Star Wars: The Complete Saga (1977-2005)

[Uxi]

Originally Posted by MCT

not entirely true. Incessant complaining got the unaltered OT released after the SE's

ROFL, you think so? Seems to me it was as much a finger as anything given the quality.

we'll win, eventually. George knows there's more money to be made giving us what we want as opposed to what he'll spend restoring them. It will happen. Some day.

Seems obvious that he dislikes the original cuts (else he'd never have altered them so) and kinda doubt he cares about the complainers, if he's even aware of them.

[Batman1980]

Originally Posted by Uxi

ROFL, you think so? Seems to me it was as much a finger as anything given the quality.



Seems obvious that he dislikes the original cuts (else he'd never have altered them so) and kinda doubt he cares about the complainers, if he's even aware of them.

Of course he's aware of the whiners, whether he acknowledges them or not by giving them what they want is another story.

[MCT]

He can abhor the original versions of the movies that made him who he is today all he wants. He clearly loves a profit even more, though.

what is with you people that seem like you're so opposed to having those versions come out? you guys are acting like Stormtroopers for Lucas. There is a very large segment of fans who will continue to pine for these movies to be released properly, and we're never going to go away. Ever. Get used to it.

[StereoMike]

Originally Posted by Gandalf Stormcrow

Of course he's aware of the whiners, whether he acknowledges them or not by giving them what they want is another story.

Yeah, but I don't think he's reading this thread, so people should keep in mind that complaining here is useless.

[Weirded Wonder]

Originally Posted by Beast

I'd say that many of the fans are way more out of touch with reality than he is.

You know, the ones who call him a "Childhood Rapist", "Greedy", and so on.

I would never call the man that, unless of course he was.

I feel strongly that he ignores the reasons that made his vast money making empire.

Ridley Scott got it right with the Blade Runner BD as did Spielberg with Close Encounters. When will Mr. Lucas realize this with Star Wars or THX-1138.

I do not mind the revisions. I like the new look, but I love the original versions.

[Silo5]

Originally Posted by beardmoen

I would never call the man that, unless of course he was.

I feel strongly that he ignores the reasons that made his vast money making empire.

Ridley Scott got it right with the Blade Runner BD as did Spielberg with Close Encounters. When will Mr. Lucas realize this with Star Wars or THX-1138.

I do not mind the revisions. I like the new look, but I love the original versions.

Even though it was DVD, Speilberg also released both versions of E.T. for those that preferred the original version. Hopefully, he will do the same when E.T. is released on blu-ray.

[Spike Killer]

The only problem with Episodes 2 and 3 in my opinion is Hayden Christensen. I think he is terrible and not suited for the epic style character that the role required.

People enjoy watching THX-1138. That movie is beyond terrible. :shudder:

[KubrickFan]

Originally Posted by Beast

I'd say that many of the fans are way more out of touch with reality than he is.

You know, the ones who call him a "Childhood Rapist", "Greedy", and so on.

Why do you have to constantly belittle people who have a different opinion than yours? I haven't seen anyone in this thread say that Lucas raped his or her childhood, so could you act normally? The fans who apparently are so out of touch with reality still seem a lot more civilized than you.

[PeterTHX]

Originally Posted by MCT

never going to go away. Ever. Get used to it.

Like cancer, the common cold, cockroaches, taxes...

[threefiftyrocket]

Originally Posted by PeterTHX

Like cancer, the common cold, cockroaches, taxes...

YES!!! I LOVE being called a cancer because I have a personal preference, YES!!!

[Beast]

Originally Posted by KubrickFan

Why do you have to constantly belittle people who have a different opinion than yours? I haven't seen anyone in this thread say that Lucas raped his or her childhood, so could you act normally? The fans who apparently are so out of touch with reality still seem a lot more civilized than you.

You haven't been following the thread that closely then.

Cause he's been called a "Childhood Rapist" and "Greedy" a few times by posters.

And who's belittling anyone? I'm just saying that he's not the one out of touch with reality.

Einstein: "The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting it to come out different."

[P@t_Mtl]

Originally Posted by beardmoen

A film that made nearly $300 million before the special editions, became a lexicon of american culture, a film watched on television by billions worldwide, top-five in sales on vhs and laserdisc, and Lucas and yourself believe their will be little return? Please..

Lucas made his vast fortune on the back of the unaltered trilogy, to not pay proper homage is a complete distortion of his altered reality. He's just a control freak that has lost all touch with reality a long time ago.

There is very little return...the majority of people are not you or me. I wish some of you would understand this. We on here are nuts, we double dip on movies, we want them in their best form possible, we want the OAR....all of this stuff. The rest of the world does not care about all this stuff and guess what, the rest of the world is a lot more then me, you and the rest of us here on website like this. With the special edition out, the average joes of the world wil not go out and by another edition with the original version, some of us will on here of course but the rest of the world won't. The rest of the world is were the money is. Don't assume that because these movies made tons of money in theaters and everyone watch them on TV that the majority know about the changes and the difference. Make a poll of the average movie watcher and I bet you that most of them won't even know that so many changes have been made to the original, why? Because they don't care. You and I, we care about stuff like that, the average customers do not.

[Uxi]

Originally Posted by Grubert

Moot point. Lucasfilm is Lucas.

"The Hollywood unions have been taken over by the same lawyers and accountants who took over the studios," Lucas says angrily. "When the Writers Guild was on strike, I couldn't cross the picket line in my function
as a director in order to take care of American Graffiti when the studio was chopping it up. I quit the Director's Guild because the union lawyers were locked in a traditional combat with the studio lawyers. The union doesn't care about it's members. It cares about making fancy rules that sound good on paper and are totaly impractical. They said Lucasfilm was a personal credit, not a corporate credit. My name is not George Lucasfilm any more than William Fox's name was Twentieth Century-Foxy. On that technicality, they sued me for $250,000. You can pollute half the Great Lakes and not get fined that much. When the DGA threatened to fine Kershner $25,000, we paid his fine. I consider it extortion. The day after I settled with the Director's Guild, the Writers Guild called up. At least their fine didn't go all into the business agents' pockets. Two-thirds went to writers."



http://books.google.com/books?id=P2P7pwHeZSkC&pg=PA139

Seemed relevent. But also shows why he isn't ever going to get another Director or Writer (unless they're strictly foreign/non-Guild).

[Uxi]

Originally Posted by threefiftyrocket

YES!!! I LOVE being called a cancer because I have a personal preference, YES!!!

If you self-identified with MCT's group, you're the one claiming the label.

[al cos.]

Originally Posted by threefiftyrocket

YES!!! I LOVE being called a cancer because I have a personal preference, YES!!!

Oh you can have a preference, as long as it is the right one. The one that lines up with the guys who jack themselves off policing the internet (wearing a little hall monitor sash). Just don't ever suggest a 100 dollar box set should include a standard feature to these guys.

[RedZeppelin]

Originally Posted by Uxi

If you self-identified with MCT's group, you're the one claiming the label.

Give it up, people. I was fished in too at first because they actually started out reasonable, but it's obvious now that a) not even the most fervent Lucas lover could believe some of the ridiculous things they have been spouting, and b) they're not even trying to make sense anymore. They're just doing it to get a reaction and laughing about it.

Nice work, though. I fell for it too, so I have to give them credit.

That being said, let's stop feeding them.

[Beast]

Originally Posted by RedZeppelin

a) not even the most fervent Lucas lover could believe some of the ridiculous things they have been spouting

Such as? Cause everyone has been pretty reasonable so far.

b) they're not even trying to make sense anymore. They're just doing it to get a reaction and laughing about it.

Example? If anything I am enjoying the discussion. Even if we don't agree.

Nice work, though. I fell for it too, so I have to give them credit.

That being said, let's stop feeding them.

Guess it's easier to just cry "Troll" then accept that people have different opinions, eh?

[threefiftyrocket]

I'm not a troll, I just prefer the original trilogy the way it was. As I've stated before, I accept the Special Editions and being a collector, I like having them in my set. I just wish I had the option for the original unaltered trilogy as well.

I just have a personal preference to which ones I like better and I get pigeon holed into being a nut job because I want what I want. The generality of the statement basically made it sound like everyone who prefers the original trilogy the way it was is a Cancer... so that is why I responded

[supercutz]

Originally Posted by P@t_Mtl

Why is that so funny? The truth is funny?

Look at it this way,

the first release of Star Wars on Blu-ray will be the special edition & the prequels. almost 90% of people will be buying these, the other 10% who will not buy are the hardcore who only want to see the OT. Now if you look at the numbers, if close to 90% of the people already got Star Wars on Blu-ray, how many of those will double dip and buy the OT release on Blu-ray? Maybe 5% will double dip? So for 15% Lucas as to spend millions in dollars and in men power hours to restore something that business wise will bring in very little for how much it will actually cost him to release. You look at it with the eyes of a fan, they look at it with the eyes of business guys. For them spending all this cash on restoring the OT to Blu-ray for so little return make's no sense.

I know it's truly hard to understand the concept for those hardcore who only want to have the OT but here it is again, the majority of people who will buy Star Wars do not care about the OT, they will buy the special editions and that is all. They don't care about Han shooting first, they don't care about the changes, they will buy Star Wars once and that will be the end of it. Lucasfilm is a business, I am sure they know that a small minority would love to have the OT restore but business wise it make's no sense to them in any way shape or form. Lucasfilm is a business and a business will not spend money and men power hours on something if they will not have a very large return for the work done, it's that simple.

So the SW trilogy although a cultural phenomenon and a piece of historic cinematic work that changed Hollywood forever isn't worth the time/money to remaster and will not sell yet tons of other movies with a far lesser significance/audience/fanbase do and have been released (see your local retail store for 100s of examples)?

Not only do you under estimate the fanbase, you under estimate the power of double dipping. Hell, Hollywood has made it their M.O. to get as much money out of consumers as possible with lesser known and not-as-popular movies being released again and again. Sure the SEs will sell just fine. Most SW fans will jump on the Saga release without hesitation (myself included) next year. That has absolutely no impact on whether or not the OUT will sell well later if remastered and released on Blu-ray. You are totally discounting a whole generation (or two) of SW fans that grew up with and prefer the OUT over the SEs. Sure most of those fans will settle for the SEs but don't think for a minute that many of the original trilogy SW fans would not buy the OUT if they had a choice.

I don't know how you arrive with your figures/percentages as it can't be based or compared on anything done in the past with regards to SW releases. The only meager exception was that lame stunt Lucas pulled by throwing the LD master of the OUT on a separate disc on the DVD re-releases (double dip for the bonus disc) but didn't even care to remaster it to be anamorphic so it fit on people's 16:9 sets properly. It was a piss poor job that most fans didn't want to waste their money buying because it looked horrible. So if that is your example, don't be fooled because Lucasfilm didn't put forth any effort.

[Uxi]

Originally Posted by Beast

Example? If anything I am enjoying the discussion. Even if we don't agree.

Indeed.