Star Wars: The Complete Saga (1977-2005)

[nathan_393]

Originally Posted by Harlock415

We can only hope that they are at least anamorphic, but they were not in the last release. And if they are struck from the LD masters again, they were not in HD to begin with. And according to LFL, they are the best versions available.

They are the best versions available.
Until they rescan the film negatives from the OT at a higher resolution.

[Beast]

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Star Wars Getting Re-Edited Again? Good!
Thursday, September 1st, 2011 at 4:30pm
by Graeme McMillan - Feature, Movies

George Lucas didn’t rape my childhood. With all the furor and outrage over even more changes being made to the Star Wars movies for the BluRay editions, I know that I’m supposed to get all upset again that the movies are being taken even further away from the originals, but… I just can’t be bothered. No, even worse than that: I’m not sure I fully understand why people are getting upset about it.

The latest changes, in particular, are pretty ridiculous to get bothered by: Some rocks have been CGI-ed in front of R2D2! There are more TIE fighters in a space battle! Obi-Wan is making a different unintelligible noise to scare off the sand people! So what? None of these things really change any of the actual story or performances from the movies. I can understand people getting upset about whether Han or Greedo shoots first, because that does change a character moment (Not to mention establish that Greedo is a very, very bad shot), but everything else…? They’re really, really cosmetic changes. To get upset about them, I think, suggests a “can’t see the forest for the trees” mentality a little bit.

After all, which is more important: The experience of watching the movie, or the movie remaining exactly as it did when you initially saw it? There’s been a certain fetishization of the Star Wars movies in their original forms, as if the original trilogy was somehow perfect when it was first released and somehow holy and unchangeable – and that’s very definitely not the case. Yes, the movies were a lot of fun, and yes, the slight shabbiness of certain things within the movies is definitely part of the charm, but… What really makes the movie work is the central story and the performances of the main actors, and both those things survive any and all amount of re-edits and special effects upgrades. Every time I see people complain about the movies being “ruined” with all the tinkering, I always wonder whether or not it was actually the movie they loved, or a very specific idea of the movie that they want to impose upon the world.

The odd thing is, in some perverse way, I think that it’s good that Lucas keeps changing things up. There’s something oddly reassuring about the fact that he keeps on trying to “improve” the movies, bring them closer to some platonic ideal of Star Wars that he keeps in his head, for me; some weird “He cares! It’s not just something that he walked away from when he was rich!” Does that make sense? It would have been easy enough for him to just release DVDs, BluRays and whatever and keep the cash flowing in that way, but he keeps the movies evolving, even though it pisses off the hardcore and cuts off that particular revenue stream (If Lucas was really just being mercenary, he’d release the original versions of the movies on BluRay as well; that he doesn’t says to me that he’s still invested in Star Wars as his story, for better or worse). Even if you don’t like the changes he’s making, surely there’s still something admirable in that…?

I have the feeling that I am, surprisingly even to myself, in favor of all the edits and special editions and redos, when it comes to Star Wars. I may not be that invested in seeing them, and I may wish that Lucas would just make a new movie instead of tinkering with his old ones, but… I don’t know. Despite myself, I like the idea of Lucas obsessed with “perfecting” his movies, even if the audience wants him to move on. There’s something in that that speaks to the idea of his being an “artist,” instead of a hack.

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[Beta Man]

Originally Posted by Beast

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I'm not sure what citing someone who agrees with you has anything to do with.


This isn't really one of those arguments that can be won by anyone, which I'm guessing is why you're enjoying it so much.

[Beast]

Originally Posted by Beta Man

I'm not sure what citing someone who agrees with you has anything to do with.


This isn't really one of those arguments that can be won by anyone, which I'm guessing is why you're enjoying it so much.

So... it's okay for people to link to people that agree with them if they hate the release....

But I link to someone who agrees with me about the release and I'm the bad guy? Yeah, someone's biased.

[LADodgers]

Do some of you get tired of going back and fourth over the same arguments? I find it funny that the thread is like a rollercoaster. For several pages it's all anti Lucas and then come the Pro Lucas supporters and they take it for several pages with both sides using whatever they can to try and prove a point. The kicker is that nobody is going to change their mind on the issue so its all kind of moot.

This thread has drained me just reading it.

[42041]

Originally Posted by LADodgers

The kicker is that nobody is going to change their mind on the issue so its all kind of moot.

hi there, welcome to the internet, i see you're new here

[22soultaker]

Originally Posted by LADodgers

Do some of you get tired of going back and fourth over the same arguments? I find it funny that the thread is like a rollercoaster. For several pages it's all anti Lucas and then come the Pro Lucas supporters and they take it for several pages with both sides using whatever they can to try and prove a point. The kicker is that nobody is going to change their mind on the issue so its all kind of moot.

We need something to do until there released. Dont you get tired of complainig about people complaining? =p

[Beta Man]

Originally Posted by Beast

So... it's okay for people to link to people that agree with them if they hate the release....

But I link to someone who agrees with me about the release and I'm the bad guy? Yeah, someone's biased.

I'm not biased.... I didn't go back and read through the last 20 pages of this nonsense that happened since I last logged onto this site.

I just opened the thread, read the last few posts, and commented on one.

I personally have no problems with the changes, and wouldn't mind seeing it unaltered either. I'm not a big enough fan to lose sleep at nights worrying about what is/isn't done to this.... and I'll buy it when the price drops a bit.


I'm glad you think I'm biased simply because I pointed out how ridiculous it is to argue about something that can be "won"

[georgec]

FOR THE LAST TIME STOP RESPONDING TO BEAST'S POSTS, PEOPLE.

He's baiting you and you're falling for it over and over again. This is not healthy for anybody in here. STOP.

[Post Prod]

Welp,

I'm still stoked as all hells to hear me some lossless Star Wars audio. I am quite excited for that, as much if not more than seeing the video. Seems the lions share of the upgrade from the HD broadcasts will be found in the audio. and the supplements.

[IndyMLVC]

Originally Posted by Beast

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Why is it that the only "sane" people are the ones who agree with you?

Biased, much?

[Mr. Movie Fan]

When you think about it none of the Star Wars films is as changed as "Blade Runner: The Director's Cut" is and everyone likes that version better seemingly. Only since 2007 has the theatrical cut been made available and is now mostly OOP.

As much as I disagree with Lucas Star Wars (IV) is his movie as is Return of The Jedi (it's true). The Empire Strikes Back was altered minimally and seemingly with the consent of the still living Kirshner.

Irving Kirshner made three of the greatest sequels in movie history (TESB, Never Say Never Again, and Robocop 2) and if he's alright with something than so am I.

* I know "Never Say Never Again" isn't a REAL Bond film, but then again Bond films aren't real anyway to begin with.

[mrpink134]

Originally Posted by Beast

So... it's okay for people to link to people that agree with them if they hate the release....

But I link to someone who agrees with me about the release and I'm the bad guy? Yeah, someone's biased.

Not cool trying to show up a mod!

[HyperRealist]

Originally Posted by nathan_393

They are the best versions available.
Until they rescan the film negatives from the OT at a higher resolution.

That ain't ever gonna happen. As I understand it. The original negatives of the first 3 films were chopped up to make the special editions so there are no more original versions unless they use a copy film print. In the Making of the special editions Lucas film talks about how bad the negitives were so they had to chop them up to scan them into the computer.

[octagon]

Originally Posted by Beast

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http://spinoff.comicbookresources.co...ed-again-good/

Does it seem odd to anybody else that this particular voice of sanity never quite got around to even mentioning the edit that has people up in arms in the first place?

He is right about the rocks, though. The rocks in front of R2 aren't a big deal. He was dead on there.

[Beta Man]

Originally Posted by mrpink134

Not cool trying to show up a mod!

He's free to disagree with me...... but I'm so charming, it'd be tough for him to hold a grudge

[LetoAtreides82]

Originally Posted by HyperRealist

Amazon are liars.... The non anamorphic theatricals are on bonus discs in that set.

The information isn't from Amazon. You can report it to them and they'll email the company that sent them the information.

[Beast]

Originally Posted by mrpink134

Not cool trying to show up a mod!

If he's gonna Call 'Em Like He Sees 'Em, I'm going to do the same thing in return.

Especially when he just admitted to not having read back through the Countless links to other sites.

Or the links to Amazon, where people are reviewing a set that hasn't even been released as of yet.

[nathan_393]

I'm just going to say that at this point, I'm still pretty stoked. Stoked because I want to watch the movies again, stoked cuz they're Blu-ray, stoked cuz it's lossless, and stoked cuz I can be. Damn any Vader "NOOOO" or new Obi-wan scream (it sounds stupid, but it's always sounded stupid). Not like it changes my life personally. I'm just going to watch them in Episodic order for the first time. Ever. Stoked.

[Beast]

Originally Posted by Beta Man

He's free to disagree with me...... but I'm so charming, it'd be tough for him to hold a grudge

This is true! Plus he did post a reply and explain that he wasn't aware of the last 20 pages.