Star Wars: The Complete Saga (1977-2005)

[Shaft Windu]

Originally Posted by Cinescott

You may be right; all of the changes are certainly not helping the OT.

I can't understand how GL will ever be successful in making the OT "look" like the PT. The one simple thing he could do (re-rotoscoping all the OT lightsabres) he hasn't done, so I'm confused. Also, I always felt that one really cool change to make ANH sound like all the others would be to get James Earl Jones back to re-do all of the Vader dialogue in the first Star Wars. it'd be an easy looping session, since no one would have to worry about lip synching, but I suppose GL is too cheap to pay JEJ twice, even though he only made $7,000 for the first movie.

Who ever said that Lucas wants the OT to look like the prequels? That's fan-talk... He always wanted Mos Eisley to be bigger and the music-number in Jabba's palace to be more elaborate. These to me are the most striking changes. The other stuff besides the restored Jabba scene are subtle adjustments of effects or new voiceovers (Boba Fett) to fit continuity and the occasional nod to the backstory (Palpatine in E5, Hayden in E6 and Vaders NOOOO). Fans are claiming he changed the films beyond recognition. Of course you can't watch the films and make yourself believe that these are the exact same versions you watched as a child. But honestly, is that more important than to keep the whole thing alive and breathing? If he really wanted to make the OT look like the prequels he could have gone all the way with digital characters with the rebels, a digital Yoda, Ackbar, TaunTaun, Rancor and Space Slug and CGI space battles! The criticism is way out of proportion...

[Weirded Wonder]

Originally Posted by Shallow_

Here are some of the things that baffle me. I was 8 in 1983 when I first saw Starwars, Saw it at a friends birthday party in october and then saw ESB and ROTJ the following summer I think.
For me it was always, and still is, all about the sci-fi action. The space battles and lightsaber fights. I never cared about well written dialogue when watching them, and I still dont. ESB was always the one with most talking and down time, and so was always the one I liked least.

ROTJ was too much of a kid movie ? they all were, they are, they are supposed to be.
After 'its a trap' when Millenium Falcon turns into the swarm of Tie Fighters/interceptors is one of my top fight sequences ever. That alone would be enough to place ROTJ in the number 2 spot right behind AOTC.
And that is also why AOTC is my favorite. The best space scene of the series 'seismic charges' the best lightsaber scenes 'obi wan-jango' and 'anakin-dokuu'.

So I am wondering.. Those of you who prefer ESB, did you always ? or did you outgrow the films that were primarily action based ??

I always loved Star Wars until The Empire Strikes Back came out. If you've never viewed it on the big screen, you need to. There is something amazing about hearing the crunch of the walkers and seeing them super-sized on screen. Most of the scenes were crafted with great care including the Star Wars Death Star Battle. The prequels look as if they tried to fit as many things on the screen at one time only because they could.

[Shallow_]

Originally Posted by Beard Esquire

I always loved Star Wars until The Empire Strikes Back came out. If you've never viewed it on the big screen, you need to. There is something amazing about hearing the crunch of the walkers and seeing them super-sized on screen. Most of the scenes were crafted with great care including the Star Wars Death Star Battle. The prequels look as if they tried to fit as many things on the screen at one time only because they could.

Hoth sequence is amazing yes, and I have seen em all on the big screen several times Didnt see Ep 4 on bigscreen until spec ed. in 97, but saw both ESB and ROTJ for the first time at theater back in 83 or 84..

[Chris81]

I first saw the Star Wars trilogy as a kid in the early 90s and ESB was my favorite right from the beginning.

My ranking is:
V
VI
IV
III
II
I

[killermike2178]

Originally Posted by Beard Esquire

I'm guessing TPMs is far superior?

"I'm a person and my name is Anakin!"

[HDPlasma]

From looking at the smooth DNR to add "clarity" to the PQ, the humorous Darth Vader - "No..........Nooooooooooooo" and the Ewoks blinking , this has to be the Robot Chicken version.

[whaleman]

Originally Posted by Cinescott

There are so many who feel AOTC is the worst of the whole saga, not just the prequels, but I don't agree either.

IMO (and I'll get slammed for this), my worst is ROTJ. I just can't take all the stupid stuff that happens in that movie, particularly after the masterpieces of IV and V. Great traditional effects, great Emperor/Luke/Vader scenes, but the bad parts just take me out of it. Let's face it, with AOTC after Episode I, almost anything would have looked better.

Here is the stuff in VI that bothers me the most:

Ewoks (yes, all of them, every scene. Just a stupid toy sell job)
Jedi Rocks (makes me want to disappear into the floor as a SW fan)
The Rancor (could it have looked any more fake?)
The Sarlac Pit (aka the giant 'p****' in the sand)
HC's Ghost (C'mon, George!)
Harrison Ford (Phone-in, and all the ridiculous pans for the camera)

Now, it's a tough call between I and VI for worst for me, but VI is just so bad IMO that it takes the trophy. Let's see, Jar Jar or Ewoks? Hmmmmmmmm. Do I want to lose my left one or is the right better? Episode I of Star Wars starts out with a tax dispute and goes downhill from there.

With AOTC, a better effort. Yes, the love story is as interesting as dirt. Yes, the dialogue is horrible. Yes, the CGI'd stormtroopers look fake. Yes, the story is all over the place and no one knows what the freak is going on half the time. Still, far less Jar Jar, no kid Anakin, and pretty awesome effects. I stand by my opinion.

People may ask why I am getting this set at all. Well, even at their worst, Star Wars films are still very watchable for me and IMO, V, IV, and III in that order are spectacular movies.

My list of best to worst: SW (ANH) - ESB - RotS - RotJ - AotC - TPM

I know a lot of people share your opinion and don't like Return of the Jedi. Personally while it's not as good as the rest of the OT, I love the second half of the movie - how can one rank TPM ahead of the movie that has the classic father vs son light saber duel, Vader saving Luke and redeeming himself, and end of the saga? I like AotC too, really TPM is the only of the series that I didn't like.

[Beast]

Originally Posted by Beard Esquire

I'm guessing TPMs is far superior?

No need to get huffy just because I don't consider Harrison Ford's acting in the films to be Oscar Worthy.

[toddly6666]

Regarding older generations not liking Ewoks, it's amazing how 1980's children are different from the children of today.

I always loved the Ewoks but hated Jar Jar Binks. (as a kid I hated the Ewoks action figures though. Having a Wicket figure would be the equivalent of having the action figure of Lando's bald assistant figurs.)
My 6 year old son loves Ewoks and Jar Jar Binks.
From what I remember when I was a kid, half of the kids loved Ewoks and the other half hated them. Those Ewok halloween costumes existed because kids did loved them.

The younger generations love the OT but since the Clone Wars cartoon exists, Anakin and young obi wan seem to get more love than even Old Obi Wan, Luke Skywalker, and Han Solo nowadays. I certainly dont hear any hatred to annoying goofy characters from kids these days.

[HDPlasma]

Originally Posted by Shaft Windu

Who ever said that Lucas wants the OT to look like the prequels? That's fan-talk... He always wanted Mos Eisley to be bigger and the music-number in Jabba's palace to be more elaborate. These to me are the most striking changes. The other stuff besides the restored Jabba scene are subtle adjustments of effects or new voiceovers (Boba Fett) to fit continuity and the occasional nod to the backstory (Palpatine in E5, Hayden in E6 and Vaders NOOOO). Fans are claiming he changed the films beyond recognition. Of course you can't watch the films and make yourself believe that these are the exact same versions you watched as a child. But honestly, is that more important than to keep the whole thing alive and breathing? If he really wanted to make the OT look like the prequels he could have gone all the way with digital characters with the rebels, a digital Yoda, Ackbar, TaunTaun, Rancor and Space Slug and CGI space battles! The criticism is way out of proportion...

Don't worry, the leaks of the changes we've been exposed to are the tip of the ice berg. GL didn't necessarily destroy the movies with the recent changes but he definitely did not change them for the better.

[Beast]

Originally Posted by whaleman

My list of best to worst: SW (ANH) - ESB - RotS - RotJ - AotC - TPM

I know a lot of people share your opinion and don't like Return of the Jedi. Personally while it's not as good as the rest of the OT, I love the second half of the movie - how can one rank TPM ahead of the movie that has the classic father vs son light saber duel, Vader saving Luke and redeeming himself, and end of the saga? I like AotC too, really TPM is the only of the series that I didn't like.

We're listing our favorites again? Man, how many times has that been done in this thread.

1. TPM
2. RotJ
3. ESB
4. RotS
5. AotC
6. ANH

ESB and RotS tend to flip flop position depending on my current mood. They're pretty much equal most of the time.

[Chris81]

Edit: The picture was confirmed to be faked. The scene has not been changed.

[Show spoiler]

[Beast]

Originally Posted by toddly6666

Having a Wicket figure would be the equivalent of having the action figure of Lando's bald assistant figurs.)

Hey Lobot was an awesome character. How could you hate his action figure?

[whaleman]

Originally Posted by Beast

We're listing our favorites again? Man, how many times has that been done in this thread.

1. TPM
2. RotJ
3. ESB
4. RotS
5. AotC
6. ANH

ESB and RotS tend to flip flop position depending on my current mood. They're pretty much equal most of the time.

You can't go 1500 pages without covering the same ground time and time again

ANH is the worst Star Wars movie? Thought I'd never see the day! But hey to each his own!

[Steelmaker]

Originally Posted by Shallow_

Here are some of the things that baffle me. I was 8 in 1983 when I first saw Starwars, Saw it at a friends birthday party in october and then saw ESB and ROTJ the following summer I think.
For me it was always, and still is, all about the sci-fi action. The space battles and lightsaber fights. I never cared about well written dialogue when watching them, and I still dont. ESB was always the one with most talking and down time, and so was always the one I liked least.

ROTJ was too much of a kid movie ? they all were, they are, they are supposed to be.
After 'its a trap' when Millenium Falcon turns into the swarm of Tie Fighters/interceptors is one of my top fight sequences ever. That alone would be enough to place ROTJ in the number 2 spot right behind AOTC.
And that is also why AOTC is my favorite. The best space scene of the series 'seismic charges' the best lightsaber scenes 'obi wan-jango' and 'anakin-dokuu'.

So I am wondering.. Those of you who prefer ESB, did you always ? or did you outgrow the films that were primarily action based ??

Yeah I'm with you. As a kid, The Empire Strikes Back was my least favorite of the 3 original films and Jedi was my favorite. I still feel this way today.

Regarding Jedi, the Ewoks NEVER bothered me. I thought they were comical and I LOVE the scenes that involve them thinking C3P0 is a deity. I thought the speeder bike chase scene in the woods was breath taking and STILL holds up very well today from an effects stand point. I LOVED it when Luke ignited that green lightsaber! I was like "woah!! Coooool!!!" I thought the rancor was awesome in a cheesy, Godzilla sort of way. Plus don't even get me started on all the amazing Vader/Luke/Emperor scenes and incredible space battle! Sorry but the way I see it, there isn't a whole lot NOT to love!!

I have grown to appreciate Empire more now that I am older but my "inner child" still enjoys watching ANH and Jedi more.

[Beast]

Originally Posted by Chris81

I found this picture in another forum. This might be another little change:

Wait... they possibly removed the infamous "Head Bang"? Oh man.... I hope that's not true.

Especially since Lucas even alluded to that moment in AotC's by having Jango bang his head on the Slave One's hatch.

[Kryptonic]

Hah. They finally fixed the Stormtrooper gaff. Only took 34 years...

[aramis109]

HAHA that's totally fake.

[Beast]

Of course, now someone needs to check their copy of AotC's and see if the Jango head bang has been removed as well.

[Merlinpants]

Originally Posted by Beast

Wait... they possibly removed the infamous "Head Bang"? Oh man.... I hope that's not true.

Especially since Lucas even alluded to that moment in AotC's by having Jango bang his head on the Slave One's hatch.

It's fan made..... Members of another well known forum taking the michael out of people on this one again.