Star Wars: The Complete Saga (1977-2005)

[Uxi]

Originally Posted by Duffy12

Why is George apparently the ONLY one who does not do this with his movies????

The original STAR WARS is in the 'Library of Congress' because of it's HUGE cultural significance.
If 'Daddy Warbucks' would just release these OTs that most of his first generation of fans have been pleading for, for 10 years now, then MOST of this BS would go away.

Have you read ZoetMB's post? What reason does Lucasfilm have to release and produce that? Even if his numbers were overestimation, it's millions of dollars to restore all 3 movies. How much is going to make off the unaltered cuts? Add in that he doesn't particularly like those original cuts (else he'd have never made his SE alterations above and beyond the improved SFX) and you can see why he'd be disinclined to.

Plus, if he does, he's accused of milking (hell he's being accused of it anyway when he's sticking to his guns and not releasing umpteen editions: Super 1977 Original Edition - No Ep IV title crawl; Super-Duper Biggs Opening Scene Edition; EPV Greedo Edition: Greedo shoots Han, etc etc.

[Duffy12]

Originally Posted by Beast

Other than the fact it would take a great deal of time and money to fully restore and prep the original versions of every movie on BLU. A lot of wasted time and expense for versions of the film that the creator considers subpar and not worth re-releasing. So yes, it would be a huge hassle.

Um...did he just not donate over a Billion dollars to charity?

And someone correct me if I am wrong here, but was not 'Robert Harris' quoted as saying that he would take on job of supervising the restoration of them?


If so, then whats the problem?



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[Duffy12]

Originally Posted by Uxi

Have you read ZoetMB's post?

I don't know. I may have missed, skipped or have not gotten to it yet. I think that I am around 6 pages back trying to catch up.


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[cinema sickness]

Originally Posted by Duffy12

Do you even realize what website you are posting on? .

[Duffy12]

Originally Posted by Uxi

and at most a couple weeks on Dagobah.

A couple of weeks!?

More like years. Remember, the Falcon's hyperdive did not work.

C3-PO- "l noticed earlier the hyperdrive motivator has been damaged. It's impossible to go to light-speed."


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[Beast]

Originally Posted by Duffy12

Um...did he just not donate over a Billion dollars to charity?

And someone correct me if I am wrong here, but was not 'Robert Harris' quoted as saying that he would take on job of supervising the restoration of them?


If so, then whats the problem?

Because he doesn't feel it's worth the time and money involved.

[Duffy12]

Originally Posted by Uxi

But yeah, ANH reminds me alot of Star Trek, the Motionless Picture. Coincidence that they're from the same era?

Huh??


Ok, the Star Trek picture has almost no action in it for over two hours while...


Star Wars has-

A fantastic classic opening scene and then a boarding party shootout, a docking bay gunfight then escape with the authorities in hot pursuit off the planet, a lengthy shootout during a jailbreak, the main characters in a trash compacter that is closing in, two separate groups of main characters being chased through an enemy base, a swordfight between long lost bitter rivals, another shootout in a docking bay during another escape, a gunport battle from the fleeing ship, and then we get THE BEST SPACE BATTLE from the whole series that lasts about 15 minutes WITHOUT INTERUPTION, plus two celestial bodies going BOOM!




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[Duffy12]

Originally Posted by Beast

Because he doesn't feel it's worth the time and money involved.

But why is he the ONLY ONE that does this?


Unless its that ex-wife thing. However I cannot believe that any divorce attorney would let that happen.



I think that I am 2 pages away now.


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[Beast]

Stanley Kubrick felt his movies shouldn't be seen in Widescreen outside of the theater.

For ages, the only way you could get them would be fullframe/pan & scan. Outside of 2001.

[Indyjones]

Originally Posted by Dynamo of Eternia

But even though Spielburg didn't do it, he still did get another director to do it.

True, but that didn't necessarily work out either. Lucas and one of Kersh's assistants had to step in and direct a good chunk of ROTJ. This was confirmed by Kershner himself in Shock Magazine a few years back. What happened on ROTJ may be part of the reason Lucas ended up doing the PT himself. I think the people Lucas would "trust" with his baby, he wasn't able to bring in because of the DGA.

[Duffy12]

Originally Posted by Gandalf Stormcrow

I have to say, significance and emotional weight aside, Vader versus Obi-Wan is possibly the worst swordfight I've ever seen. Basically a cripple waving about while an old man pretends to fight him and then gives up when his friends run by. *yawn*

You might want to give 'adywan's star wars revisited' a shot, as he reedited the fight somewhat including adding prequel music.

Its been a while since I have seen it, so I have no real opinion on that scene from the fan edit.


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[Duffy12]

Originally Posted by wormraper

It's honestly because kids these days have the attention span of a nat. this is not rose colored glasses falling back to "the good ole days", I very much remember the activities I did for "fun" back in the day with friends and my brothers. We read books for HOURS, we played outside for HOURS, when we were allowed to watch a movie we did so with very little boredom because it was a treat. Nowadays the tv is the babysitter as a STANDARD (I'm not saying that it wasn't so in some people's houses back in the day but just much much less common than it is today). It's a sad fact but kids these days need flashing colors and never ending change in their films and entertainment that anything with a slower plot is boring, I recognize the change in myself as well in some ways. Being that I've become such a huge movie buff I find that I've slowly shortened my attention span and have a more difficult time reading. I'm having to re-train myself in that aspect.

You really have a point there, as a couple of years ago I recommended the theatrical cut of 'Apocalypse Now' to a 25 year old at work. And his opinion of it after he saw it, was that- "I found it boring".

I never thought that I would hear that about that film. How the times have changed.


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[Moviefan2k4]

Originally Posted by Beast

...considering kids love TPM.

Kids ain't the only ones, either. I'm 30 myself, and "Phantom Menace" is great fun for me (yes, even Jar Jar). The fights, locatons, costumes, space battles...everything was just awesome to me, when I first saw it...and for the most part, it still is.

[mjbethancourt]

Originally Posted by Duffy12

Um...did he just not donate over a Billion dollars to charity?

... and he wouldn't have those billions to donate, if he didn't make movies for profit.

And someone correct me if I am wrong here, but was not 'Robert Harris' quoted as saying that he would take on job of supervising the restoration of them?

Maybe... but did he say he would do it for free? And that still wouldn't account for the necessary labor. Harris doesn't do all the work himself.

What you're asking for is charity. While Lucas seems happy to donate money to charities that help people in meaningful ways, he is not likely to spend millions in an act of charity that does nothing but give people a video to watch.

Originally Posted by Duffy12

A couple of weeks!?

More like years. Remember, the Falcon's hyperdive did not work.

C3-PO- "l noticed earlier the hyperdrive motivator has been damaged. It's impossible to go to light-speed."


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Huh? Years? Come on, chief, where are you getting that business? There's absolutely no evidence to suggest it was more than a week or two. How does a broken hyperdrive prove that Luke was on Dagobah for years? Amidala's ship had a broken hyperdrive, too... does that mean that it took years to get from Naboo to Tattooine? Of course not. A broken hyperdrive just means they have to choose a destination that is close-by. Bespin is close to Hoth, like Tattooine is close to Naboo.

[goldenrod]

Originally Posted by Jacobss

After reading this discussion about kids loving the prequel trilogy and hating the original trilogy because of less action and "boring" story, I must add something from my perspective - you can call it kid perspective, because I was born in 1991 and I'm only 18 years old. Still I can't agree with people who said that young people hate OT and love the PT.

My story with Star Wars began in 1995 (I was only 4 years old) - my uncle brought me new released VHS box with 3 unaltered Star Wars movies. I loved them - especially Empire and Jedi. Then in 1997 Lucas released Special Edition - I had them also on VHS, but never really liked them because of fake computer generated effects and some pointless changes like seeing Wampa eating meat in the cave on Hoth. Anyway, when Lucas released TPM I saw it in theather and liked it very much - still I liked episodes V and VI more. The plot about Vader being Luke's Father I founded so emotional, that TPM even with better special effects was for me worse than OT. And remember that I was only 8 years old. Anyway when I saw AOTC 3 years later I was VERY dissapointed with direction Lucas has taken with PT. First he left to much plot points for episode 3, second the whole movie was boring, except for the battle on Geonosis at the end. 3 years later, after seeing ROTS in theather I hated it. It was too short and had weak story.

Why I am saying it? Because I wanted to tell some "adults" people, that they are young people who are more interested in story and not only in special effects with fake CGI overall. I am one of those star wars fans who really thinks that original, unaltered OT is better that anything what Lucas did after that. And If you don't lern your kids to be interested in story and what the film has to give us (I can't find a better word to describe it, but I hope you understand what I mean), then don't wonder that they are only interested in special effects. I'm 100% for releasing original unaltered OT on BD. Have enough of seeing this fake CGI overall.

Sorry for my english, but I'm from Germany.

I think I'm a little concerned by this post. Yeah my daughters prefer the PT and not because of digital effects, they learned not long ago that some creatures/spaceships/visual effects were done via computer. They even asks if this or that are made with computers when she sees visual effects from the OT.

My oldest daughter will watch ROTS from beginning to end any day of the week, duel but the moment I put an OT DVD in the player, she'll start to watch but won't never finish the movie,but she can't watch completely ANH. Only ROTJ form the OT that she'll watch completely from time to time.

She prefers the PT because she like Anakin...

[Duffy12]

Originally Posted by mjbethancourt

Huh? Years? Come on, chief, where are you getting that business? There's absolutely no evidence to suggest it was more than a week or two. How does a broken hyperdrive prove that Luke was on Dagobah for years? Amidala's ship had a broken hyperdrive, too... does that mean that it took years to get from Naboo to Tattooine? Of course not. A broken hyperdrive just means they have to choose a destination that is close-by. Bespin is close to Hoth, like Tattooine is close to Naboo.

If I remember correctly, the Queens hyperdrive was leaking...whatever that means?

However C3-PO stated- "It's impossible to go to light-speed."

Now you would have to assume that the Rebels picked Hoth as their base because it was remote. Meaning that any civilized star system would have to be probably dozens if not hundreds of light years away.

It's just one of those fun movie story quirks. No biggie, but interesting to talk about non the less.

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[wormraper]

Originally Posted by Duffy12

If I remember correctly, the Queens hyperdrive was leaking...whatever that means?

However C3-PO stated- "It's impossible to go to light-speed."

Now you would have to assume that the Rebels picked Hoth as their base because it was remote. Meaning that any civilized star system would have to be probably dozens if not hundreds of light years away.

It's just one of those fun movie story quirks. No biggie, but interesting to talk about non the less.

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Bespin wasn't a star system. it was a tiny private remote mining bass over a gas giant. Not only that do you really think the Falcon had rations for years??? according to the novels lucas himself had ghost written back in the 80's the falcon was only out there for a few weeks at most.

[DefTechPioElite]

I would definitely pay more for my set if it meant I got all versions of the films!!!
Regardless of what Lucas does to the blu-ray set, I'm still amped on Star Wars on BD finally. I've accepted that I am not going to get all versions though, unless the magically change their minds at the last minute..... wait.... is that a disturbance in the force I sense?
*****yes put the original version on the set*****

[supercutz]

The OT isn't worth restoring for a blu-ray release because it won't be profittable?

That's a good one!

[Duffy12]

Originally Posted by wormraper

Bespin wasn't a star system. it was a tiny private remote mining bass over a gas giant.

Then were was the sunlight coming from if it was not in a star system, regardless of the star's name?

Not only that do you really think the Falcon had rations for years???

Of course not.

AGAIN, its just one of those fun movie story quirks. Unless you can come up with a better answer.

I am not trying to cause a heated argument about it. I just find it odd and interesting.


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