Star Wars: The Complete Saga (1977-2005)

[El_Jay]

New line of discussion.

What's everyone's favorite song from the SW flicks?

Though I love me some Imperial March and Duel of the Fates, nothing quite does it for me like:

Star Wars Episode V Soundtrack - Rebel Fleet/End Title - YouTube

When the whole orchestra swells up for that last few bars before the end theme kicks in, it's very emotional.

Part of it is because I equate it with the end of Empire, which is far and away the best and my favorite SW movie, but I mean that melody is just incredible and the buildup is fantastic.

I think that lame 'Pomp & Circumstance' graduation song should be replaced wholesale by the Rebel Fleet/End Title.

[Troy73]

Originally Posted by LetoAtreides82

Obi-Wan in A New Hope was able to feel a great loss when Alderaan was destroyed many parsecs away. Perhaps Obi-Wan put up a shield that was strong enough to block Vader from detecting them, similar to how Leia's political veil blocked Vader from detecting she was his daughter.

Also, Vader is conflicted. Luke speaks about it in Jedi and Padme's dying breath tells of it. I believe there are times when Vader...looks the other way, so to speak. He serves the Emperor out of an unfullfilled obligation on the Emperor's part. He gave himself to the Emperor to save the love of his life and ended up serving under Palpatine with no true reward.

[Troy73]

Originally Posted by El_Jay

New line of discussion.

What's everyone's favorite song from the SW flicks?

Though I love me some Imperial March and Duel of the Fates, nothing quite does it for me like:

Star Wars Episode V Soundtrack - Rebel Fleet/End Title - YouTube

When the whole orchestra swells up for that last few bars before the end theme kicks in, it's very emotional.

Part of it is because I equate it with the end of Empire, which is far and away the best and my favorite SW movie, but I mean that melody is just incredible and the buildup is fantastic.

I think that lame 'Pomp & Circumstance' graduation song should be replaced wholesale by the Rebel Fleet/End Title.

Wow! I've never listened to that as a stand alone piece. It really is good and I have to agree with you on this one.

But, come on man! You don't like "YUB, YUB"?

[El_Jay]

Originally Posted by Troy73

Wow! I've never listened to that as a stand alone piece. It really is good and I have to agree with you on this one.

But, come on man! You don't like "YUB, YUB"?

I actually missed Yub Yub a little bit on this viewing of Jedi.

The newer piece is fine, though, it's a nice wrap-up to the movie and suits all the scenes of other planets celebrating etc... even though those scenes were jarring because of the CG and being obviously made 20 years later, and also never seeing a single civilization even close to as big as any of the ones pictured there in the OT... a little jarring.

Speaking of Jedi, I will admit that I really had to employ the use of my Rose-Tinted Nostalgia Glasses +1 to fully enjoy it on this viewing.

There is a lot more clunker dialogue than I remember as a kid, worse performances than in Empire, script is cheesier... plus the Ewoks never really bothered me as a kid but on this viewing, my god, wtf... they aren't "annoying", or anything, it's just stupid that a bunch of Little People in bear suits were taking out a heavily armed garrison with rocks and sticks. I mean a 45-lb Little Person swings into me on a vine, he's going to tickle me, he isn't going to knock me unconscious. How did they have the time to make all these elaborate traps? Why does it usually look like nobody is actually being hit in that whole battle? Why would a rock knock fully-armored Stormtroopers unconscious? What the **** is the point of Han tapping that guard on the shoulder and making him run around the corner to where the rebels were waiting?! They could have just walked around the corner and took that one guy hostage instantly, and Han wouldn't risk being shot in the back. Why are we supposed to be surprised when Chewie is in the AT-ST when it showed him getting into it like, 2 mins before? The Han and Leia scenes that worked so well in 'Empire' just descend into cheese here. I honestly think ROTJ is the product of too much cocaine in Hollywood and nobody having any idea how stupid it made them.

Overall the movie is still a childhood classic, the Luke/Darth/Emperor stuff is good, Yoda is good, I still like most of Jabba's Palace (we will not speak of Jedi Rocks... UGGGGGH), but overall, it's quite shocking how much better 'Empire' is on every level judged by every objective measurement, than every other Star Wars movie. I feel like A New Hope is the only one that comes close, and that's because it's pretty minimalist.

[Troy73]

I'll tell ya El_Jay, I wish I could defend Jedi but your points stand. For me Jedi is a heavy dose of "big dumb fun". I just love it and it reminds me of one of the greatest summers of my life. Also, I'll take the Ewoks over the Gungans any day.

[LetoAtreides82]

Originally Posted by El_Jay

I actually missed Yub Yub a little bit on this viewing of Jedi.

The newer piece is fine, though, it's a nice wrap-up to the movie and suits all the scenes of other planets celebrating etc... even though those scenes were jarring because of the CG and being obviously made 20 years later, and also never seeing a single civilization even close to as big as any of the ones pictured there in the OT... a little jarring.

Speaking of Jedi, I will admit that I really had to employ the use of my Rose-Tinted Nostalgia Glasses +1 to fully enjoy it on this viewing.

There is a lot more clunker dialogue than I remember as a kid, worse performances than in Empire, script is cheesier... plus the Ewoks never really bothered me as a kid but on this viewing, my god, wtf... they aren't "annoying", or anything, it's just stupid that a bunch of Little People in bear suits were taking out a heavily armed garrison with rocks and sticks. I mean a 45-lb Little Person swings into me on a vine, he's going to tickle me, he isn't going to knock me unconscious. How did they have the time to make all these elaborate traps? Why does it usually look like nobody is actually being hit in that whole battle? Why would a rock knock fully-armored Stormtroopers unconscious? What the **** is the point of Han tapping that guard on the shoulder and making him run around the corner to where the rebels were waiting?! They could have just walked around the corner and took that one guy hostage instantly, and Han wouldn't risk being shot in the back. Why are we supposed to be surprised when Chewie is in the AT-ST when it showed him getting into it like, 2 mins before? The Han and Leia scenes that worked so well in 'Empire' just descend into cheese here. I honestly think ROTJ is the product of too much cocaine in Hollywood and nobody having any idea how stupid it made them.

Overall the movie is still a childhood classic, the Luke/Darth/Emperor stuff is good, Yoda is good, I still like most of Jabba's Palace (we will not speak of Jedi Rocks... UGGGGGH), but overall, it's quite shocking how much better 'Empire' is on every level judged by every objective measurement, than every other Star Wars movie. I feel like A New Hope is the only one that comes close, and that's because it's pretty minimalist.

Yoda isn't good in RotJ. The Yoda puppet looks awful compared to the CGI versions from the PT, and all he does in RotJ is lay down and die. Actually Yoda isn't good in Empire Strikes Back either, I don't think he ever picks up a lightsaber in the OT. We see him use the force to pick up Luke's ship and we're supposed to be impressed?

[El_Jay]

Originally Posted by LetoAtreides82

Yoda isn't good in RotJ. The Yoda puppet looks awful compared to the CGI versions from the PT, and all he does in RotJ is lay down and die. Actually Yoda isn't good in Empire Strikes Back either, I don't think he ever picks up a lightsaber in the OT. We see him use the force to pick up Luke's ship and we're supposed to be impressed?

Yeah, he doesn't pick up a lightsabre so he sucks.

You're supposed to be impressed by his wisdom, not him doing ****ing backflips and swordfighting unrealistically.

I prefer the look of puppet Yoda in Empire to the CG versions.

Feel free to gauge the importance of a character by how many stupid action scenes he's involved in, but I won't join you.

[Troy73]

Originally Posted by LetoAtreides82

Yoda isn't good in RotJ. The Yoda puppet looks awful compared to the CGI versions from the PT, and all he does in RotJ is lay down and die. Actually Yoda isn't good in Empire Strikes Back either, I don't think he ever picks up a lightsaber in the OT. We see him use the force to pick up Luke's ship and we're supposed to be impressed?

Let me understand what you're sayin', Yoda picking up an X-Wing out of the swamp and placing it on the ground isn't impressive? If I was Luke I'd piss myself. That was the biggest feat seen at that stage of the saga using the force.

[Aquel]

Originally Posted by Troy73

Let me understand what you're sayin', Yoda picking up an X-Wing out of the swamp and placing it on the ground isn't impressive? If I was Luke I'd piss myself. That was the biggest feat seen at that stage of the saga using the force.

But still pretty insignificant next to the power of the Death Star

[LetoAtreides82]

Originally Posted by Troy73

Let me understand what you're sayin', Yoda picking up an X-Wing out of the swamp and placing it on the ground isn't impressive? If I was Luke I'd piss myself. That was the biggest feat seen at that stage of the saga using the force.

Back then i'm sure it was impressive, it isn't now after the PT, at least in my opinion, and I'd find it hard to believe that after seeing Yoda in the PT most people new to Star Wars wouldn't be disappointed in the OT Yoda.

[LetoAtreides82]

Originally Posted by El_Jay

Yeah, he doesn't pick up a lightsabre so he sucks.

You're supposed to be impressed by his wisdom, not him doing ****ing backflips and swordfighting unrealistically.

I prefer the look of puppet Yoda in Empire to the CG versions.

Feel free to gauge the importance of a character by how many stupid action scenes he's involved in, but I won't join you.

Unrealistic to you. I choose to believe the Force allows aged characters such as Yoda and Count Dooku to perform incredible physical feats.

[Shaft Windu]

Originally Posted by LetoAtreides82

Yoda isn't good in RotJ. The Yoda puppet looks awful compared to the CGI versions from the PT, and all he does in RotJ is lay down and die. Actually Yoda isn't good in Empire Strikes Back either, I don't think he ever picks up a lightsaber in the OT. We see him use the force to pick up Luke's ship and we're supposed to be impressed?

I will always defend the prequels, but to pitch one trilogy against the other doesn't sit well with me... I think they did a great job using the limitations in what they could do and show in the OT. They couldn't show great civilizations but the heroes are for the most part in hiding on remote planets anyway (Tattooine, Dagobah, Hoth, Endor). The same goes for Yoda. The very limited puppet lends itself to his role as the wise teacher and the lifelessness of the rubber shows that age has finally caught up with him. On the other hand the portrayal of the Yoda in TESB benefits a great deal now by having seen the prequels beforehand - that you remember him actually fighting and having had a great influence in the Old Republic.

[LetoAtreides82]

Originally Posted by Shaft Windu

I will always defend the prequels, but to pitch one trilogy against the other doesn't sit well with me... I think they did a great job using the limitations in what they could do and show in the OT. They couldn't show great civilizations but the heroes are for the most part in hiding on remote planets anyway (Tattooine, Dagobah, Hoth, Endor). The same goes for Yoda. The very limited puppet lends itself to his role as the wise teacher and the lifelessness of the rubber shows that age has finally caught up with him. On the other hand the portrayal of the Yoda in TESB benefits a great deal now by having seen the prequels beforehand - that you remember him actually fighting and having had a great influence in the Old Republic.

I agree they did an excellent job in the OT with their limitations of technology, and I love the OT, but it could be done much better with today's technology which is why I would like to see a remake of the OT.

[MaybeTomorrow]

Im not buying this. No way.

I dont mind changes to a film as long as they dont mess up the scene.
Ewoks blinking, CGI Yoda in Pt 1, Lightsaber color-adjustment, no problem.
But RD2D behind a rock where he couldn't possibly get behind and in the next shot its gone, makes NO sense at all. WHY?!

The biggest insult for me, is Vader's "nooooo"!
The power of that scene IMO lies in the fact that Vader watches Luke's suffering in silence. With the camera slowly closing in on him.
Makes you wonder what he's thinking of, what's going on behind the mask.
The "Nooooooooooooooooo" totally ruins the scene. Its stupid.

[Shaft Windu]

Originally Posted by LetoAtreides82

I agree they did an excellent job in the OT with their limitations of technology, and I love the OT, but it could be done much better with today's technology which is why I would like to see a remake of the OT.

Then you would unleash an unending perpeto mobile of remakes because by the time the ROT (remade original trilogy) is done, the prequels are outdated - so you'd have to remake them too... These 6 movies are so rich in specific detail that a remake would have to be almost a carbon copy. For a successful remake , where you can actually explore new areas of the material it is to well fleshed out already. A good movie to be remade in the future would be "Escape From New York" IMO because you just got Snake Plissken and future-Manhattan as a playground - the rest can be explored freely.

[SolidChamp]

Originally Posted by LetoAtreides82

Yoda isn't good in RotJ. The Yoda puppet looks awful compared to the CGI versions from the PT, and all he does in RotJ is lay down and die. Actually Yoda isn't good in Empire Strikes Back either, I don't think he ever picks up a lightsaber in the OT. We see him use the force to pick up Luke's ship and we're supposed to be impressed?

Holy merciful crap...dude, are you for real? You can't be serious.

[SolidChamp]

Originally Posted by LetoAtreides82

I agree they did an excellent job in the OT with their limitations of technology, and I love the OT, but it could be done much better with today's technology which is why I would like to see a remake of the OT.

Oh my god...I'm just astounded. People like you actually exist?!

[Apinamakina]

I just finished Return of the Jedi, and gotta say, it left a bad taste in my mouth.
First of all, the video quality looked in some scenes like it was DVD-quality. For example, when Luke and co. were trying to get to Endor in an imperial shuttle, those shots where we saw Luke's face looked just terrible.
And Vader's "Nooo!" was horrible, just horrible. **** you George Lucas.

For positive changes I can say that lightsabers looked excellent!

The audio wasn't as impressive as in previous two movies either, in my opinion, it was the same level as in Revenge of the Sith.

[LetoAtreides82]

Originally Posted by SolidChamp

Oh my god...I'm just astounded. People like you actually exist?!

Yes lol, quite a few actually, lots of people loved the prequels, and I think if they were asked if they'd like to see the OT remade a large percentage of them would.

[Shaft Windu]

Originally Posted by LetoAtreides82

Yes lol, quite a few actually, lots of people loved the prequels, and I think if they were asked if they'd like to see the OT remade a large percentage of them would.

I have never heard of this! To remake the OT is just as ludicrous as demanding the restoration of the UOT... These 6 movies play really, really well together. Why should I choose one trilogy and ignore or remake the other?