Star Wars: The Complete Saga (1977-2005)

[Beast]

Originally Posted by MCT

I can't believe I'm entertaining this comment, but honestly, you REALLY, TRUTHFULLY believe turning the subtly menacing Sarlacc into the Little Shop of Horrors plant was "for the better"?

Yep. Cause there was nothing menacing about the original Sarlaac.

It's a big hole with teeth ringing it. There's nothing scary or menacing about the original. Well, unless the movie Teeth scares you. Outside of the one pathetic tentacle we saw in the original version, it just seemed rediculous. So ... the creature only gets fed if something happens to fall in. Shocked it didn't starve to death.

Or the ridiculously stupid Jedi Rocks number in ROTJ?

Again, way better than the original Lapti Nek scene. Just seems more like the wild hopping type of entertainment that Jabba the Hutt would enjoy. Not to mention the CGI replacements for the bad puppets were great. If the band I hired delivered something like Lapti Nek, they would have been joining Oola in the Rancor pit.

Or Han having the reflexes of a mongoose on cocaine to avoid being shot at point blank range by a professional bounty hunter?

Doesn't bug me either way. Just shows what a horrible Bounty Hunter Greedo was. Guy clearly couldn't aim, and was full of his own ego that he thought he was gonna collect a bounty on Han when he just was delivering a warning. And please, Professional Bounty Hunter? Greedo was anything but. He was a glorified messanger.

[PeterTHX]

Originally Posted by AintNoSin

Well, it would be, because technically BD is a storage medium, not a video format. You could add 4K to a future BD spec (Profile 4.0? 5.0?) and it would then be Blu-ray.

The discs perhaps, but they would almost certainly rename it. HD DVD fell within DVD Forum spec. Even then, both consumers and some professionals mistook HD DVD players for DVD players that upconverted discs to 1080p!

For 4k I can also see them using one of those multilayer 500+GB type discs that protoypes have been floating around for the last few years. If they're still using discs when 4k is launched that is.

[Uxi]

Originally Posted by Beast

Yep. Cause there was nothing menacing about the original Sarlaac.

It's a big hole with teeth ringing it. There's nothing scary or menacing about the original. Well, unless the movie Teeth scares you. Outside of the one pathetic tentacle we saw in the original version, it just seemed rediculous. So ... the creature only gets fed if something happens to fall in. Shocked it didn't starve to death.

lol true that. It was just a big burping hole before. Adding a break and other tentacles isn't a big stretch.

Again, way better than the original Lapti Nek scene. Just seems more like the wild hopping type of entertainment that Jabba the Hutt would enjoy. Not to mention the CGI replacements for the bad puppets were great. If the band I hired delivered something like Lapti Nek, they would have been joining Oola in the Rancor pit.

ROFL. I see it as an expansion of the already silly scene, but excellent point about the puppets. I think they could use another CGI makeover ala Ep3 Yoda for BD. Hopefully!

Doesn't bug me either way. Just shows what a horrible Bounty Hunter Greedo was. Guy clearly couldn't aim, and was full of his own ego that he thought he was gonna collect a bounty on Han when he just was delivering a warning. And please, Professional Bounty Hunter? Greedo was anything but. He was a glorified messanger.

Greedo's aim (or lack thereof) is far more conspicuous than Han's agility in that shot. About the only way I can see him shooting at all is if he did a Johnny Rico with a hole in his head and gurgles something before firing off a wild shot to the ceiling. But Lucas would never go for that.

[PeterTHX]

Originally Posted by Beast

Yep. Cause there was nothing menacing about the original Sarlaac.

It's a big hole with teeth ringing it. There's nothing scary or menacing about the original. Well, unless the movie Teeth scares you. Outside of the one pathetic tentacle we saw in the original version, it just seemed rediculous. So ... the creature only gets fed if something happens to fall in. Shocked it didn't starve to death.

A big rubbery/vinyl looking hole at that. I expected a kid's bouncy house at the bottom of it.

Again, way better than the original Lapti Nek scene. Just seems more like the wild hopping type of entertainment that Jabba the Hutt would enjoy. Not to mention the CGI replacements for the bad puppets were great. If the band I hired delivered something like Lapti Nek, they would have been joining Oola in the Rancor pit.

Plus the music is less disco-ey/early 80's sounding. Like it or not, Jedi Rocks' type of music is a lot less period specific.

Doesn't bug me either way. Just shows what a horrible Bounty Hunter Greedo was. Guy clearly couldn't aim, and was full of his own ego that he thought he was gonna collect a bounty on Han when he just was delivering a warning.

Remember that deleted scene from Episode I where Anakin beats up 'lil Greedo too.

[Beast]

Yeah, Greedo was just a pathetic individual.

I am amused how badly treated in the EU he is also.

Like the fact that to dispose of Greedo's body, they fermented it and sold it as booze to Jabba.

"After Greedo's death, Wuher and his new droid companion, C2-R4, claimed the bounty hunter's body and ground it up into a powerful liqueur. All that remained of Greedo afterward was his head, which Wuher (having taken a dislike to Greedo while he was still alive) impaled on a spike."

[StereoMike]

Originally Posted by PeterTHX

A big rubbery/vinyl looking hole at that. I expected a kid's bouncy house at the bottom of it.

[Batman1980]

Originally Posted by PeterTHX

A big rubbery/vinyl looking hole at that. I expected a kid's bouncy house at the bottom of it.



Plus the music is less disco-ey/early 80's sounding. Like it or not, Jedi Rocks' type of music is a lot less period specific.



Remember that deleted scene from Episode I where Anakin beats up 'lil Greedo too.

Wow Greedo may actually be more pathetic than Jar Jar or C-3P0

[MCT]

Originally Posted by Beast

Yep. Cause there was nothing menacing about the original Sarlaac.

It's a big hole with teeth ringing it. There's nothing scary or menacing about the original.

*sigh*

you totally missed the point of the Sarlacc then. It's a metaphor. A giant hole that resembles a vagina that swallows men whole and digests them over a period of 1000 years...it's supposed to be Lucas' swipe at Marcia, since they were going through a nasty divorce at the time, I believe. It's brilliant and clever, one of the few things Lucas has done in the last 30 years that I can honestly say that about with a straight face. Adding in CGI tentacles and a beak, which look horrible anyways, cheapens the effect and the meaning behind it.

Again, way better than the original Lapti Nek scene. Just seems more like the wild hopping type of entertainment that Jabba the Hutt would enjoy. Not to mention the CGI replacements for the bad puppets were great. If the band I hired delivered something like Lapti Nek, they would have been joining Oola in the Rancor pit.

CGI doesn't make everything better. You call those puppets cheap, but there was a certain charm to them, and it took alot of work to bring them to life. Just as how the original Invasion Of The Body Snatchers has some of "worst" SFX in cinema history compared to the remake, there's still something to be said about the effort and intent behind them. Again, you miss the point by looking at things in this superficial manner. And the CGI "great"? With an ugly looking midget dogmonkey screaming at the top of lungs directly into the camera? Oooookaaaayy......rock on, lil' buddy

Doesn't bug me either way. Just shows what a horrible Bounty Hunter Greedo was.

Beast, NOBODY could miss a shot at that close range. Greedo was literally sitting 2 feet away from him with the blaster pointed directly at his body. And even if he was somehow that bad of a shot, you still can't explain Han's reflexes...he clearly moves his neck to avoid the blaster shot, and unless he was bitten by a radioactive spider prior to that encounter, there's no way he could have done that. It's one thing to be a fanboy, it's another to be totally unreasonable.

[Batman1980]

Originally Posted by MCT

*sigh*

you totally missed the point of the Sarlacc then. It's a metaphor. A giant hole that resembles a vagina that swallows men whole and digests them over a period of 1000 years...it's supposed to be Lucas' swipe at Marcia, since they were going through a nasty divorce at the time, I believe. It's brilliant and clever, one of the few things Lucas has done in the last 30 years that I can honestly say that about with a straight face. Adding in CGI tentacles and a beak, which look horrible anyways, cheapens the effect and the meaning behind it.



CGI doesn't make everything better. You call those puppets cheap, but there was a certain charm to them, and it took alot of work to bring them to life. Just as how the original Invasion Of The Body Snatchers has some of "worst" SFX in cinema history compared to the remake, there's still something to be said about the effort and intent behind them. Again, you miss the point by looking at things in this superficial manner. And the CGI "great"? With an ugly looking midget dogmonkey screaming at the top of lungs directly into the camera? Oooookaaaayy......rock on, lil' buddy



Beast, NOBODY could miss a shot at that close range. Greedo was literally sitting 2 feet away from him with the blaster pointed directly at his body. And even if he was somehow that bad of a shot, you still can't explain Han's reflexes...he clearly moves his neck to avoid the blaster shot, and unless he was bitten by a radioactive spider prior to that encounter, there's no way he could have done that. It's one thing to be a fanboy, it's another to be totally unreasonable.

Yup my 2 year old niece could make that shot and she's never fired a gun before. I need to get a Greedo shot first shirt, though.

[al cos.]

Originally Posted by PeterTHX

Plus the music is less disco-ey/early 80's sounding. Like it or not, Jedi Rocks' type of music is a lot less period specific.

Too bad nothing is more period-specific than 90s CGI. It might as well be Ace of Base playing the band.

[MCT]

I mean those type of comments go hand in hand with the morons who say things like, "the Obi Wan/Vader fight in ANH is the worst fight in the saga!" The choreography wasn't the best, but people who focus on that aspect are clueless. It's not about the moves, it's about the MEANING behind the duel. There's a certain weight thats carried in that fight that the utterly pointless saber duels in the prequels (other than Obi Wan/Anakin) never had. So Darth Maul and McGregor do a bunch of fancy flips and saber twirls...big whoop. It's nice to look at, but Maul is killed, and even before the fight began, Obi Wan was such a douche that I didn't care if he lived or died, as opposed to the likeable sage that he was in ANH. So chiding the OT for it's "outdated" effects, but praising the soulless artificialness that defines the prequels in the same breath, just doesn't register with me. I can't understand people who think in this manner. I don't want to understand people who think in this manner. And it's not like I'm 50 years old or something. I'm only 30, but even I can appreciate the beauty of relatively practical effects used in movies made before/not long after my birth. Sad that some others will never do the same.

[Beast]

Originally Posted by MCT

*sigh*

you totally missed the point of the Sarlacc then. It's a metaphor. A giant hole that resembles a vagina that swallows men whole and digests them over a period of 1000 years...it's supposed to be Lucas' swipe at Marcia, since they were going through a nasty divorce at the time, I believe. It's brilliant and clever, one of the few things Lucas has done in the last 30 years that I can honestly say that about with a straight face. Adding in CGI tentacles and a beak, which look horrible anyways, cheapens the effect and the meaning behind it.

Didn't miss the point at all. Just that it looked cheap and got a much needed make-over in the Special Edition release. You like the utterly laughable original, well.... go watch it on VHS, Laserdisc, or DVD. It's there for you.

CGI doesn't make everything better. You call those puppets cheap, but there was a certain charm to them, and it took alot of work to bring them to life. Just as how the original Invasion Of The Body Snatchers has some of "worst" SFX in cinema history compared to the remake, there's still something to be said about the effort and intent behind them. Again, you miss the point by looking at things in this superficial manner. And the CGI "great"? With an ugly looking midget dogmonkey screaming at the top of lungs directly into the camera? Oooookaaaayy......rock on, lil' buddy

There's nothing charming about the puppet that was replaced, Sy Snootles.

Considering her mouth didn't work and you could even see the wire attaching it to the microphone in some of the shots. So yeah, I'll stick with cheap. There's a reason why she was replaced, and Droopy McCool and Max Rebo weren't. I don't miss the point at all, the original song and music felt like it didn't belong at all in the film. At least Jedi Rocks does. And what's wrong with Yoh Yowza? It was great to finally see a Yuzzum on the big screen that wasn't just leaning against a wall in couple brief shots. Sorry you hate fun so much.

Beast, NOBODY could miss a shot at that close range. Greedo was literally sitting 2 feet away from him with the blaster pointed directly at his body. And even if he was somehow that bad of a shot, you still can't explain Han's reflexes...he clearly moves his neck to avoid the blaster shot, and unless he was bitten by a radioactive spider prior to that encounter, there's no way he could have done that. It's one thing to be a fanboy, it's another to be totally unreasonable.

Sure you could.... if you had bisected fly eyes like Greedo did. Break a pair of glasses and put them on and get back to me if you could see good enough to aim perfectly. Plus I always took it as a bit of an injoke to all the complaining you heard about on the set, with Greedo's fingers making it difficult to get him to aim correctly. So it seemed like a pretty fitting wink wink nudge nudge. All Han did was shift his body to the side when he saw Greedo's grip on the trigger tightening and preparing to fire. Sheesh. Overreact much?

[Batman1980]

Originally Posted by Beast

Didn't miss the point at all. Just that it looked cheap and got a much needed make-over in the Special Edition release. You like the utterly laughable original, well.... go watch it on VHS, Laserdisc, or DVD. It's there for you.

There's nothing charming about the puppet that was replaced, Sy Snootles.

Considering her mouth didn't work and you could even see the wire attaching it to the microphone in some of the shots. So yeah, I'll stick with cheap. There's a reason why she was replaced, and Droopy McCool and Max Rebo weren't. I don't miss the point at all, the original song and music felt like it didn't belong at all in the film. At least Jedi Rocks does. And what's wrong with Yoh Yowza? It was great to finally see a Yuzzum on the big screen that wasn't just leaning against a wall in couple brief shots.

Sure you could.... if you had bisected fly eyes like Greedo did. Break a pair of glasses and put them on and get back to me if you could see good enough to aim perfectly. Plus I always took it as a bit of an injoke to all the complaining you heard about on the set, with Greedo's fingers making it difficult to get him to aim correctly. So it seemed like a pretty fitting wink wink nudge nudge. All Han did was shift his body to the side when he saw Greedo's grip on the trigger tightening and preparing to fire. Sheesh. Overreact much?

If the guy can't see properly and has problems firing his weapon then he's a pretty sorry excuse for a bounty hunter and probably shouldn't have been in that cantina.

[Beast]

Originally Posted by al cos.

Too bad nothing is more period-specific than 90s CGI. It might as well be Ace of Base playing the band.

Don't you mean mid-2000's CGI? And it still looks eons better than shoddy puppets.

[Beast]

Originally Posted by Gandalf Stormcrow

If the guy can't see properly and has problems firing his weapon then he's a pretty sorry excuse for a bounty hunter and probably shouldn't have been in that cantina.

That was kinda the point. Why do you think Greedo was a huge joke? Even before the SEs.

[MCT]

Originally Posted by Beast

Didn't miss the point at all. Just that it looked cheap and got a much needed make-over in the Special Edition release.

these two statements conflict with each other. They do not match, man. Sorry.

And what's wrong with Yoh Yowza? It was great to finally see a Yuzzum on the big screen that wasn't just leaning against a wall in couple brief shots.

My life was fine before I knew what the hell a Yuzzum or Fuzzie Wuzzie was in my fanboy heydays...adding a gotdamn Yuzzum into ROTJ does nothing to excite me. If Yuzzums exist soley to scream into the camera in the most obnoxious manner possible, then I hope they all died in a Yuzhan Vong invasion.

All Han did was shift his body to the side when he saw Greedo's grip on the trigger tightening. Sheesh. Overreact much?

now you're just making fun of me

[brettallica]

I'll gladly drop two-hundy on "The Ultimate Box Set, including all 6 movies and all versions (SE and Unaltered)" if it is available. Extras would be nice, but I don't need them. Imagine that sexy box set on your Blu-ray shelf! Man, I can't wait!

[mjbethancourt]

Originally Posted by Beast

Sure you could.... if you had bisected fly eyes like Greedo did. Break a pair of glasses and put them on and get back to me if you could see good enough to aim perfectly. Plus I always took it as a bit of an injoke to all the complaining you heard about on the set, with Greedo's fingers making it difficult to get him to aim correctly. So it seemed like a pretty fitting wink wink nudge nudge. All Han did was shift his body to the side when he saw Greedo's grip on the trigger tightening and preparing to fire. Sheesh. Overreact much?

Of course Greedo could miss a "point-blank" shot... didn't anybody see 'Unforgiven'? A rushed shot is a bad shot, even from a professional killer, and even at point-blank range. Plus, they're hanging out in a bar: how do we know Greedo hasn't "thrown a few back" and is going on diminished judgement and reflexes?

[Beast]

Originally Posted by MCT

I mean those type of comments go hand in hand with the morons who say things like, "the Obi Wan/Vader fight in ANH is the worst fight in the saga!" The choreography wasn't the best, but people who focus on that aspect are clueless.

It doesn't make them morons to recognize the weakness of that duel.

Again, if it wasn't for the conflict or the dialogue.. the scene would have been a huge fail.

It's not about the moves, it's about the MEANING behind the duel.

Well if it's not about the movies, then I guess it doesn't hurt to update them.

There's a certain weight thats carried in that fight that the utterly pointless saber duels in the prequels (other than Obi Wan/Anakin) never had. So Darth Maul and McGregor do a bunch of fancy flips and saber twirls...big whoop. It's nice to look at, but Maul is killed, and even before the fight began, Obi Wan was such a douche that I didn't care if he lived or died, as opposed to the likeable sage that he was in ANH.

Eh, not really. The E1 duel has some problems. But at least it's energetic.
The Obi-Wan/Vader duel in EIV was weak. Thankfully the duels in the other films are better. And what's wrong with Obi-Wan in the prequels? Didn't Obi-Wan himself pretty much state that he was exactly like that in ESB?

So chiding the OT for it's "outdated" effects, but praising the soulless artificialness that defines the prequels in the same breath, just doesn't register with me. I can't understand people who think in this manner. I don't want to understand people who think in this manner. And it's not like I'm 50 years old or something. I'm only 30, but even I can appreciate the beauty of relatively practical effects used in movies made before/not long after my birth. Sad that some others will never do the same.

Well, good for you. But not everyone feels the same you do.

Most of the effects in the OT were fine. And those that were shoddy, were thankfully improved and tweaked by the Special Editions. If the movies don't matter as you say, and all that matters is the meaning behind them... then it doesn't matter if they have updated special effects that improve a few flaws.

[atrocity77]

As disgusted as I have been with Lucas over the past decade, I will still be grabbing the boxset to help relive some childhood memories with the OT. Also, I've had a fantastic time reading this thread.

Beast either knows George Lucas personally and/or is the most amusing troll I've ever had the pleasure of reading.