Star Wars: The Complete Saga (1977-2005)

[Chordata]

When Yoda confronts Palpy in ROTS, he says "emperor...or should I say, Darth Sidius."

How did he learn about Darth Sidius? I don't recall the name being mentioned in Jedi circles. Maybe Dooku mentioned it to Obi-Wan in AOTC.

[Shallow_]

Originally Posted by Chordata

When Yoda confronts Palpy in ROTS, he says "emperor...or should I say, Darth Sidius."

How did he learn about Darth Sidius? I don't recall the name being mentioned in Jedi circles. Maybe Dooku mentioned it to Obi-Wan in AOTC.

Count Dookuu: 'Hundreds of senators are now under the influence of a Sith Lord called Darth Sidius'

[Chordata]

Originally Posted by Shallow_

Count Dookuu: 'Hundreds of senators are now under the influence of a Sith Lord called Darth Sidius'

There we go...thanks.

[Uxi]

Originally Posted by Dynamo of Eternia

If they aren't being re-released then it kind of defeats the purpose of the preservation IMO. If the preserved copy is locked up somewhere where no one can access it or view it, it's rather pointless.

Do a quick look on evilbay for the "Star Wars laserdisc" or "Star Wars original DVD."

My point is sense of entitlement that people feel George Lucas personally owes them a video release in their favored cut out of a 'preservation' argument is absurd.

Eh, even distribution is a gray area IMO. I don't think that they should be allowed to sell them and make money off of them. But if they are distributing fan edits/fan preservations of past versions to people who have already bought officially released copies of the movies several times over, I don't really see the harm in it.

Legally, it's not a gray area at all and profit has nothing to do with it.

[kurtlingle]

Originally Posted by El_Jay

Well I guess that settles it then.

As long as children like the changes to movies made 20 years before they were born, I guess it's coo'.

No, but I think many against the changes don't realize the SW also has this new generation of fans, who may buy more SW stuff than the new ones.

Like my family, we buy the SW Clone Wars, the toys, etc.

I do think that the kids certainly should count as SW fans and since its marketed at them, they are where the $$$ is.

[Chordata]

Originally Posted by kurtlingle

No, but I think many against the changes don't realize the SW also has this new generation of fans, who may buy more SW stuff than the new ones.

Like my family, we buy the SW Clone Wars, the toys, etc.

I do think that the kids certainly should count as SW fans and since its marketed at them, they are where the $$$ is.

$4 says El_Jay has no kids.

[TrueBluFan]

gotta say i hate the way the discs sit in the booklet. ive bent and ripped a bit of the cardboard trying to get them out, episode 2 was especially hard to get out. looks like crap now. why couldnt they just sit them in a case normallly

[kurtlingle]

Originally Posted by happydood

It's all subjective.... I love this one.

Yes, I love Ep. 2 also. It's a great SW movie with lots of fun stuff and some totally cool stuff.

I really enjoy the "slower pace" of Obiwan's detective work, meeting Jango, the Clones, the fight with Jango in the rain - just classic.

And the C3PO silly lines - yes - they are over the top - but my kids crack up and that is why they like SW - it's fun, funny, cool and action packed.

[El_Jay]

Originally Posted by Chordata

El_Jay, while you're certainly entitled to your opinions, your opinions appear 100% negative re: this. I can't believe you truly think it's that bad; maybe you expected it to be bad going in.

No, to be totally honest, I didn't spend $93 on this set so I could complain about it on the internet.

It is pretty awful, for a 1999 big budget epic with a presumably pristine 35mm print. There isn't one truly redeeming quality on that transfer. The fact that it's not the worst-looking movie I own from that year is about the best thing I can say about it (American Beauty is worse, and it makes me really sad).

What do you have to put in the positives column for this one?

Sorry, I really don't have some secret hidden agenda on this one, it truly is a bad-looking movie (as I said, for a 1999 movie etc). I actually came into watching it with higher expectations, because in the screencaps it looked like the DNR was applied selectively, only to faces to smooth them out, but in the finished product it affects everything.

Here are some blurbs from reviewers that are at least "professional" enough to end up on Cinema Squid, the aggregate BD review site:

"I want a refund. Simply put, this ain't "1080p." I'm sorry, but no. DNR, DNR, DNR, DNR, and some more DNR. And a film that isn't even 1080p native, to boot. Yeah, that's a real winning combination, right there. When we say we want unedited films, we also mean non-smeared, non-****ed up, actual DETAILED films." - Nate Boss, Project Blu, also reviews for High Def Digest.

"Let's get the bad out of the way first. Namely, The Phantom Menace. Somehow it seems appropriate that the worst film in the series would have the worst picture quality of the set, but it's still disappointing. The main culprit here is digital noise reduction." - Casey Broadwater, Blu-Ray.com

"Who would have thought that one of the prequels would end up being the worst looking one of the bunch? I didn't. Still 'Episode I' is a DNR'd mess of waxy faces, flat shadows, and murky colors.

It looks extremely dated, and in HD even more so. Almost every face in the movie is devoid of any real fine detail. Pores have been scrubbed away. Hair comes to us in giant matted masses instead of standing out individually. Blacks are flat and at times take on a bluish tint. They have no depth to them. Crushing is a standard offender, swallowing up faces, textures, and characters." - Aaron Peck, High Def Digest.

"As I watched "Episode I: The Phantom Menace," I wondered if Lucas deliberately dialed down the sharpness. It´s softer than the DVD, with more grain. " - James Plath, DVD Town

"Phantom Menace isn't just the most disappointing film of the six in terms of narrative, but visually as well. It was originally shot in 35mm and it appears that some digital smoothing has been employed here, perhaps to make it look a little more like the two later films, which were both shot in HD. You can understand the reasoning, but it results in a softer picture with less detail than we got in theaters." - Cindy White, IGN

So either all these gentleman/ladies are part of The Big Conspiracy™, or The Phantom Menace is an ugly-looking 1999 film, and it's not because of a poor source.

[Shallow_]

Originally Posted by kurtlingle

the fight with Jango in the rain - just classic..

Sometimes when watching this scene I will get my obi-wan Ep.2 lightsaber hilt from its display case and 'help' obi alittle

[Uxi]

Originally Posted by TrueBluFan

gotta say i hate the way the discs sit in the booklet. ive bent and ripped a bit of the cardboard trying to get them out, episode 2 was especially hard to get out. looks like crap now. why couldnt they just sit them in a case normallly

I get them out really easy. Getting some of the discs in the middle (Ep IV and Ep V) back in seems to be the biggest issue. I have to use a fingernail to pull it up a bit for the BD to get in the gap.

I like the packaging more than I thought I would, though I would still prefer slimline cases like the Trek series or even the UK set.

[Blu Titan]

We should have some Star Wars Blu-ray sales news later tonight .

[El_Jay]

Originally Posted by kurtlingle

No, but I think many against the changes don't realize the SW also has this new generation of fans, who may buy more SW stuff than the new ones.

Like my family, we buy the SW Clone Wars, the toys, etc.

I do think that the kids certainly should count as SW fans and since its marketed at them, they are where the $$$ is.

First of all, that's fine that they are into the movies. A new generation? Great. A new generation can read "Charlie and the Chocolate Factory" and love it without it being changed.

Second of all, who buys the most merch is the worst reasoning for "who the movies are for" I could possibly imagine.

$$$ is not a reason for anything, unless you yourself are profiting from the movies. Otherwise marketing should be the last thing on your mind.

[Uxi]

Originally Posted by kurtlingle

Yes, I love Ep. 2 also. It's a great SW movie with lots of fun stuff and some totally cool stuff.

I really enjoy the "slower pace" of Obiwan's detective work, meeting Jango, the Clones, the fight with Jango in the rain - just classic.

Yeah, all that is great.

And the C3PO silly lines - yes - they are over the top - but my kids crack up and that is why they like SW - it's fun, funny, cool and action packed.

My biggest beef isn't the stupid lines, 3PO has always had dumb stuff to whine about, it's the inconsistency that his head is apparently separately powered. He wasn't a talking head in TESB, for example... though I guess you could say that happens when you get blasted by a stormtrooper versus having a droid head simply knocked off by a blunt force.

[Chordata]

Originally Posted by El_Jay

Yeah that's it. I spent $93 on this set so I could complain about it on the internet.

It is pretty awful. There isn't one truly redeeming quality on that transfer. The fact that it's not the worst-looking movie I own from that year is about the best thing I can say about it (American Beauty is worse, and it makes me really sad).

What do you have to put in the positives column for this one? You can see which character is speaking? You can tell that the desert is desert-colored?

Sorry, I don't have some secret hidden agenda on this one, it truly is a bad-looking movie. I actually came into watching it with higher expectations, because in the screencaps it looked like the DNR was applied selectively, only to faces to smooth them out, but in the finished product is affects everything.

Here are some blurbs from reviewers that are at least "professional" enough to end up on Cinema Squid, the aggregate BD review site:

"I want a refund. Simply put, this ain't "1080p." I'm sorry, but no. DNR, DNR, DNR, DNR, and some more DNR. And a film that isn't even 1080p native, to boot. Yeah, that's a real winning combination, right there. When we say we want unedited films, we also mean non-smeared, non-****ed up, actual DETAILED films." - Nate Boss, Project Blu, also reviews for High Def Digest.

"Let's get the bad out of the way first. Namely, The Phantom Menace. Somehow it seems appropriate that the worst film in the series would have the worst picture quality of the set, but it's still disappointing. The main culprit here is digital noise reduction." - Casey Broadwater, Blu-Ray.com

"Who would have thought that one of the prequels would end up being the worst looking one of the bunch? I didn't. Still 'Episode I' is a DNR'd mess of waxy faces, flat shadows, and murky colors.

It looks extremely dated, and in HD even more so. Almost every face in the movie is devoid of any real fine detail. Pores have been scrubbed away. Hair comes to us in giant matted masses instead of standing out individually. Blacks are flat and at times take on a bluish tint. They have no depth to them. Crushing is a standard offender, swallowing up faces, textures, and characters." - Aaron Peck, High Def Digest.

"As I watched "Episode I: The Phantom Menace," I wondered if Lucas deliberately dialed down the sharpness. It´s softer than the DVD, with more grain. " - James Plath, DVD Town

"Phantom Menace isn't just the most disappointing film of the six in terms of narrative, but visually as well. It was originally shot in 35mm and it appears that some digital smoothing has been employed here, perhaps to make it look a little more like the two later films, which were both shot in HD. You can understand the reasoning, but it results in a softer picture with less detail than we got in theaters." - Cindy White, IGN

So either all these gentleman/ladies are part of The Big Conspiracy™, or The Phantom Menace is an ugly-looking 1999 film, and it's not because of a poor source.

Settle down ace - no need for rolleyes and condescending tone. It was a simple question. If you hate it so much, why do you keep coming back here?

[Chordata]

El_Jay, I saw your comment about me being "sanctimonious" since I "produced offspring" -- it seems you deleted it.

I never said I was better than anyone else for having kids; my point (poorly expressed apparently) is that my kids made me see these movies differently. I was simply stating that maybe your opinion would change if you looked at them through kids' eyes, too.

You need to clam down though man. You're very aggressive in this thread; it's about movies.

[Chordata]

Originally Posted by El_Jay

Wtf?

If I don't like how The Phantom Menace looks on Blu-ray, even though I purchased it, I should stop coming here?

LOL

Please explain that reasoning.

Straw man. I never said you should stop coming here. I simply asked why you keep coming here. Let's stay on target, Red Leader.

[P@t_Mtl]

Originally Posted by El_Jay

Once again, it's the "anyone who doesn't love literally every single element of something I purchased, no matter how glaringly deficient, is the enemy" mentality rearing it's ugly head for the 10,000th time this thread.

But yet, you keep coming back? You must be enjoying yourself then?

[Chordata]

Originally Posted by El_Jay

It was made at a weird time where digital was truly hitting it's stride?

Come on now. I can list literally hundreds of movies made before and during 1999 shot on the same film stock, even ones using lots of special FX, that look infinitely better than this flick on Blu. It is smeared with DNR. If you can't see it, awesome, but it's far from a trivial issue since everyone who gets paid to actually pay attention to these things has pointed it out as a negative.

Once again, it's the "anyone who doesn't love literally every single element of something I purchased, no matter how glaringly deficient, is the enemy" mentality rearing it's ugly head for the 10,000th time this thread.

Your condescending tone is making you the "enemy" (your words, not mine or anyone else's). From what I can tell, most people are quite respectful with you. They're simply stating their positive opinion. Believe it or not, some people do actually like these movies/transfers, and we can all still get along.

[22soultaker]

Originally Posted by dookiex

Snow White was not made just for kids. It's like trying to say that the Wizard of Oz was just a kids movie. You're one of the only ones that is ok with Jar Jar and is actually defending the atrocity. The fact is that Jar Jar was a mistake on Lucas's part. Lucas most definitely have realized that shortly after the film came out or at least he probably does now but the problem is that he can't just rip the character out of the film, that would make no sense. But let's forget all this shall we? Let's just focus on your ridiculous C3po and R2D2 comment. So based on your fuzzy logic, you're telling me the original Star Wars was a movie made for kids? Yeahhhhhhhh. Suuuuuuuure. C3po and R2D2 were never hated as much as Jar Jar ever was. C3po and R2D2 is the equivalent of Laurel and Hardy and it works. Jar Jar however, does not work nor did Jar Jar ever work out well in the film. Lastly, C3po and R2D2 were not put in to appease to kids, hell, the entire original trilogy wasn't even meant as a movie made for kids. It was a for genre fans. Jar Jar however was made for kids and that's fine but having Jar Jar in the new trilogy was a mistake because the character doesn't work. You can't just take random kid friendly things and throw it in randomly into a movie. If something doesn't work, it doesn't work, you can't make excuses for it and expect it to magically work.

Wow u need help. It seems u only take parts of ppls comments and argue about it. I said tons of times that Star Wars is NOT just a kids movie! Added characters like R2, C3po, Jar jar, the Battle droids talking the way they do, are added for kids so the movie can be enjoyed by everyone! Thats a fact! Now stop arguing damn dude relax! O and ur on drugs if u think
Snow F'N White isnt directed towards kids haha ur right man Walt Disney didnt make it for kids haha. Im done.