Star Wars: The Complete Saga (1977-2005)

[georgec]

Originally Posted by Petyr_Baelish

I believe the movie made it fairly obvious.

Stating something obviously and that something being believable are two different tracks of thought.

Nobody's debating that the movie explicitly said Padme died of a "broken heart." What people are criticizing is that the death was made to be purely emotional/spiritual and that's weak writing. Those weird robots said she's "perfectly healthy" meaning that there wasn't any physical problem with her heart or other functioning organs.

In essence, the explanation given is bantha fodder. Had those robots said the choking and birth have stressed her vitals or something similar, it would have been more passable (and actually more tragic for Vader since he would have actually killed her). But...

"She's perfectly healthy but she's dying. Derp."

Yep, master stroke of writing there...

[Agent Bond]

Jabba the Hutt 1997 vs 2004 - Very Smooth Comparison - YouTube

The 1997 Jabba looked sh*tty as fu**!

[Petyr_Baelish]

Originally Posted by bmore007

So funny, I was just talking about this with my friends yesterday. No way she would bag out on her kids and just call it quits.

She doesn't even know her kids. For all you know, had she survived, she could have had postpartum depression and hung herself in the closet.

Originally Posted by georgec

Stating something obviously and that something being believable are two different tracks of thought.

Nobody's debating that the movie explicitly said Padme died of a "broken heart." What people are criticizing is that the death was made to be purely emotional/spiritual and that's weak writing. Those weird robots said she's "perfectly healthy" meaning that there wasn't any physical problem with her heart or other functioning organs.

In essence, the explanation given is bantha fodder. Had those robots said the choking and birth have stressed her vitals or something similar, it would have been more passable (and actually more tragic for Vader since he would have actually killed her). But...

"She's perfectly healthy but she's dying. Derp."

Yep, master stroke of writing there...

You do realize in every one of these movies, each of the characters worships "the force": some mystical spirit force that allows individuals to defy the laws of physics.

[bkbluray]

Originally Posted by octagon

A) The fact that she loved him at all was only marginally believable in the first place.

B) Padme was a queen and a senator and a warrior. Not a Winston Churchill 'fight from a bunker' type warrior but a blaster in hand type warrior. But we're supposed to believe this noble character would orphan her newborn twins? Because she just couldn't go on without her man?

Please.

I'm not up to date on feminist scholarship but I believe the technical term for that is 'bullshit'.

Great analysis. It's kind of like in Braveheart when the Princess was carrying William Wallace's child - she doesn't keel over and die just because

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. It can be safe to assume she loved him at least as much as Padme loved Anakin.

[octagon]

Originally Posted by Petyr_Baelish

So you think love is a weakness? I guess that's your opinion, but its obviously not George Lucas'.

Love is drug. And a battlefield. A many splendored battlefield. A many splendored battlefield that makes some men weep and other men sing.

Padme's death - essentially a suicide - was ridiculous and completely gutted her character.

[jtwise]

Originally Posted by Beard Esquire

I thought after the Holiday Special he would put Bea Arthur in for Leia.

hahahahahaha. Maybe he will work in the Holiday Special into one of the OT....

[bkbluray]

Originally Posted by bmore007

So funny, I was just talking about this with my friends yesterday. No way she would bag out on her kids and just call it quits.

LOL - very true. She would have the kids that would have the good parts of Anakin (hopefully )

Originally Posted by Petyr_Baelish

She doesn't even know her kids. For all you know, had she survived, she could have had postpartum depression and hung herself in the closet.

Yeah, yeah, that's obviously the more realistic thing. Her kids were probably going to turn out to be jerks anyways

[frogmort]

Originally Posted by NexusVerbal

... can you tell me who the main character in The Phantom Menace is?

This eopie:

[dcowboy7]

Originally Posted by Donat96

In the 9/11-9/17 Target ad, the Complete Saga is listed for $79.99.

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Thats a great spoiler....cant even open it.

edit:
have to click on the correct letters.

[Cook]

Originally Posted by Petyr_Baelish

She doesn't even know her kids. For all you know, had she survived, she could have had postpartum depression and hung herself in the closet.

Do you understand the bond between a mom and her child? They don't have to get to know their child to love them. A sane mother's love is almost completely unconditional from the first cry if not before. No sane mother would orphan her children because her husband was a evil POS.

Plus if she really thought he still had good in him she would have had reason from that to live also. She chose the easy way out and abandoned two newborns because she couldn't handle reality. Love is a deep bond but it doesn't make it ok to checkout on your children.

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I find myself somewhere in between on the prequels. Though they are definitely not as good as the OT (including Jedi), I still find them to be enjoyable movies. Definitely not 5-star movies in my book, but still enjoyable.

It would have been a great idea if they had hired a writer for the dialogue though.

[Kryptonic]

Man, that 1997 Jabba is hard to look at. Definitely one of the worst instances of CGI ever. It looks nothing like Jabba too. So happy they fixed it.

[bkbluray]

Originally Posted by Cook

Do you understand the bond between a mom and her child? They don't have to get to know their child to love them. A sane mother's love is almost completely unconditional from the first cry if not before. No sane mother would orphan her children because her husband was a evil POS.

Plus if she really thought he still had good in him she would have had reason from that to live also. She chose the easy way out and abandoned two newborns because she couldn't handle reality. Love is a deep bond but it doesn't make it ok to checkout on your children.

This.

[NexusVerbal]

Originally Posted by Petyr_Baelish

She doesn't even know her kids.

What a ridiculous thing to say. Of course she doesn't know them. They're just babies after all, who can't talk.

But they're her children. And most mothers will do anything to keep on living for their own.

Lucas just needed some way to wrap things up nicely, so he copped out on the writing.

If i were writing the film, I would have had Anakin kill her outright with the force choke. Obi Wan would have rushed her to the ship's infirmary to save the babies, while Anakin makes a cowardly getaway. Then Obi would have tracked Anakin down for the final battle.

With the final battle in tow, the Completed Death Star should have been in orbit of whatever planet they're on at this point, preparing to fire. So now, not only do Anakin and Obi Wan have to fight to the death, but they've got to fight to get the hell off the planet before it goes BOOM.

Film ends, Padme is dead on arrival but the babies have been saved.

[bkbluray]

Originally Posted by dcowboy7

Thats a great spoiler....cant even open it.

LOL - try clicking on each letter - I got it to open eventually

[Majoran]

Originally Posted by georgec

Stating something obviously and that something being believable are two different tracks of thought.

Nobody's debating that the movie explicitly said Padme died of a "broken heart." What people are criticizing is that the death was made to be purely emotional/spiritual and that's weak writing. Those weird robots said she's "perfectly healthy" meaning that there wasn't any physical problem with her heart or other functioning organs.

In essence, the explanation given is bantha fodder. Had those robots said the choking and birth have stressed her vitals or something similar, it would have been more passable (and actually more tragic for Vader since he would have actually killed her). But...

"She's perfectly healthy but she's dying. Derp."

Yep, master stroke of writing there...

Well we do ahve stories of people "giving up" after loosing a wife\husband, so its not tooo far off from reality. While some may have looked for a scientific or more hard set of why she died, doesnt mean what happened couldnt happen. We aslo see this with animals, for example when I was young I had two guinea pigs, one of them died givng birth, the other which they had both grown up together and always been close died about a week later...The end of RoTS goes to bolster Obi-wan's story that once Anakin became Vader, the person that was once Anakin "died" thus Vader killed Anakin (from a certain point of view )....

Of course now we are debating why a fictional character died in a fictional story with laser swords, space ships that fly faster then the speed of light and a mysterious thing called the force that gives you powers, but the way someone dies now is being questioned .......

[Post Prod]

Originally Posted by Beast

I don't think it makes her seem weak. It makes her love for Anakin seem tragic.

She could have avoided all of this... but she loved him too much. Flaws and all. She wasn't weak, she was human.

I don't think you can really judge her giving up on life as a rejection of her children. More of a tragic loss for the life she wanted with Anakin.

I don't judge her, I judge the writers. I'm ok with the concept, it just seemed like an odd thing to me. and yeah I gotta say it,pretty sexist, I know more than a few women who were really miffed by it after Padme had been such a strong character up to that point. To die because her feelings were hurt by her man. She's the only person I know of in the Star Wars films that died from feelings.

I'm not some hardened broseph that hates romance. I love a good romance. and I love ROTS. But that moment was pretty darn lame.

[Beast]

Originally Posted by Cook

Do you understand the bond between a mom and her child? They don't have to get to know their child to love them. A sane mother's love is almost completely unconditional from the first cry if not before. No sane mother would orphan her children because her husband was a evil POS.

Plus if she really thought he still had good in him she would have had reason from that to live also. She chose the easy way out and abandoned two newborns because she couldn't handle reality. Love is a deep bond but it doesn't make it ok to checkout on your children.

You haven't heard of Post Partum Depression have you? And suffering from PPD has nothing to do with sanity.

Also, again... it wasn't just the fact that her husband was evil. It goes far beyond that. Just have to watch the movies with an open mind.

But we're getting off topic for the Blu-ray again. So let's get back to that. Wonder when we'll hear news of changes to the other PT films.

[powerknowledge]

Originally Posted by octagon

I'm not up to date on feminist scholarship but I believe the technical term for that is 'bullshit'.

I am up to date on that scholarship. Your use of the terminology is completely correct.

[dcowboy7]

Originally Posted by bkbluray

LOL - try clicking on each letter - I got it to open eventually

Ah finally got it - thx.