weaker by making this infamous gangster get up from his rusty thrown room to do his own dirty work; a job for which he had already hired Greedo.

[Bucky]

Originally Posted by Post Prod

People would still complain.

If there was 8 versions of each film people would complain there are too many versions or that they need to be all on one disc with seamless branching.

and fans would still be complaining about the prequels.

George learned a while ago, the avenue to fortune is to dismiss those people.
and yet those people still obsess over his products.

are you implying that people would complain no matter what?

[nathan_393]

Originally Posted by chip75

George Lucas on the special editions:

We're going to remember the Blu-ray versions as well Mr Lucas. In fact some people will never forget them.

Quick question to everyone if the original theatrical versions were presented along side the 2011 editions, would you care about the changes?

I would probably be interested in them just as a curio and to see what exactly had changed but I wouldn't feel upset by any additions. It wouldn't bother me one bit. Now I'm thinking about the 2004 DVD and the '97 SE's quite fondly.

I'd be ecstatic if the originals were included.
Every Blu-ray should strive to be presented in similar manners to the Alien Anthology and Blade Runner - which is to say, that every Blu-ray should be COMPLETE. I should have no reason to hold on to my DVDs when I upgrade and I should be in total HD bliss regardless of which version I want to watch.

Original mono/stereo tracks should be included as well, alongside the 5.1 remix. Both the original tracks and the remixes need to be presented in lossless.

These should be the rules. Unfortunately, they are not, which is why Star Wars is not likely to get the vote for Blu-ray of the Year from me.

[LADodgers]

Originally Posted by Post Prod

People would still complain.

If there was 8 versions of each film people would complain there are too many versions or that they need to be all on one disc with seamless branching.

and fans would still be complaining about the prequels.

George learned a while ago, the avenue to fortune is to dismiss those people.
and yet those people still obsess over his products.

Thats just an easy excuse for the GL apologist to use. If the UOT was released in the BD set in 1080p that would close the door on 99% of the arguments not only here but everywhere else.

[Fenny]

Originally Posted by 22soultaker

Everone like this please!

http://www.facebook.com/pages/Boycot...743842?sk=wall

You're kidding right?

[Falaskan]

Han and Gredo now shoot at the same time, and it's much more like a saloon dog fight, imo.

[Dynamo of Eternia]

Originally Posted by chip75

George Lucas on the special editions:

We're going to remember the Blu-ray versions as well Mr Lucas. In fact some people will never forget them.

Quick question to everyone if the original theatrical versions were presented along side the 2011 editions, would you care about the changes?

I would probably be interested in them just as a curio and to see what exactly had changed but I wouldn't feel upset by any additions. It wouldn't bother me one bit. Now I'm thinking about the 2004 DVD and the '97 SE's quite fondly.

Yeah, let's look at the last part of that quote from Lucas a little more closely:


"A hundred years from now, the only version of the movie that anyone will remember will be the DVD version [of the Special Edition], and you'll be able to project it on a 20' by 40' screen with perfect quality. I think it's the director's prerogative, not the studio's to go back and reinvent a movie. ”

Wow, what a big pile of word-barf. Let's play a game called spot the logical contradictions in this paragraph!

1. Lucas has tinkered with the films again, as chip75 pointed out, so the DVD versions are certainly not the final versions that will be remembered. But...

2. Is he suggesting that the DVDs, themselves can be projected on a 20 foot by 40 foot screen in "perfect" quality? As it is, most DVDs start to look pretty crappy on most modern 50 inch Hi-Def displays. So it sure as hell isn't going to look "perfect" on the size screen that he is suggesting here.

3. If it's the director's "prerogative" to go back and reinvent a movie, then he should never have touched 2 out of 3 movies in the OT (even if Kirschner gave his 'blessing' for TESB, there's still a difference between it being Kirchner's "prerogative", as in him initiating the process, and him just saying, "Okay" to it).

4. Assuming there no new Star Wars films are ever made and no new media is created around it after Lucas passes away, then by the time 100 years passes, Star Wars will likely become a relic. It won't be in the forefront of the general public's eyes. It will at best be more like a Citizen Kane... a movie that has a significant place in history, but one that at that point will mostly be appreciated by film enthusiasts and not the general public at large. As such, the film enthusiats will appreciate it for it's historical context, and will likely be well aware of the well documented changes to the films and the contraversy surrounding them. And they will more than realize that it was the original versions that had the significant historical impact in film history... not the updated editions.

[LADodgers]

Originally Posted by Falaskan

Han and Gredo now shoot at the same time, and it's much more like a saloon dog fight, imo.

you mean how greedo a bounty hunter sitting two feet from Han that already has his gun pointed right at him misses wide right by two feet? Gosh if there were a bounty on me I could only hope to get such a hunter. The whole premise is stupid! Han shot first, why? Because he was a sneaky cold blooded pirate!

[whaleman]

Originally Posted by Falaskan

Han and Gredo now shoot at the same time, and it's much more like a saloon dog fight, imo.

Does the new blu ray version make the time between shots different from the 2004 dvds? If they truly do shoot at the same time now it is an improvement in my eyes.

[killermike2178]

Originally Posted by Falaskan

Han and Gredo now shoot at the same time, and it's much more like a saloon dog fight, imo.

The only real problem with this that remains is that it makes no sense whatsoever for Greedo to miss, since he is 2 feet away from Han. I don't care how bad a shot he is. There is no reason he should miss.

[HeavyHitter]

Originally Posted by jdrouette

My least favourite change in the whole shebang is the inclusion of the Jabba scene in SW. It's wrong in so many ways.

- It spoils the reveal of the Falcon when Luke sees it - "What a piece of junk!".

- It spoils the eventual reveal of Jabba in Jedi, and kills the suspense that worked so well (for years for those of us who grew up waiting between films), making us guess what this Jabba would eventually be like.

- And it makes Jabba's character much weaker by making this infamous gangster get up from his rusty thrown room to do his own dirty work; a job for which he had already hired Greedo.

True, just another example (of many) of how the originals are superior in every way in terms of content and flow.

[Post Prod]

Originally Posted by LADodgers

Thats just an easy excuse for the GL apologist to use. If the UOT was released in the BD set in 1080p that would close the door on 99% of the arguments not only here but everywhere else.

If you've read any of my posts, I'm no apologist, I am however a realist.

and what I posted was in fact reality.
Now I could respond in kind and say "OH OH YOU JUST SAYIN THAT CUZ YOUS A HATER". But that's circular flimflam.

I've read far too many posts from people who complain about the changes in one breath and then in another complain changes or fixes still not made.

It's a high profile release in the internet age. Look at any thread for any high profile release and you will see people complaining. That's not to say some complaints have more merit than others.

How many boycott declarations did I read about LOTR EE simply because they were on two discs per movie? I've read people saying they won't buy the set because of the artwork.

Now yes, GL could make a lot of people less "complainy" by giving in and doing a HD release of the UOT. There would just be a sea of whiners instead of an ocean of them.