Star Wars: The Complete Saga (1977-2005)

[Flyfisherman]

Originally Posted by Jumpman

Are people really going to argue back and forth for the next 18 months on whether or not the original cuts will be included?

I just don't see the point anymore. He's not going to include them. Personally, I don't think Lucas is concerned with film history with these films. I think he's more concerned about the story of Star Wars and what future generations will think of it after he's gone...hence the reason he's been working over a decade and some change into fixing the films to where he can die in peace with how they are. Because, once he's gone, nobody will touch them ever again. This is his last shot in getting them right.

Maybe, maybe after he's gone, the original theatrical cuts will see the light of day. It just depends on who has the authority over Star Wars when that day comes. I would hope, who ever has the power, up holds Lucas' wishes in the end and not back down due to fanbase pressure....

And thats why the national archives and smithsonian requested ONLY those versions films and not the special editions. Wow it must mean something...and to hear all his peers basically say he is off the reservation with this brings warmth to my heart.

oh and he got them right in 77,80 and 83. They were masterpieces in every sense of the word. But like I said real Star Wars fans should want what was actually shown in the theater in the respective years or its really not Star Wars. Its more than a film it a part of pop culture and history.

[benzgrl]

Originally Posted by phatrat1982

About the Star Wars fangirls topic yeah my sister is almost a huge a fan as me, she is only 22 though so she missed the original release, well ok so did I honestly I am only 27, but I had the toys and watched them on TV and VHS and the re-release but anyways to that point yes there are some girls who are as obssessive as us guys, my sister is of the opposite as most people though not only does she only consider the SE the proper version, its the first she saw, she also likes the prequels alittle bit better than the originals.


And yeah I take the view of honestly the changes are so insignificant and most in fact DO make the movies better I am still completely baffled why so many people rant and rave how they can't stand the minor changes in the SE. But to be fair I am a big enough fan I would enjoy the Theatrical release if given to me because i have them already on VHS, LaserDisc and DVD. But I am a collector I want them all to HAVE THEM all not because one version is better. Honestly how hard is it to just take a deep breath, watch the movie and HAVE FUN without thinking too damn much about what was changed and what wasn't.

The prequels I can sorta understand why some people might not like them as much but I have no clue why anyone could honestly hate them they kick ass they are true Star Wars through and through, I went to each one multiple times in theaters, watched everyone on DVD more times than I can count.

When this comes out on Blu Ray, assuming I have a better job by then or I have enough notice to save up and pre-order I will buy and watch them on day one.

Wow! I'm away for a couple days and this thread has blown up! Phatrat - I'm just a little older than you, but like you and your sister, I also have an older brother, I remember me and my brother watching on VHS as well when we were kids, we were huge SW fans! The opposite in my story is that my brother never saw the PT when they came out. He was having a lot of personal problems and hit hard times during the last decade or so. He didn't even see the OT when they were re-released on the big screen, I went to see them w/ my Dad and we had a blast!

Finally, just a year ago, my brother was watching TV and caught one of the Prequels and he called me and we talked about it, he went out and rented all three and watched them. It was good for him to take some time out and enjoy watching, he thoroughly did enjoy them! We were like kids again talking about it. Like me, he loves them all, probably the OT just a little more.

And I completely agree w/ your entire post, couldn't have said it better, I'm not too bothered by the changes, I mean ideally it would be nice if we can get all versions on Blu (like Blade Runner), but I'm just a fan of the entire Star Wars universe and will probably have a little party when they are released on Blu! Before Phantom Menace was released on the big screen in 1999, my friends and I had a SW marathon, spent the day watching the OT back-to-back and headed out to the theater to see Episode 1. Just enjoy and have fun everyone!

[Jumpman]

Now, see, that's where I have a problem. This whole "notion" that you're not a real Star Wars fan if you don't scream to the rooftops that the theatrical editions of the Original Trilogy are the "only" editions.

Frankly, that's pure crap. I've lived with Star Wars 29 of my 31 years. I'm of the opinion that Lucas has the right to do with these films whatever he wishes. Frankly, it's a tired argument to think that Lucas' ruined these films. He hasn't. He's cosmetically changed them, nothing more. And, he really hasn't changed them all that much.

You can't fault the guy if he sees the films differently than everyone else. Not saying he's right or wrong, but considering what he went through to get that Trilogy made and issues within the films that still bug him to this day, do you not understand his need to change a few things?

He's the creator. He has the right to do as he please. Plus, let's be brutally honest about Star Wars, it's not like you can't get the theatrical editions of the Original Trilogy anywhere. They haven't disappeared off the face of the Earth, just because the Special Editions exist. There are still plenty of avenues available to "real fans of Star Wars" get their hands on the films.

The Original Trilogy is not three films anymore. It's part of a larger mosaic. It makes legitimate sense on the creator's part to have the six films link up, visually and musically, as much as possible (without destroying what you originally created), given how they were originally created. This is how Lucas sees Star Wars now. It's not two trilogies. It's one story. Future generations, include a generation now, didn't live in a time where the two trilogies were separated by 16 years. For many, it's one. And it'll only be one when Lucas is gone.

This is mainly why you won't see the theatrical editions in this box set. These will be definitive...as definitive can be with Lucas. (as an aside, I just don't see that much tinkering being done to the original films in this box set. I think the Prequels will get the brunt of the work.)

[Flyfisherman]

Originally Posted by Jumpman

Now, see, that's where I have a problem. This whole "notion" that you're not a real Star Wars fan if you don't scream to the rooftops that the theatrical editions of the Original Trilogy are the "only" editions.

Frankly, that's pure crap. I've lived with Star Wars 29 of my 31 years. I'm of the opinion that Lucas has the right to do with these films whatever he wishes. Frankly, it's a tired argument to think that Lucas' ruined these films. He hasn't. He's cosmetically changed them, nothing more. And, he really hasn't changed them all that much.

You can't fault the guy if he sees the films differently than everyone else. Not saying he's right or wrong, but considering what he went through to get that Trilogy made and issues within the films that still bug him to this day, do you not understand his need to change a few things?

He's the creator. He has the right to do as he please. Plus, let's be brutally honest about Star Wars, it's not like you can't get the theatrical editions of the Original Trilogy anywhere. They haven't disappeared off the face of the Earth, just because the Special Editions exist. There are still plenty of avenues available to "real fans of Star Wars" get their hands on the films.

The Original Trilogy is not three films anymore. It's part of a larger mosaic. It makes legitimate sense on the creator's part to have the six films link up, visually and musically, as much as possible (without destroying what you originally created), given how they were originally created. This is how Lucas sees Star Wars now. It's not two trilogies. It's one story. Future generations, include a generation now, didn't live in a time where the two trilogies were separated by 16 years. For many, it's one. And it'll only be one when Lucas is gone.

This is mainly why you won't see the theatrical editions in this box set. These will be definitive...as definitive can be with Lucas. (as an aside, I just don't see that much tinkering being done to the original films in this box set. I think the Prequels will get the brunt of the work.)

Ok, here is where you are wrong. He did not just make cosmetic changes to them. Its not like he just fixed the old matting or even insterted new x wing or tie shots. What he did was add people into the film that were never there, he changed voices and actors in some cases eliminated totally. Why in one scene he totally changed the whole personality of a character. I find it laughable at best when someone says he just "cosmetically changed them".

But thats neither here nor there..we are talking about having the originals included. It think its great that 77-83 do no exists in your minds.

God I am so glad that Spielberg does not want to go back and make the shark look better.

Lucas was against colorization of films, but would he still care if the director wanted them that way?

Yes the 16 years between films will no longer exist someday but only when my generation is dead and gone.

[P@t_Mtl]

Originally Posted by Flyfisherman

Ok, here is where you are wrong. He did not just make cosmetic changes to them. Its not like he just fixed the old matting or even insterted new x wing or tie shots. What he did was add people into the film that were never there, he changed voices and actors in some cases eliminated totally. Why in one scene he totally changed the whole personality of a character. I find it laughable at best when someone says he just "cosmetically changed them".

But thats neither here nor there..we are talking about having the originals included. It think its great that 77-83 do no exists in your minds.

God I am so glad that Spielberg does not want to go back and make the shark look better.

Lucas was against colorization of films, but would he still care if the director wanted them that way?

Yes the 16 years between films will no longer exist someday but only when my generation is dead and gone.

I gave you a suggestion on what you can and should do a few pages back, so are you just going to keep complaining to us or will you go and complain to who it matters? Cause to continue arguing with the rest of us here make's no sense at all. You won't make us change our mind and even if we do agree with you that yes the original should be release as well, there is nothing we can do about it.

[Monkey]

Originally Posted by Jumpman
Now, see, that's where I have a problem. This whole "notion" that you're not a real Star Wars fan if you don't scream to the rooftops that the theatrical editions of the Original Trilogy are the "only" editions.

Frankly, that's pure crap. I've lived with Star Wars 29 of my 31 years. I'm of the opinion that Lucas has the right to do with these films whatever he wishes...

100% correct. While I may like some aspects of the originals better I'll be happy to receive any version of Star Wars on blu-ray as long as they give us lossless audio and a the best PQ presentation they can bring. I don't expect it to be perfect considering the age but it should look great and the audio I don't expect to be top notch either but should be a nice step up.

[Jumpman]

Okay, so you're complaining that he actually added Ian McDiarmid as the Emperor in Episode V..or that he changed the voice of Boba Fett to match Morrison's voice, who played Jango in Episode II...or that he added Hayden Christensen at the end of Episode VI...that's what you're really complaining about?

Ian should've been there all along (No debate). Morrison being the voice of Boba Fett makes continuity sense because of the prequels (No debate). The addition of Hayden is an either or situation. From a story perspective, it doesn't make much sense. But, from a visual perspective...especially for someone who isn't born yet but will watch the Saga starting from Episode I all the way through Episode VI, having Hayden there makes total sense. He's who we identify with when it comes to Anakin Skywalker.

That's not subjective. That's just plain fact. We spend the bulk of our time with him through two films, instead of the three minutes with Sebastian Shaw.

From a visual continuity perspective, having Hayden there makes since from a SAGA perspective, more than anything else....

[al cos.]

For continuity they must CGI the monkey in Raiders of the Lost Ark to be like the ones in Crystal Skull. No debate!

[Jumpman]

That's a pretty retarded statement. It's not like the CG monkey's are apart of the mythos of Indiana Jones.

Come with something else, please....

[P@t_Mtl]

Originally Posted by Jumpman

That's a pretty retarded statement. It's not like the CG monkey's are apart of the mythos of Indiana Jones.

Come with something else, please....

You got to love how their arguments just seem so weird at time. I think at this point nothing can be said to please them, they have it in their minds to complaint. The thing is I don't quite get why they keep complaining and arguing with us? We can't do anyhting about it. They need to communicate their dislike to the people that matter, in letters, many letters send to Lucasfilms. But I suppose that would require actual work and it's much easier to rant on the Internet

[Jumpman]

It's born out of frustration. To many, they can't understand why Lucas is so dogmatic about it.

And the simple answer is this; no matter how beloved the Original Trilogy is and was in it's theatrical form, certain aspects bother Lucas and still bother him to this day. For him, he sees it as an opportunity to fix things.

I'm willing to bet that Lucas would fix a lot more with the Original Trilogy if he could but I also think he knows that boundary. It would be too radical. So, all he's really doing is fixing aspects that are mainly cosmetic...stuff that doesn't change the nature of the story and the characters.

[Porkchop Express]

Originally Posted by al cos.

For continuity they must CGI the monkey in Raiders of the Lost Ark to be like the ones in Crystal Skull. No debate!

Originally Posted by Jumpman

That's a pretty retarded statement. It's not like the CG monkey's are apart of the mythos of Indiana Jones.

Come with something else, please....

I thought it was funny

[boxterduke]

Is it Oct 2011 yet?

[MCT]

Originally Posted by Jumpman

That's a pretty retarded statement. It's not like the CG monkey's are apart of the mythos of Indiana Jones.

Come with something else, please....

you get his point, though. "let's add in giant sharks trying to eat Indy and dolphins in the background in the boat fight in Indy 3." Better?

Honestly, adding Ian in and changing Fett's voice doesn't bother me much, but you have pointless changes like adding in extra stupid dinosaurs and ships in the Mos Eisley scene, turning the Sarlacc into the Little Shop Of Horrors plant monster, and Jedi Rocks. How do these additions add to the story, in any significant way? An apologist will say some brainwashed shit like "Lucaz wanted deez changez so it's okay, itz his storreh and he can do whut he wantz *LOL*", but anyone who can seperate fanboyism from their own personal opinion will realize they were added in for spectacle, nothing more and nothing less.

[P@t_Mtl]

Originally Posted by MCT

you get his point, though. "let's add in giant sharks trying to eat Indy and dolphins in the background in the boat fight in Indy 3." Better?

Honestly, adding Ian in and changing Fett's voice doesn't bother me much, but you have pointless changes like adding in extra stupid dinosaurs and ships in the Mos Eisley scene, turning the Sarlacc into the Little Shop Of Horrors plant monster, and Jedi Rocks. How do these additions add to the story, in any significant way? An apologist will say some brainwashed shit like "Lucaz wanted deez changez so it's okay, itz his storreh and he can do whut he wantz *LOL*", but anyone who can seperate fanboyism from their own personal opinion will realize they were added in for spectacle, nothing more and nothing less.

But why are you all arguing with us? So we love the changes, we don't mind them. You do not which is alright, so exactly what is it that you want us to do? Agree with you, we should all stop liking the Special Edition because you do not?

Let me say again, stop complaining to us and argue with us here on the Internet and go and talk to those where your arguments will matter. There is nothing, I repeat nothing we can do about it. We have moved on, we don't mind the changes and we are find with it. Write your complaint to Lucasfilms, not to us.

[Monkey]

Originally Posted by al cos.

For continuity they must CGI the monkey in Raiders of the Lost Ark to be like the ones in Crystal Skull. No debate!

LOL.

I forgot did the monkey die in Raiders of the Lost Ark (ate a date or something)?

What about all those snakes, they really should have used only snakes and not the trickery of lizards. Perhaps they could have flown in Ice Cube's anaconda, now that would have made the scene much more intense

[al cos.]

Originally Posted by Jumpman

That's a pretty retarded statement. It's not like the CG monkey's are apart of the mythos of Indiana Jones.

Lighten up, weirdo.

[Jumpman]

Yeah, they were added for spectacle...what's the deal? These things that were added for spectacle have caused countless arguments about the Special Editions of the films for over 12 years...?

If it's all spectacle but doesn't change the overall effect of the story, the characters, and the meaning of the Saga, why are the majority of the fans of this series still dogmatic about it?

It's insane that Greedo shooting first caused all of this. Yeah, I hate how it LOOKS, but I don't hate the idea of it. That's about the only change Lucas screwed the pooch on.

I look at the Battle of Yavin that ends Episode IV. I defy ANYONE to sit there and make the case that it doesn't look better than its 1977 rendition. And those effects are from 1997 from the first Special Edition. Everyone says Lucas tinkers too much and yet, the Battle of Yavin hasn't changed since '97...because it's that damn great in the Special Edition....

[Lincoln6Echo]

Originally Posted by P@t_Mtl

I watch the original version between May 21st & May 25th of every year, just a personal thing of mine

Congrats...do you also want a cookie?

[Lincoln6Echo]

Originally Posted by Monkey

100% correct. While I may like some aspects of the originals better I'll be happy to receive any version of Star Wars on blu-ray as long as they give us lossless audio and a the best PQ presentation they can bring. I don't expect it to be perfect considering the age but it should look great and the audio I don't expect to be top notch either but should be a nice step up.

Well, the fact that Lowry Digital used 4K scans, they should look just as good as any current transfer. If the '04 DVDs looked as good as they did, imagine what the 1080p version of that would look like.