Star Wars: The Complete Saga (1977-2005)

[P@t_Mtl]

Originally Posted by Darth Anakin

As far as I know, Padme was only 6 years older than Anakin.
8 and 14
18 and 24
21 and 27
Oh and I find it odd that if the Emperor could foresee the events of IV-VI, he wouldn't foresee the destruction of the first Death Star.

He was too busy entertaining

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[Dotpattern]

Originally Posted by El_Jay

+1

People are so selective about what they interpret and choose not to interpret.

I admit it's well-written enough not to think about much, and The Force gives them a lot of wiggle room, but it's retcon nonetheless.

Yes, I've noticed that about you.

[Uxi]

Originally Posted by Chordata

What abour Beru and Owen? They look like they're 20 in ROTS but look 75 in ANH.

Hmm according to IMDB, Phil Brown, who played Owen was 61 when ANH was released in '77. Joel Egerdon was 28 when AOTC was released in 2002. Subtract a year or two for when they actually filmed vs all the post-production, etc but you missed the mark on both ends on that one.

While people try to explain it away by referencing the harsh sun of Tatooine (lol), it's one of the major inconsistencies that actually catches my attention (along with Padme getting it on with a dude 15 years younger than her).

IIRC, wasn't Padme 14 and Anakin 9 in TPM?

[Chordata]

Originally Posted by Darth Anakin

Oh and I find it odd that if the Emperor could foresee the events of IV-VI, he wouldn't foresee the destruction of the first Death Star.

Or how about not foreseeing that Anakin would just wipe him out.

[Batman1980]

Originally Posted by Uxi

Hmm according to IMDB, Phil Brown, who played Owen was 61 when ANH was released in '77. Joel Egerdon was 28 when AOTC was released in 2002. Subtract a year or two for when they actually filmed vs all the post-production, etc but you missed the mark on both ends on that one.



IIRC, wasn't Padme 14 and Anakin 9 in TPM?

8 years old, IIRC. 6 years is a bit of a gap but not that unrealistic.

[Beast]

Originally Posted by Uxi

IIRC, wasn't Padme 14 and Anakin 9 in TPM?

Correct. And they didn't get it on until AotC. When she was 24 and he was 19. Which happens all the time in RL.

[Chordata]

Originally Posted by Uxi

Hmm according to IMDB, Phil Brown, who played Owen was 61 when ANH was released in '77. Joel Egerdon was 28 when AOTC was released in 2002. Subtract a year or two for when they actually filmed vs all the post-production, etc but you missed the mark on both ends on that one.

Bummer, I hate when I miss the mark and get punk'd by IMDB.

If we're going by birthdates, Portman is 8 years older than Lloyd, but Hayden is the same age as Portman! OMG!

Did you miss the mark, too? I'm confused.

[P@t_Mtl]

Originally Posted by Uxi

Hmm according to IMDB, Phil Brown, who played Owen was 61 when ANH was released in '77. Joel Egerdon was 28 when AOTC was released in 2002. Subtract a year or two for when they actually filmed vs all the post-production, etc but you missed the mark on both ends on that one.

Of course uncle Owen look old to most people back then, you were a kid when you wer seeing it, you always see people older then they actually are as a kid. Move 30 years and now it's the other way around, you are a older and see young people as younger than what they are.

[Batman1980]

Originally Posted by Chordata

Or how about not foreseeing that Anakin would just wipe him out.

Or even use his clairvoyance to locate and wipe out the Rebels before they could even become a big enough threat to launch an offensive against the Death Star. Oh and why wasn't he able to locate their base on Hoth without using all those searcher droids?

[Uxi]

What were the Naboo "electing" a Queen at the age of 14 anyway? lol

[Uxi]

Originally Posted by Chordata

Bummer, I hate when I miss the mark and get punk'd by IMDB.

If we're going by birthdates, Portman is 8 years older than Lloyd, but Hayden is the same age as Portman! OMG!

Did you miss the mark, too? I'm confused.

None of those get to the huge disparities you were trying to point, so yes, apparently you are.

More seriously though, it shows you overly-exaggerated the age differences in both cases.

[Chordata]

Originally Posted by Darth Anakin

Or even use his clairvoyance to locate and wipe out the Rebels before they could even become a big enough threat to launch an offensive against the Death Star. Oh and why wasn't he able to locate their base on Hoth without using all those searcher droids?

I think once Mace jacked up his face, he just thought "oh screw it" and let the chips fall where they may.

[Batman1980]

Originally Posted by Uxi

What were the Naboo "electing" a Queen at the age of 14 anyway? lol

I remember reading about that, I think it has something to do with a child being too young to be as corrupt as an adult but it still makes no sense to me. Just an excuse to throw Anakin and Padme together as much as possible.

[Chordata]

Originally Posted by Uxi

None of those get to 15 years, so yes, apparently you are.

Damn. Now both IMDB and my sarcasm (which someone described as irrational and illogical) have gotten the best of me.

Star Wars is such a wise maiden.

[Beast]

Originally Posted by Uxi

What were the Naboo "electing" a Queen at the age of 14 anyway? lol

She was raised from birth and specifically educated with the possibility she'd be chosen to serve.

And it's not like they elect them with "UNLIMITED POWER", they're advised by a council and Governor.

And children being on the Throne actually has happened even in our history. It does happen.

Some of the handbooks and such explain her history in more detail. It's actually quite interesting.

[Chordata]

Originally Posted by Beast

And children being on the Throne actually has happened even in our history. It does happen.

Elected?

[Uxi]

Originally Posted by Darth Anakin

Or even use his clairvoyance to locate and wipe out the Rebels before they could even become a big enough threat to launch an offensive against the Death Star.

"Difficult to see... always in motion..." yada yada yada.

Oh and why wasn't he able to locate their base on Hoth without using all those searcher droids?

He delegated that to Vader. Note that when Vader sees the picture, he knows that's it immediately and cuts off Ozzel.

[Jay444]

Originally Posted by Darth Anakin

Or even use his clairvoyance to locate and wipe out the Rebels before they could even become a big enough threat to launch an offensive against the Death Star. Oh and why wasn't he able to locate their base on Hoth without using all those searcher droids?

The Emperor had leant Cerebro to Prof X during the events of the OT....

[Steelmaker]

Originally Posted by El_Jay

In Empire, Luke is simply "too old to begin training", but Yoda does it anyway. In TPM, he says the same thing about Anakin, who is what, 8 years old? So I'd guess early 20's would be WAY too old, but Yoda kinda brushes it aside with one assurance from Ben.

Jedi prospects are supposed to be taken from birth so they have no attachment to their families. Anakin was too strongly attached to his Mother, which is why he was considered too old in TPM. Luke's situation was quite different because even though he was 19 or 20, he had no attachments. He never knew his parents and his legal guardians were murdered. Plus given the situation, Luke was the last hope to defeat Vader and the Emperor. What other choice did Yoda have?

Originally Posted by El_Jay

Sometimes Vader can feel Luke from planets away, other times he can't detect the Millennium Falcon stuck to the hull of his ship. Sometimes Yoda can see far into the future, other times he can't sniff out a Sith Lord who he spends time with on a day-to-day basis.

Luke wasn't on the Falcon when it was attached to the Star Destroyer. That's why Vader didn't detect it.

Regarding Yoda, the dark side had clouded their vision. Plus their hadn't been a Sith in over a millenium and I'm sure the Jedi would never have suspected one. There's lots of wiggle room on this one.

Originally Posted by El_Jay

Sometimes they can run with super-speed, other times they get tired. Sometimes they can shoot up and jump 40 feet out of a hole, other times they get stuck in a rancor pit.

Fatigue from duel? I dunno. Again, there's wiggle room here but I have wondered about this one myself.

[Dynamo of Eternia]

Originally Posted by El_Jay

First time viewing? I'd say IV-V-VI-I-II-III, the order they were released.

Seen 'em all before a number of times? I-II-III-IV-V-VI. This way you get to end on a high note, and the prequel stuff sometimes does add an "oh cool" to the OT.

If you have the patience, go IV-V-VI-I-II-III-IV-V-VI, it lets you see the OT normally and then check some continuity stuff created by the PT.

That's what I'd recommend anyway.

Yeah, I agree with this. The latter options (OT, PT, and OT again) makes sense for a number of reasons, but does require repeat viewings of 3 of the films. Either way, I recommend starting with the OT for first time viewing.

Originally Posted by Uxi

There are no spoilers anymore. I-VI in order is a more consistent and enjoyable experience. You'd have to find someone living on a cave who hasn't heard either the real thing or a parody of "I am your father."

But this goes beyond the "I am your father" issue.

The OT, particularly ANH, introduces and explains the basic concept of the force and how it works. It's an ideal starting point for a number of reasons.

While the PT is meant to be "the beginning", the films were made in a manner that essentially assumes that the viewer already has knowledge from the OT.

It's obviously assumed that we already know the basics of who the Jedi are and how the force works based on the info that we got from the OT, since Episode 1 basically "hits the ground running" with the Jedi in action, not giving us any kind of build up or explanation about them or their abilities (despite some other extraordinarily stupid theories that other people have come up with, such as it not being explained as to allow it to be "built up" over the course of the 3 PT movies).

Other examples include the little "cameo" appearances of the Tuskan Raiders and the Jawas during the Pod Race scene in Episode 1. When the pod racer goes by and the Jawa turns it's head and yells "Boon-Dingy" (or whatever the hell it is that they say), it's clearly meant to be entertaining for anyone already familiar with them. The same for the Raiders appearance.

I could go on with further examples, but the point remains the same. The PT, despite being the beginning of the overall story, was still written and made in a manner that assumes that the audience is already familiar with and has knowledge from the OT. There are still advantages to watching the movies 1-6, but not on teh first viewing.