Star Wars: The Complete Saga (1977-2005)

[sevb36]

Originally Posted by Adam_ME

Those are an awful lot of hoops you're jumping through to explain away a continuity error. I think "a wizard did it" would've made more sense. I'm also waiting for Lucas or anyone else to explain why if Obi-Wan was so desperate to hide Luke for his own safety, he'd leave him with his step-uncle and aunt on Anakin's homeworld, not change his last name from Skywalker, and keep his own last name Kenobi while staying only a few miles away and watching over him? Or how Palpatine's force lightning deflected off of Mace's lightsaber scars his face while a direct blast at Luke's face didn't even cause a scratch? Or why the first Death Star took 2 decades to complete while the second one was almost finished(and at the very least operational) within a mere 3 years? Or how Anakin learned the Force ghost ability in about 5 minutes despite having turned to the Dark Side and never receiving the training Yoda gave Obi-Wan courtesy of Qui-Gon?

The only hoop I needed was when Leia said "Just images really...feelings."

[kurtlingle]

Originally Posted by Beast

Bullcrap. Anyone that expected a catalog title to sell more than a brand new blockbuster is fooling themselves.

Especially a catalog title that is 4x as expensive. Thor also gets a sales boost due to having a DVD copy.

Sales were hardly BAD or POOR or any of the other illogical rumblings being tossed around. You have to look at the big picture.

I think a better comparison will be LOTR EE vs SW.
Or maybe even the HP set coming in Nov. Though LOTR EE is a closer comparison as it's also been on DVD for some time so it's a rebuy for us all (if we bought on DVD and Blu-ray).

[Mavrick]

When it was said that Anakin was supposed to bring ballance to the force, I always belived he did. It was way too one sided with all those jedi! By the end of the 3rd one there were but 2 Jedi (that we know of in the films) and 2 sith. Pretty balanced to me Prophecy fullfiled

Or you can still look at it as him fullfiling his destiny as in the end he still destroys the Sith just takes a bit longer to do it

[sevb36]

As for the Death Star 2 being built (although only about half finished) in 3 years, in construction it almost always takes a lot longer the first time you to build a unique structure that it does the second time.

[42041]

dear lord, they're movies, the internal logic doesn't need to hold up in a court of law, who cares how long it took to build the death star

[sevb36]

Originally Posted by El_Jay

Why would the ship matter? Seriously. Why.

Does Vader have some kind of sentient powers connecting him to his ship? Sometimes Vader can feel people from planets away. Kenobi felt a disturbance in The Force when Alderaan was destroyed, PLANETS AWAY. Vader can't detect his own daughter in the span of a square-mile?

It just doesn't add up, and my point is that it doesn't have to. Make the Force kinda murky and inexplicable and it gives you a lot of wiggle room. All the retcon justifications for everything are hilaaaarious. Just go with it.

"The Tattooine sun made Ben age faster!"

Creative writing is fun and it's a pursuit I definitely support, though, so have at 'er.

So you are saying people don't age faster in a sunny enviroment? Especially a desert. Plus the fact that Guinness was only 5 years off Kenobi's timeline age. Guinness turned 62 during ANH filming. Character was 57, whoppity doo.

[Uxi]

Originally Posted by El_Jay

Why would the ship matter? Seriously. Why.

Proximity? Vader feels Luke when he's closing in on the shuttle in RotJ well within a "planet's" distance. The Falcon landing on the Avenger is who knows how far from Vader's command ship. And Luke isn't on it.

Sometimes Vader can feel people from planets away.

When? Only time I can recall is the premonitions/dreams he's having about his mother who he knew and spent about a decade with. I'd say it's safe to say that his bond with his mother was greater than with the son he never really knew about until the kid was already 18 or 19.

Kenobi felt a disturbance in The Force when Alderaan was destroyed, PLANETS AWAY.

Well that was MILLIONS of people dying at one time. Sounds perfectly reasonable that it would resonate in the Force.

Vader can't detect his own daughter in the span of a square-mile?

He doesn't know she's his daughter? She doesn't use the Force and can't

It just doesn't add up, and my point is that it doesn't have to. Make the Force kinda murky and inexplicable and it gives you a lot of wiggle room. All the retcon justifications for everything are hilaaaarious. Just go with it.

Yeah just go with it. The problem is that you're not pointing out inconsistencies in the background, you're pointing out your lack of attention to detail and your logic is thus spurious. I've seen some legitimate criticisms on the watery musings on the force, but yours isn't one of them.

"The Tattooine sun made Ben age faster!"

Are you really debating if people show their age the same in desert environments than in tropical ones than in cool ones?

[Mavrick]

A lot of the inconsistencies in the OT are from human error on Georges part, ass he was making re writes very late in the game. His original idea was that Obi-wan was to teach luke in empire. But then he decided to kill him in ANH. Then that made him have to create a whole new story line for Empire, and new charecters, he wasn't even sure leia was lukes sister either.

If they knew the film was going to be as huge as it was and that he would actually have been able to get the next two made it would have been an entirely differnt trilogy. The Deathstar wasn't even supposed to be destroyed in ANH, that was planed as the big finaly to Jedi.

But it's too late to think of what ifs, and we should just enjoy the films. Sure it's cool to talk about the errors and changes bt it shouldn't take away peoples right to still enjoy the movies regardless of all the mistakes and changes.

[Mavrick]

Originally Posted by sevb36

So you are saying people don't age faster in a sunny enviroment? Especially a desert. Plus the fact that Guinness was only 5 years off Kenobi's timeline age. Guinness turned 62 during ANH filming. Character was 57, whoppity doo.

Also note that all indigenous people of environments like Tatooine are dark skined unlike a lot of the people that actually live on Tatooine

[El_Jay]

Originally Posted by sevb36

So you are saying people don't age faster in a sunny enviroment? Especially a desert. Plus the fact that Guinness was only 5 years off Kenobi's timeline age. Guinness turned 62 during ANH filming. Character was 57, whoppity doo.

Yeah, the desert sun makes people age at least two times faster. Done any research on this?

I didn't even mention my POV on Guinness, I just think that's the most ridiculous grasping-at-straws explanation I've ever seen.

Rather than just accept that in 1977 they didn't have some grand master scheme and didn't try hard enough to make the age of every character consistent, it's "the Tattooine sun makes them age faster".

Loving how the apologists only pick half the inconsistencies to argue about and cut the other ones out of these quotes.

So howsabout... why is Yoda close to 1000 years old, he's doing backflips and ridiculous acrobatics in the final 1/20th of his life, then 20 years later he gets all decrepit and arthritic and can barely walk? I bet it has something to do with the Force, don't keep me in suspense!

[Batman1980]

Originally Posted by El_Jay

Yeah, the desert sun makes people age at least two times faster. Done any research on this?

I didn't even mention my POV on Guinness, I just think that's the most ridiculous grasping-at-straws explanation I've ever seen.

Rather than just accept that in 1977 they didn't have some grand master scheme and didn't try hard enough to make the age of every character consistent, it's "the Tattooine sun makes them age faster".

Loving how the apologists only pick half the inconsistencies to argue about and cut the other ones out of these quotes.

So howsabout... why is Yoda close to 1000 years old, he's doing backflips and ridiculous acrobatics in the final 1/20th of his life, then 20 years later he gets all decrepit and arthritic and can barely walk? I bet it has something to do with the Force, don't keep me in suspense!

Everyone becomes arthritic compared to their PT selves and it amuses me. I still prefer the "light show" saber duels to random sword flailing that we get in the OT.

[Mavrick]

Originally Posted by Darth Anakin

Everyone becomes arthritic compared to their PT selves and it amuses me. I still prefer the "light show" saber duels to random sword flailing that we get in the OT.

The lightsabers were huge heavy broadswords in the OT. They must get heavier the older the chrystal gets

[Chordata]

Originally Posted by El_Jay

Yeah, the desert sun makes people age at least two times faster. Done any research on this?

I didn't even mention my POV on Guinness, I just think that's the most ridiculous grasping-at-straws explanation I've ever seen.

Rather than just accept that in 1977 they didn't have some grand master scheme and didn't try hard enough to make the age of every character consistent, it's "the Tattooine sun makes them age faster".

Loving how the apologists only pick half the inconsistencies to argue about and cut the other ones out of these quotes.

So howsabout... why is Yoda close to 1000 years old, he's doing backflips and ridiculous acrobatics in the final 1/20th of his life, then 20 years later he gets all decrepit and arthritic and can barely walk? I bet it has something to do with the Force, don't keep me in suspense!

Umm, hello, the harsh humidity of Dagobah, obviously. It makes people (and Yodas) age by thousands of years.

[Mavrick]

As long as were picking everything apart how about the line from the OT and PT, one describing the Jedi order as being protectors for a thousand years the other a thousand generations. Pretty big difference there.

[El_Jay]

Originally Posted by Uxi

Proximity? Vader feels Luke when he's closing in on the shuttle in RotJ well within a "planet's" distance. The Falcon landing on the Avenger is who knows how far from Vader's command ship. And Luke isn't on it.




When? Only time I can recall is the premonitions/dreams he's having about his mother who he knew and spent about a decade with. I'd say it's safe to say that his bond with his mother was greater than with the son he never really knew about until the kid was already 18 or 19.




Well that was MILLIONS of people dying at one time. Sounds perfectly reasonable that it would resonate in the Force.




He doesn't know she's his daughter? She doesn't use the Force and can't



Yeah just go with it. The problem is that you're not pointing out inconsistencies in the background, you're pointing out your lack of attention to detail and your logic is thus spurious. I've seen some legitimate criticisms on the watery musings on the force, but yours isn't one of them.



Are you really debating if people show their age the same in desert environments than in tropical ones than in cool ones?

Are you really trying to say that people literally age faster living in a desert? Do you have one iota of research to back this up?

The Force connects you to all living things, as I recall, not just people with the Force power who Vader has already been alerted to. How useless would that be? Well, I can't feel them because nobody has pointed out that they have the Force. Oh, that guy has the Force? NOW I can feel him!

Proximity has already been explained by me. The Star Destroyers are all right next to eachother. Why would Vader's range suddenly diminish and he couldn't feel the presence of the people on the Falcon?

Everything people point out being an inconsistency is instantly explained away by some convoluted quasi-Force-related "fact" you make up on the spot and aggressively shove down everyone's throats, so really there's no point to this.

Moving on.

[Chordata]

It doesn't seem to be about proximity. Vader "spoke" to Luke in the deleted scene from ROTJ when Vader is on the Star Destroyer and Luke is on Tatooine.

[El_Jay]

Originally Posted by Chordata

Umm, hello, the harsh humidity of Dagobah, obviously. It makes people (and Yodas) age by thousands of years.

I wouldn't put it past someone to mention that in all seriousness and actually try and pass it off. That's how ridiculous this line of dialogue is getting in this thread.

[Hatter]

So instead of complaining about versions, the thread has now turned into lets try and ruin the movie (impossible ) as a whole by nitpicking every inconsistency?

Simply complaining about release version changes is suddenly not so bad eh?

[Chordata]

Also, force lightning doesn't leave Luke with any marks because it was on the Death Star, and lightning works differently on Coruscant -- it's common knowledge.

[El_Jay]

Originally Posted by Chordata

It doesn't seem to be about proximity. Vader "spoke" to Luke in the deleted scene from ROTJ when Vader is on the Star Destroyer and Luke is on Tatooine.

That's cuz he knew Luke had the Force®, duh!

Once you're alerted to the presence of someone with The Force® you are instantly hard-wired to them and you can detect them and speak to them from anywhere! Proximity is no longer an issue!

He couldn't detect Leia in the Falcon in ESB because she didn't know she had the Force® yet. Once someone realizes they have the Force®, BOOM they're jacked in, like the Matrix. Once Vader knows too, he puts like, a The Force® homing beacon on them and he can just dial it in and talk to you from lightyears away.

Obviously. Try and pay more attention to the movies since you obviously aren't!