Star Wars: The Complete Saga (1977-2005)

[octagon]

Originally Posted by Bluyoda

I can't believe that many of you seem to be ok with the transfer of TPM!

I have watched it 2 and a half times already, and I KNOW that there are details the transfer isn't showing me, due to the heavy DNR.

Just look at the shots of the Podrace announcers, the shot where the woman in white makeup is overlooking the podrace, and one of the podrace crowd shots towards the end, and you can clearly see what level of clarity and detail we could have been in for!!!!!!!!!

I say let's create an online petition to demand a remaster of TPM!!!!

I am confident that TPM could look at least as gorgeous as the remastered Gladiator BD.

Who is in?????

We must do something about this!

They could just send us a replacement disc for that particular movie.


Sure, TPM has never looked better on home video, but it could look so much better!!!!!!

If you are a BD enthusiast, and cannot see the problems with this transfer, may I kindly suggest.....

Okay, I'm sure at some point you're going to demand some kind of ransom in return for the real Bluyoda and I'd like to offer the following advice: we'll probably be willing to pay something but don't too crazy with your number. We more or less want him back but there are a lot of new releases and sales this time of year.

So pace yourself.

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[beckmen]

Damn, I never bought the Ewoks TV movies on DVD and how somehow it's become a hot commodity. Netflix doesn't even have it for rent!

Also, is it just me or does Lawrence Kasdan sound like he is sloshed all the time?

[Agent Cooper]

Originally Posted by beckmen

I was thinking about how Luke didn't try and kill Palpatine once he had Vader on the ropes. Palpatine was pretty much defenseless to Luke's knowledge. He could have just executed him like Mace Windu had intended to do.

I think it has to do with Luke defeating Vader only when he gives in to his fears and anger. When he had Vader pinned down defenseless on the bridge, he realized that he was moving down the same path that his father did before him. It is visually stated with Luke looking at his own mechanical hand and Vaders now missing hand.

So, coming to his senses he throws down his weapon in defiance over the 'lure' of the dark side. That's why he tells the emperor that he had failed and lost and he will not be able to turn Luke. It mirrors when Yoda told him in ESB, that he would not need his weapon when he ventured into the cave representing the dark side. Then, he took his weapon with him, used it and lost figurativly speaking by killing himself.

[P@t_Mtl]

Originally Posted by Beast

Agreed on the praise for Star Warriors. It's funny how that was one of the extras a lot of people complained about.

It's really interesting. It's a shame that it's not a more up to date feature though. And include the R2-KT story.

Just seeing Lucasfilm gather those 500 fans and organize them. And seeing them coming from all around the world. Just amazing.

Plus it was cool that Lucas thanked each one of them personally with a handshake and posed for pictures. Can you imagine?

I really enjoyed that document as well. Before the release I kept hearing how lame it was, it was 90 minutes of pure boredom, for those who had seen it.

[P@t_Mtl]

Originally Posted by Chadomac

Vader was framed!!!!

Of course he is, his autograph pictur as been on my wall for almost 25 years

[P@t_Mtl]

Originally Posted by amoergosum

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[P@t_Mtl]

Went to Wall Mart yesterday (had no choice since its a exclusive ) and got The Padawan Menace. I figured it was not going to be much but just wanted it for my collection. Some of the stuff on it is pretty funny. Check out Bombadd Bounty in the extras, specially those who hate Jar Jar

[Colonel Kurtz]

Originally Posted by hipster.doofus7

So you think the Lapti Nek disco song fits the Star Wars universe better? Face it --- Lapti Nek and Jedi Rocks are both crap. But at least Jedi Rocks is timeless crap. It sounds like bad pop music that could've been made in 1960 or 1990 or 2020. On the other hand, Lapti Nek sounds like it could only have been made in 1977. It was dated even by 1983 standards.

You know what? You are right. I just dug up the Lapti Nek scene on Youtube and realized that I totally forgot what the original sounded like. It was terrible! The new song actually is better, it just should have been filmed more like a music performance in the context of the scene and less like Star Wars - The Musical.

Nyub nyub was far more terrible. That you would prefer nyub nyub tells me that you are letting nostalgia affect your judgement.

I just did the same as above and dug up the original scene on Youtube and in this case I still like it a lot better than the new one. The tune is catchy and it fits the Ewoks, which makes total sense, because they are partying with the Ewoks. It is heaps better than the caribbean hotel music that they have since the Special Edition. It clearly isn't Ewok music anymore but it also doesn't fit the musical style of the rest of the movie. John Williams should have just composed a heroic classical orchestra piece that would go well with his other music instead of this "vacation song", as I like to call it.

I like the scream. It's otherwordly and appropriately startling

Well, I think it sounds like someone just gave Obi-Wan a force kick to the balls.

The ONLY reason some people claim it's "unintentionally funny" is because they are too aware that it's dubbed in.

No, it's unintentionally funny, because that Noooo is so ridiculously over the top that it hurts. Just like the Noooo from Revenge of the Sith, probably because it's the very same one. Big Noooo screams in general already have become a big and funny cliché in itself. Combined with voice acting like that it's just a mood killer like the Wilhelm Scream.

So I assume you disapprove of Ian Mcdiarmid's appearance on ESB as well? After all, that edit was disrespectful towards the old lady with monkey eyes.

In a way it was, yes, but in that case it at least helped continuity, because the Emperor in Jedi didn't look anything like this one. In Shaw's case, however, we only saw him minutes before in his Vader makeup and the way he talked to Luke showed us that Anakin indeed wasn't completely dead and that he still was very much alive in Vader. Defaulting him back to younger Anakin instead of just removing his injuries in his ghost form is too arbitrary for me, considering what we just saw. Apart from the story/continuity implication is also wasn't done very well on the technical side. Just look how his head wobbles around on Shaw's body. It's another distracting change that takes away from the movie.

Fortunately for me, Lucas is making these changes for the fans that actually enjoyed all his Star Wars films. He's not making them for angry people that despise the other half of his Star Wars saga.

Yeah, well. I don't despise the prequels. I actually like them in spite of all their flaws and awkward acting moments. I didn't care much about the extras and primarily bought the complete set for the movies. All of them.

It's a good thing that fans of Titanic aren't like the fans of Star Wars. Otherwise, they would lambast James Cameron for turning Rose into a young woman again after her death. They'd prefer to keep things logical, and have an 80-year old hag dance with the ghost of a young Leonardo DiCaprio. Yeah, I'm sure that would've been a hit in the theaters. Anakin was young again for that exact same reason Rose was young again.

Nope, definitely not for the exact same reason. That final shot of Titanic is playing out in Rose's head before she is dying, it's her own memory of how everyone and herself looked back in 1912 when she met Jack. That scene is meant to let a sad movie end on a high note. In Jedi the force ghosts are real, however, and interact with living characters.

Of course, you may call me nitpicky all you want, but sadly that doesn't change anything about how all these changes hurt my enjoyment of the movies and about my right to complain about it.

Originally Posted by gregmasciola

I've read many people saying this, but there isn't any continuity error. Every other time we see the door (from the inside), we don't see the whole thing. Watch when Luke shows up

On the contrary. We see the ceiling of the hallway, which is much lower, and we see the curvature of the hall wall, which describes a much smaller circle than the huge door covers.

[Kryptonic]

I'm also getting audio drop-outs on Episode IV as well. Damn it. From what I understand if you let the player decode it, it's not an issue, but if I let my S360 decode the audio, it doesn't play lossless, but instead plays the DTS core. On TrueHD, it will play the TrueHD track, but that's not the case with DTS-HD MA. Ugh. I did let the player decode and play the core DTS track and didn't hear any dropouts. Is it possible it's just a bad batch of discs? Probably not, so an exchange would be a waste.

Maybe it's just time for a new player that properly decodes DTS-HD MA...anyone have problems with the Sony S380?

[Tom Servo]

Originally Posted by P@t_Mtl

Went to Wall Mart yesterday (had no choice since its a exclusive ) and got The Padawan Menace. I figured it was not going to be much but just wanted it for my collection. Some of the stuff on it is pretty funny. Check out Bombadd Bounty in the extras, specially those who hate Jar Jar

Bzzzt beep bzzt...must hate evil Wal-mart...bzzt...low prices...beep...evil...bzzzt...media masters program me to...bzzzt beep...

ANyway, popped in Jar-Jar Menace real quick to see what I was in for, since that one was regarded as the stinker of the bunch video-wise. Didn't see any major complaints, though I'm sure extreme videophiles will notice smoothed out details, but it's the best it's ever looked to my eyes, so I'm pleased.

[Tommymang]

Originally Posted by amoergosum

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[Agent Cooper]

Lapti Nek sounded exactly like the kind of 'bad taste' live music that Jabba and his scum would listen to. Jedi Rocks is so out of place in those surroundings and with that audience. I also hate watching some of Jabbas evil-looking henchmen banging on drums and what have you during that act.

A couple of other things - most of Oolas dance act has disappered with Jedi Rocks and the cool backdrop with an illuminated frozen Solo behind the lead singer is also almost gone now. Besides, the CGI sticks out like a sore thumb.

I don't get the fuzz about the door to Jabbas palace. No one said that the entrance is designed to form a half-circle in full view. It could be trapez shaped with slighty inwards inclining sides. We never see the top of it.

[Dynamo of Eternia]

Originally Posted by shelldweller

Bluyoda, I feel exactly the same. While the sound is really perfect and I´m extremely happy with the CGI Yoda the image quality could be much better without the extensive use of DNR. I know it never looked better at home, but that does mean that the BD image quality couldn´t be better.

I think a petition is a good idea. If it worked on Gladiator which had the same problems, why wouldn´t it work on Star Wars?

Wait, wait, wait. Aren't you guys the ones who are always saying that petitions are a pointless waste of time? That seems to be the common argument from your side of the fence whenever someone talks of starting a new petition to get the UOT released.

Funny how that quickly changes the second that it is (A) a PT movie that is effected and (B) a change that YOU don't like.

Now, I agree that the DNR does seem a bit excessive. I didn't find it to be too bad, but at the same time I only have a 37" 720 HDTV (I do want to upgrade at some point, but unfortunately it won't be any time in the immediate future). So, perhaps I would find it far worse if I had a bigger set.

I certainly wouldn't mind a less DNRed release, and even though I'm not kicking and screaming over the DNR, I would still support a petition for it.

But you guys need to consider this. While this may have been something of a rushed job for all that we know, this isn't exactly quite the same thing as say the color timing problems from the 2004 OT set, which effected all movies in that set roughly equally. He specifically only applied DNR to this extent on TPM and ONLY on TPM. I presume that he probably viewed it and approved of it, and may well be happy with the way this looks.

In other words, it may well be and probably is an ARTISTIC DECISION on this part. Now, while I have no problem protesting against his various supposed and actual artistic decisions, you guys are the ones who have been standing up for his artistic rights the whole time to no end. Now suddenly when it effects something that you don't like, the tide quickly turns.

You are free to continue your crusade to petition against it. I'll even join said crusade. But you cannot do so without admitting that by doing this, you guys are being absolute 100% hypocrites in the process.

Originally Posted by octagon

Okay, I'm sure at some point you're going to demand some kind of ransom in return for the real Bluyoda and I'd like to offer the following advice: we'll probably be willing to pay something but don't too crazy with your number. We more or less want him back but there are a lot of new releases and sales this time of year.

So pace yourself.

Eh, I'm not paying anything to get him back. In fact, they'd probably have to pay me something just to take him back.

[Colonel Kurtz]

Originally Posted by Agent Cooper

I don't get the fuzz about the door to Jabbas palace.

How about now?

[Show spoiler]

[Bluyoda]

Originally Posted by WontonNoodle

yeah i want a remaster of TPM
i know what shot ur talkin about of the crowd, i had to pause it and rewind back to it cause I was astounded by the amount of detail in that 2 seconds.

Right? That clearly shows what could have been!

Originally Posted by Beast

Other than a few shots, like the infamous Qui-Gon shots.... which looked terrible even before, the DNR isn't really that bad.

The detail is still there. You can still see minor costume details, skin imperfections, and individual hairs on people's eyebrows and head.

So I don't feel the need for a petition. I'm pretty happy with the way that it looks. Sorry it doesn't make you happy, Bluyoda.

And regardless, a petition is pointless anyway. It's not going to change anything. Online petitions never really do.

It's your favorite film, Beast!

You are breaking my heart!!!

No, in all seriousness! You would support one, wouldn't you?
I know it can look a whole lot better than it does, and it deserves it!

Originally Posted by srinivas1015

I guess I'm the only person who has been here on this forum since day 1 and even having the set, haven't watched it as of yet. I got my set last Monday but unfortunately the soldering of the banana plugs of two of my rear surround speakers went out! I finally got it fixed and I'm finally gonna watch it tonight!! I watched the opening of ep I.. The audio is out of this world!!! Never heard anything like it! According to me, the audio dethrones Avatar!!

Avatar never blew me away in the audio department. In fact, I felt wanting more. I only have a good stereo system though, so maybe the surround sound makes it infinitely better.

Originally Posted by shelldweller

Bluyoda, I feel exactly the same. While the sound is really perfect and I´m extremely happy with the CGI Yoda the image quality could be much better without the extensive use of DNR. I know it never looked better at home, but that does mean that the BD image quality couldn´t be better.

I think a petition is a good idea. If it worked on Gladiator which had the same problems, why wouldn´t it work on Star Wars?

Glad to have you on board!

Fortunately, AOTC and ROTS look worlds better than TPM.

Originally Posted by Nightowl2010

I think the difference with Star Wars vs Gladiator in terms of a petition working for a remastered disc is that Gladiator probably won't get re-released on Blu-ray in the future while Star Wars almost undoubtedly will.

Judging from the plethora of Star Wars releases on DVD over the years its pretty safe to assume that Star Wars will be re-released and re-packaged many times on Blu-ray and will probably, and hopefully, be re-scanned and re-mastered in 4k for some "ultimate Set' within a few years.

And then there's the looming 3D versions.

My point is, I think we're pretty much guaranteed of seeing TPM re-released and eventually re-mastered. But I don't think they'll do it for free.

We can only hope!

I can't imagine anyone being able to endure this DNR mess in 3-D.

Well, come Feb, we will know for sure.

Originally Posted by octagon

Okay, I'm sure at some point you're going to demand some kind of ransom in return for the real Bluyoda and I'd like to offer the following advice: we'll probably be willing to pay something but don't too crazy with your number. We more or less want him back but there are a lot of new releases and sales this time of year.

So pace yourself.

Lol

It's me. The real me.

Thanks for wanting me back anyways.

Originally Posted by Dynamo of Eternia

Wait, wait, wait. Aren't you guys the ones who are always saying that petitions are a pointless waste of time? That seems to be the common argument from your side of the fence whenever someone talks of starting a new petition to get the UOT released.

Funny how that quickly changes the second that it is (A) a PT movie that is effected and (B) a change that YOU don't like.

Now, I agree that the DNR does seem a bit excessive. I didn't find it to be too bad, but at the same time I only have a 37" 720 HDTV (I do want to upgrade at some point, but unfortunately it won't be any time in the immediate future). So, perhaps I would find it far worse if I had a bigger set.

I certainly wouldn't mind a less DNRed release, and even though I'm not kicking and screaming over the DNR, I would still support a petition for it.

But you guys need to consider this. While this may have been something of a rushed job for all that we know, this isn't exactly quite the same thing as say the color timing problems from the 2004 OT set, which effected all movies in that set roughly equally. He specifically only applied DNR to this extent on TPM and ONLY on TPM. I presume that he probably viewed it and approved of it, and may well be happy with the way this looks.

In other words, it may well be and probably is an ARTISTIC DECISION on this part. Now, while I have no problem protesting against his various supposed and actual artistic decisions, you guys are the ones who have been standing up for his artistic rights the whole time to no end. Now suddenly when it effects something that you don't like, the tide quickly turns.

You are free to continue your crusade to petition against it. I'll even join said crusade. But you cannot do so without admitting that by doing this, you guys are being absolute 100% hypocrites in the process.

Eh, I'm not paying anything to get him back. In fact, they'd probably have to pay me something just to take him back.

It's the attitude, my friend!

Why would I not want the UOT to be released as well?

It's just that some of these very vocal UOT "fanboys" try their best to spoil all the fun that is SW.

I don't like some changes GL has made, and as I have mentioned on NUMEROUS occasions:

He hasn't gone nearly far enough for my taste!

Upgrade all the VFX throughout the Saga. All digital Yoda in all the episodes, CG Jabba in ROTJ, new updated VFX for the groundbattle......,but I still love the movies, and those minor things are just nitpicks.

If I were GL, I would have made done ultimate editions, with PQ/AQ that would have blown away everyone completely, and you would have to start searching for your jaw in China....., but that's not the case, and my life isn't ruined if things aren't the way I want them to be.

I can live with TPM on BD as it is now, but I would definitely like to see a better version of it soon, and it has been possible in the past....

First time I watched TPM and AOTC, I thought they blend really well, so I understand where he was coming from with this, but I'd rather have some grain and detail in most shots, and not some.

It's a 3-3,5 for me PQ wise, but it could be a 5, and I love SW, so that's why.

Glad to have your support too.

Oh, and thanks, for not wanting me back.
I appreciate your honesty.

[mrpink134]

I came across this and just spit water out of my mouth. LOL

[P@t_Mtl]

Originally Posted by Tom Servo

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Missunderstood me much! I just dislike exclusive from Wall Mart, Best Buy, target or anywhere.

[kurtlingle]

Originally Posted by Bluyoda

I can't believe that many of you seem to be ok with the transfer of TPM!

I have watched it 2 and a half times already, and I KNOW that there are details the transfer isn't showing me, due to the heavy DNR.

Just look at the shots of the Podrace announcers, the shot where the woman in white makeup is overlooking the podrace, and one of the podrace crowd shots towards the end, and you can clearly see what level of clarity and detail we could have been in for!!!!!!!!!

I say let's create an online petition to demand a remaster of TPM!!!!

I am confident that TPM could look at least as gorgeous as the remastered Gladiator BD.

Who is in?????

We must do something about this!

They could just send us a replacement disc for that particular movie.


Sure, TPM has never looked better on home video, but it could look so much better!!!!!!

If you are a BD enthusiast, and cannot see the problems with this transfer, may I kindly suggest.....

I have to agree - it's much better than the DVD (which was very bad) but at times the DNR is just to much (and that's on a 42" TV).

[hazelwu]

Originally Posted by earmullet

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She means Episode 1 looks not as good as Episode 2 and 3 because it was shot on FILM!!!???