Star Wars: The Complete Saga (1977-2005)

[beckmen]

Originally Posted by mredman

Take a look at this before you complain:
http://screenshotcomparison.com/comparison.php?id=78496

There isn't much else he could have done here. and he definitely got the best out of it as you can see from the atrocious HDTV screenshot

No. Just because the HDTV version is an awful over-all presentation, doesn't mean the actual film elements are bad. If they can make Aliens; a film shot on 16mm in a film stock that got discontinued for sucking too much; look beautiful...they can make this big-budget, 1999 35mm film look spectacular. All that comparison shows is two different ways to botch a film transfer.

We'll see how it all comes together in motion in 1080p on my 52" in a few weeks.

Originally Posted by merbermaniac123

I'm trying to reserve judgement until the actual blu rays are in my hands. I dont want to download the leaks either because I don't want to spoil anything. But so far, based on the screens I've seen, TPM looks the worst and the other 5 look really good. So besides the changes and whatnot, I'm still pretty excited for this release.

On a side note, this might seem like a dumb question, and it probably is, but I just bought the widescreen OUT on VHS and wanted to transfer it to dvd. But my VCR only has one audio out. So, are all VHS tapes mono?

Why not track down the 2006 LEs? They look so, so much better than VHS.

[Petyr_Baelish]

One more thing: doesn't Padme not want to be queen, apprehensively take on a role as senator and then abandon those duties to be married to a jedi? I don't think its not of her nature to quit.

[Post Prod]

Originally Posted by octagon

It was actually pretty touch and go with Obi-wan for a second or two. He saw a bright light and Qui-gon at the end of a tunnel but then he thought '**** this, I'll cut the little bastard's legs off, that's what I'll do'.

[phansson]

Originally Posted by El_Jay

Luke whines about 5 times in ANH, and it seems believable as a teenager who wants to rebel, not an emo who broods and sulks all the time.

Yes, but is ok for Jar Jar to act like a complete idiot in the first 3 films.....

[dcowboy7]

Originally Posted by goldenrod

Jabba's Rancor Keeper, Malakili?

Nope...

After Jabba's death at the Great Pit of Carkoon, Malakili broke Porcellus the cook out of Jabba's dungeon and they went on to found a restaurant in Mos Eisley called the Crystal Moon Restaurant.


The only person i can think of is as i mentioned Sycorax.
The OP was not specific in saying it had to be in the movies.

[octagon]

Originally Posted by Petyr_Baelish

One more thing: doesn't Padme not want to be queen, apprehensively take on a role as senator and then abandon those duties to be married to a jedi? I don't think its not of her nature to quit.

So she was suffering from sort of depression and suicide wasn't really outside her character.

You weren't kidding. You really are a romantic.

[georgec]

Originally Posted by Post Prod

Love is not a weakness. Being weak enough that love or lack of it kills you - is a weakness.

Maybe her midocholrian count wasn't high enough to deal with the lack of llove, it's known issue for most queens of Naboo.


Please give me a list of other Star Wars charters died of a broken heart.

Great post!

[Weirded Wonder]

Originally Posted by Petyr_Baelish

One more thing: doesn't Padme not want to be queen, apprehensively take on a role as senator and then abandon those duties to be married to a jedi? I don't think its not of her nature to quit.

I never could believe electing a little kid to be Queen.

[Cook]

Originally Posted by 42041

the characters are still human aren't they? fantasy scifi wouldnt be very interesting if it was just a bunch of unrelatable aliens... if their motivations, actions, and emotions are dictated by the need to shoehorn the plot where it needs to go rather than believable characterization, yes, it's unbelievable and sloppy plotting.

Agreed. Character motivation must make sense to the audience, and must be believable even in fanasty. The character's are what guide the audience through the story. If the audience doesn't buy the character or their motivations the audience will not buy the story.

[octagon]

Originally Posted by Cook

Agreed. Character motivation must make sense to the audience, and must be believable even in fanasty. The character's are what guide the audience through the story. If the audience doesn't buy the character or their motivations the audience will not buy the story.

Exactly, the willing suspension of disbelief isn't unconditional. A willingness to accept the rocket ships doesn't mean we have to accept anything and everthing thrown our way.

[Moviefan2k4]

Originally Posted by Beard Esquire

I never could believe electing a little kid to be Queen.

Why not? The Egyptians made Tutankhamun their King at 9 years old. Padme was supposed to be about 14 in "Phantom Menace".

[Post Prod]

Originally Posted by Petyr_Baelish

List:
Padme

wow, that was easy. How about you give me a list of starwars characters whose fathers are evil and they have to bring them back to the light side of the force?

Padme was obviously suffering from some kind of depression at the wrong time. I've never lost my husband and given birth at the same time, so its difficult for me to draw from experience. Whatever. I give up. You win.

we're only give one family story arc really, so there's nothing to compare it to. We do however see lots of characters die and all of them die from things things besides feelings.

Wasn't most of the character suffering form depression? I mean it was a general time of despair unless you were Sith.

Look, you don't think it's a weak willed way to die. I do. You don't think it contradicts her fight for survival for her story arc, I do.

We obviously disagree. and I'm not picky. I have done my share of making excuses for Star Wars, but I like to think I do draw the line somewhere.

Padme was an important, almost as important as Anakin to me. As a kid I wanted to know about mommy Skywalker. (and don't get me started about how her daughter can remember her). But I digress, her life and subsequent death was something I had anticipated being portrayed for along time. and When her death finally came I had an over whelming sense of "....really..that just happened..thats it?...you have to shi*ing me).

It felt like 12 year old girl did the script revision. Scratch that, even a 12 year old girl would want her to go out as brave as she lived. It's written like man in his mid 50's who is trying to write on behalf of a 12 year old girl.

There's nothing I can say to convince you of this and there is nothing you can say that will convince me otherwise.

[Chiyo_chichi]

I could buy into it because it seemed plausible enough for me. By the time Padme is old enough to be into boys she's thrust into this political world where she has to be constantly in attention to her reputation and people. With the responsibility of managing half a planet, and the need to have bodyguards in her likeness, having a decent social life doesn't seem realistic to me.

So now for the first time she's on a planet that's not Naboo (or Coruscant) and some cute kid starts giving her the old charm. He even gives her a small keepsake.

Anakin could have been the first person to show interest in her that way, and if that was the case, she would have responded strongly, I think.

[Post Prod]

Originally Posted by Moviefan2k4

Why not? The Egyptians made Tutankhamun their King at 9 years old. Padme was supposed to be about 14 in "Phantom Menace".

Yeah I'm also fine with the child queen thing and kind of liked it. The Gungans on the other hand...

[SixSpeedSamurai]

Originally Posted by Beard Esquire

Haha, yeah. She has the foresight to name her kids but not enough oomph to raise them. Maybe she sensed that Luke was going to be a big pain in the ass or knew it was going to be a big freaking problem to get child support from a dead beat half machine dad so she just decided enough was enough.

Luke just had daddy issues that would of not been there had his mom raised him. Now, Leia, there's a high maintainance girl.

[Beast]

Originally Posted by Beard Esquire

I never could believe electing a little kid to be Queen.

Talk to the British Royal Family. Or any Monarchy. It's not unheard of.

Besides, Naboo doesn't just give their elected Queens unlimited power. She has a council of Advisors.

[supersonic395]

Originally Posted by beckmen

No. Just because the HDTV version is an awful over-all presentation, doesn't mean the actual film elements are bad. If they can make Aliens; a film shot on 16mm in a film stock that got discontinued for sucking too much; look beautiful...they can make this big-budget, 1999 35mm film look spectacular.

So is today, "I have no facts, so I'll make up BS to support my argument" day?

Aliens was shot on 35mm Eastman stock at I believe 400T speed. It was new at the time (and would have been used as it would work well in low-light conditions, but gave Cameron a grainer look than expected. Imo the 4K scan makes it look awesome), and if you knew anything about film, you don't need 16mm for a grainy look. Fast film speeds (i.e. 400T, 500T etc) will give a grainy look. And besides, whilst that filmstock was discontinued, a newer version/variation was made and you can get an equivalent speed film today from either KodakEastman, or Fujifilm.

[Petyr_Baelish]

Originally Posted by octagon

Exactly, the willing suspension of disbelief isn't unconditional. A willingness to accept the rocket ships doesn't mean we have to accept anything and everthing thrown our way.

Maybe I don't think its possible for Luke to be attracted to his sister, until he finds out the truth. Or for Leia to kiss him on the mouth and claim she's always known. I can let this go, because I know George Lucas didn't have the whole story planned out.

Originally Posted by Post Prod

Yeah I'm also fine with the child queen thing and kind of liked it. The Gungans on the other hand...

Except unlike those other monarchies, they explain she was actually elected by people.

[chip75]

Originally Posted by Post Prod

Please give me a list of other Star Wars charters died of a broken heart.

This guy. It even exploded for dramatic effect....

PDVD_082.jpg

[georgec]

Originally Posted by Petyr_Baelish

Maybe I don't think its possible for Luke to be attracted to his sister, until he finds out the truth. Or for Leia to kiss him on the mouth and claim she's always known. I can let this go, because I know George Lucas didn't have the whole story planned out.