Star Wars: The Complete Saga (1977-2005)

[bboisvert]

Originally Posted by LetoAtreides82

How about Harrison Ford?

Star Wars (and Indiana Jones) made him a star. He was an unknown in 1977, with just a few TV roles and bit parts.

[bttfiii]

Originally Posted by Colonel Kurtz

And Jar Jar Stinks smack in the middle of it... oh, the humanity.

is that anakin in the white t shirt?

[Moviefan2k4]

Originally Posted by frogmort

That is an awesome pic!
I found a much higher quality one here:

http://www.starspage.net/blog/wp-con...tos-Actors.jpg

Link fixed (the original one wasn't working).

[Chordata]

Originally Posted by Moviefan2k4

Link fixed (the original one wasn't working).

Neither is the fixed one.

[Agent Bond]

[P@t_Mtl]

Originally Posted by Agent Bond

Well no wonder they could not find them, using Google hehe

[MrJoeKalel]

Originally Posted by Beast

It's a shame that Alec Guiness would become such a bitter old fart about the films later in life though.

That infamous story where he made a Child cry simply because they loved him as Obi-Wan was despicable.

His resentment that he was known more for Obi-Wan than anything else was sad. Especially given how beloved he was for the role.

Of course kids are going to know him more for Obi-Wan Kenobi than anything else. Most kids haven't seen his other roles.

Originally Posted by BohemianGraham

He was awesome in American Graffiti. I think he was working on a construction project for Lucas before he was cast in that. Most of his other roles were uncredited bit parts.

I'm one of the minority ones here, and first think of Bridge on the River Kwai when I think of Guinness, Obi Wan comes second, followed by Jamesir Bensonmum from Murder by Death. I hope he's not disliking me from beyond the grave for that.

First of all, you cannot demonize the man because he realized how much damage 'fanaticism' does (not being a regular fan, but an OBSESSED fan). Plus, if he had been bitter about SW, he wouldn't have done the sequels, money or not.

When I think of Alec Guinness I think Lawrence of Arabia (which is ten times better than Star Wars), then Star Wars, then Kwai, then a Passage to India (I still haven't seen Dr. Zhivago).

[P@t_Mtl]

Originally Posted by MrJoeKalel

When I think of Alec Guinness I think Lawrence of Arabia (which is ten times better than Star Wars), then Star Wars, then Kwai, then a Passage to India (I still haven't seen Dr. Zhivago).

Ok well no offense to Lucas, I like him and he make's fun movies and all but Lawrence of Arabia, Bridge On The River Kwai, Doctor Zhivago and Passage To India were made by David Lean and as much as I like Lucas, he is not in the same league as David Lean

[MrJoeKalel]

Originally Posted by P@t_Mtl

Ok well no offense to Lucas, I like him and he make's fun movies and all but Lawrence of Arabia, Bridge On The River Kwai, Doctor Zhivago and Passage To India were made by David Lean and as much as I like Lucas, he is not in the same league as David Lean

I actually felt underwhelmed by both Kwai and Passage to India; I do not mean they are bad, just fall short of the greatness of Lawrence of Arabia, which might be, the best hero movie ever.

[Chordata]

Originally Posted by MrJoeKalel

First of all, you cannot demonize the man because he realized how much damage 'fanaticism' does (not being a regular fan, but an OBSESSED fan). Plus, if he had been bitter about SW, he wouldn't have done the sequels, money or not.

If the story is true, we're talking about a child -- not the "fanaticism" of the masses. Guinness should've been ashamed of himself. He picked a child because he/she was an easier target than an adult. Hope he regretted it on his deathbed.

[Weirded Wonder]

Originally Posted by P@t_Mtl

Ok well no offense to Lucas, I like him and he make's fun movies and all but Lawrence of Arabia, Bridge On The River Kwai, Doctor Zhivago and Passage To India were made by David Lean and as much as I like Lucas, he is not in the same league as David Lean

Love, love, love David Lean's films. Great Expectations is by far and away my favorite of his. I've always been a great admirer of the late Sir Alec Guinness as well.

As far as Alec's stance on obsessive fans, I would agree with him on that. Passion is one thing, but a compulsive obsessive person cannot be a beneficial characteristic of oneself. Turning that passion for Star Wars into something creative is what I think Alec would hope for, as would any other person involved with the 6 Star Wars films.

[P@t_Mtl]

Alec Guiness was wrong to act the way he did, it was a kid, he just sounded like a bitter old man or grandpa Simpsons. If an adult would have come up to him like that and acted thei way, I would understand his reaction, I might have reacted the same "dude! Calm down it's only movies and it may well be time for you to get a gf!"

What he could have done with the kid is go about it this way

"well hello my young friend! Glad you enjoyed the movie but tell me what else do you enjoy? If you like good stories, never be afraid to pick up a good book and expand your mind, that's what a true Jedi would always do. There is your autograph my young friend and remember look for the stories, you won't regret it"

That way, he make's the kid even more happy and he acted in a way that Obiwan would and who know's what the kid would have done. Education is easy to do, kids are always ready to listen to us and even if the kid never did pick up a book, he still did not come across as a bitter old man!

[Beast]

Originally Posted by Chordata

If the story is true, we're talking about a child -- not the "fanaticism" of the masses. Guinness should've been ashamed of himself. He picked a child because he/she was an easier target than an adult. Hope he regretted it on his deathbed.

It's true. Alec Guinness has even talked about it. It was a 12 year old boy in 1997. Maybe he was just having a crappy day?

Sure the kid said he'd seen the movies a hundred times. But I doubt it was that accurate a count. And so what even if it was?

Little kids love watching the same thing over and over again. Look at the Disney movies. They're always asking to watch them constantly.

[popeflick]

Originally Posted by Beast

It's true. Alec Guinness has even talked about it. It was a 12 year old boy in 1997. Maybe he was just having a crappy day?

Sure the kid said he'd seen the movies a hundred times. But I doubt it was that accurate a count. And so what even if it was?

Little kids love watching the same thing over and over again. Look at the Disney movies. They're always asking to watch them constantly.

Geez guys, give the guy a break. It's clear seeing what happened to the younglings made him act towards that child to keep him from a similar fate.

[MrJoeKalel]

Originally Posted by Chordata

If the story is true, we're talking about a child -- not the "fanaticism" of the masses. Guinness should've been ashamed of himself. He picked a child because he/she was an easier target than an adult. Hope he regretted it on his deathbed.

Originally Posted by Beard Esquire

Love, love, love David Lean's films. Great Expectations is by far and away my favorite of his. I've always been a great admirer of the late Sir Alec Guinness as well.

As far as Alec's stance on obsessive fans, I would agree with him on that. Passion is one thing, but a compulsive obsessive person cannot be a beneficial characteristic of oneself. Turning that passion for Star Wars into something creative is what I think Alec would hope for, as would any other person involved with the 6 Star Wars films.

Originally Posted by P@t_Mtl

Alec Guiness was wrong to act the way he did, it was a kid, he just sounded like a bitter old man or grandpa Simpsons. If an adult would have come up to him like that and acted thei way, I would understand his reaction, I might have reacted the same "dude! Calm down it's only movies and it may well be time for you to get a gf!"

What he could have done with the kid is go about it this way

"well hello my young friend! Glad you enjoyed the movie but tell me what else do you enjoy? If you like good stories, never be afraid to pick up a good book and expand your mind, that's what a true Jedi would always do. There is your autograph my young friend and remember look for the stories, you won't regret it"

That way, he make's the kid even more happy and he acted in a way that Obiwan would and who know's what the kid would have done. Education is easy to do, kids are always ready to listen to us and even if the kid never did pick up a book, he still did not come across as a bitter old man!

Originally Posted by Beast

It's true. Alec Guinness has even talked about it. It was a 12 year old boy in 1997. Maybe he was just having a crappy day?

Wouldn't you feel bad if the character that made people recognize you was from a movie that is purely entertainment and has no real value to the soul? I'm not trying to put SW down (I love them), but Kwai, Larence and Passage all have better messages than SW. That's IMO.

[Beast]

Originally Posted by MrJoeKalel

Wouldn't you feel bad if the character that made people recognize you was from a movie that is purely entertainment and has no real value to the soul? I'm not trying to put SW down (I love them), but Kwai, Larence and Passage all have better messages than SW. That's IMO.

The point is... it was a 12 year old. They likely wouldn't have seen or wouldn't have wanted to watch those other films at that age.

[MrJoeKalel]

Originally Posted by Beast

The point is... it was a 12 year old. They likely wouldn't have seen or wouldn't have wanted to watch those other films at that age.

A 12 year old in '97 is not like a 12 year old in the 70s.

[P@t_Mtl]

Originally Posted by MrJoeKalel

Wouldn't you feel bad if the character that made people recognize you was from a movie that is purely entertainment and has no real value to the soul? I'm not trying to put SW down (I love them), but Kwai, Larence and Passage all have better messages than SW. That's IMO.

Maybe so but like I said there was a better way of handling it that acting the way he did. I am not saying he is a bad person but he sure could have handle this in a much better way and as such not make himself look like a giant a hole

It's how it is when you are in the public eyes. I hate nothing more then hear some sort of actor or athele say he is not a role model....WRONG sorry but you are like it or not. You may not have ask for it but it come's with the job. When I was a kid the hockey players where my GODS plain in simple, no other way of saying it. I came across a lot of them in the 70's growing up here and Montreal and I am sure each one of them most have been rather taken a back seeing a 7, 8 or 9 years old kid looking at them like they were gods of mount Olympus, yet each and everyone of them handled it the right way and made me happy to have been able to meet them. Kids are kids, it's the way you influence them that will determine what kind of adults they will become.

[Uxi]

Originally Posted by phansson

When does a "nod to a classic" become "stealing" an idea? I am not trying to start a flame war with this one. It is an honest question.

"Good Artists Copy, Great Artists Steal?"

[georgec]

Guinness never liked that younger audiences associated him with Obi-Wan when he had an amazing list of roles and successful movies before SW.