Star Wars: The Complete Saga (1977-2005)

[octagon]

Originally Posted by georgec

To me it's less about Han and more about Greedo missing at point blank range. It's just an illogical, puzzling alteration and is neither necessary nor beneficial.

Puzzling is exactly right. Baffling is good too.

I wonder how many of the 'it didn't change the character at all' crowd think the altered scene actually looks better. For that matter, I wonder if GL thought it looked better.

Even taking into consideration the whole 'there's no accounting for taste' thing it's hard to imagine anybody thinking the altered scene looks better than the original.

(FTR, I don't have the discs but from what I've seen online the current altered version looks better than the previous altered version. It still doesn't look good, exactly, but it does seem better)

[georgec]

Originally Posted by toddly6666

There's nothing more stupid than Bobba Fett's demise. So if you are worried that Greedo looks stupid - it's in no comparison to everyone's favorite bad-ass "but stupid" bounty hunter.

Han Solo is a bad-ass regardless if he shoots first, same time, or last. That scene is so minor. Tough guy in a bar. So what. The Greedo scene also doesn't matter because the new Jabba scene makes Han Solo look like a whinny biotch anyway.

While the Jabba in ANH scene is wholly redundant and unnecessary, it doesn't make Han look like a "whinny biotch." If anything, Han walks (literally) all over Jabba.

[octagon]

Originally Posted by toddly6666

The Greedo scene also doesn't matter because the new Jabba scene makes Han Solo look like a whinny biotch anyway.

No, that ship sailed with "Did you tell Luke? Is that who you could tell?".

It wasn't quite 'No, Padme, you hang up' bad but boy was it close.

[aramis109]

Originally Posted by toddly6666

There's nothing more stupid than Bobba Fett's demise. So if you are worried that Greedo looks stupid - it's in no comparison to everyone's favorite bad-ass "but stupid" bounty hunter.

Han Solo is a bad-ass regardless if he shoots first, same time, or last. That scene is so minor. Tough guy in a bar. So what. The Greedo scene also doesn't matter because the new Jabba scene makes Han Solo look like a whinny biotch anyway.

Yeah, Boba's death is freaking painful. I disagree with your sentiment that it doesn't matter. But let's break from that and answer octagon's question- does it look better to you? Does it improve the scene? If not... why bother?

Originally Posted by octagon

Puzzling is exactly right. Baffling is good too.

I wonder how many of the 'it didn't change the character at all' crowd think the altered scene actually looks better. For that matter, I wonder if GL thought it looked better.

Even taking into consideration the whole 'there's no accounting for taste' thing it's hard to imagine anybody thinking the altered scene looks better than the original.

(FTR, I don't have the discs but from what I've seen online the current altered version looks better than the previous altered version. It still doesn't look good, exactly, but it does seem better)

I agree. It looks better than the previous altered version- where Han moved very choppy and the whole scene seems to ... slow ... to... a ... crawl. It still messes with one of my favorite characters.

Originally Posted by octagon

No, that ship sailed with "Did you tell Luke? Is that who you could tell?".

It wasn't quite 'No, Padme, you hang up' bad but boy was it close.

LOL, I liked that scene- he's a bit petulant, but he's not used to being wound around a girl's finger.

[octagon]

Originally Posted by aramis109

LOL, I liked that scene- he's a bit petulant, but he's not used to being wound around a girl's finger.

For as goofy as things get at times, seeing how different people respond to the same scene really is one of the more interesting things about this thread.

And to be fair to that scene, I thought Jedi was pretty awful overall so by that point I was already pretty inclined toward eye-rolling.

[aramis109]

Originally Posted by octagon

For as goofy as things get at times, seeing how different people respond to the same scene really is one of the more interesting things about this thread.

And to be fair to that scene, I thought Jedi was pretty awful overall so by that point I was already pretty inclined toward eye-rolling.

It's also interesting to watch a movie I watched as a kid and respond to scenes differently. Jedi was my favorite as a kid (now it's ESB). I always disliked the Ewoks but loved Luke's transition to a Jedi. That scene used to make me eye roll just as much as all the mushy kissy-kissy did at that age. Now that I'm married and settled down it's a bit different.

Though I still see Anakin and Padme's "banter" as bantha poodoo.

[toddly6666]

Originally Posted by georgec

[IMG] If anything, Han walks (literally) all over Jabba.

no he doesn't. It just shows "hey, look at that, Han Solo is talking to a dated CGI cartoon and watch how it doesn't fit together when he steps on the cartoon's tail to make it all seem like the real person and cartoon blends together smoothly." That's all I'm thinking.

[georgec]

There's a difference between the awful effects in that scene and the relationship at that moment between Han and Jabba it conveys

Jabba tells Han he's a dead man if he doesn't pay his debt. Han says, "Whatever, I just killed your bounty hunter. I'll walk over your tail and ignore you for now. Peace."

[Bluyoda]

Originally Posted by Dynamo of Eternia

Laugh it up, Fuzzball.

[Yeast]

Originally Posted by LetoAtreides82

How exactly does Han not shooting first change who he is? You think what we see in the OT is the only things Han does in his life? A badass suddenly isn't a badass because another badass managed to shoot first? That's hilarious.

And no it doesn't make Greedo stupid because Jabba wanted him dead or alive.

It's not about him being a "badass." It's about him not being totally stupid.

If you can answer this question for me HONESTLY, I will promise to respect your opinion. But you have to be honest. In Japan we are all honest over here.

If you were in a life or death situation - a real one - a guy has a gun on you in a seedy place where you can expect no help - and you know you are about to die - YOU ARE GOING TO DIE - do you wait until the other guy fires first? At point blank range? Your answer should be quite interesting.

[DrMike]

I couldn't start a new thread so pass this around. I want to be able to edit MY own blu ray movies the way I want (please don't get all copyrighted on me). After removing the encryption, the files are either .iso or m2ts. Here's what I want to do and I've been spending days trying to figure it out. I want to import the blu ray files into a video editing program, edit them, and burn them back onto a blu ray disc with absolutely no loss of video or audio quality at all from the original movie. Any takers? If you win, you have my word, I'll send you the money and I never, ever break my word.

Mike

[dcowboy7]

Originally Posted by Yeast

In Japan we are all honest over here.

Well thats not true.

Those japanese nuclear power plant guys admitted they lied about the amount of radiation it was leaking after the earthquake damage.

[Yeast]

Oh, and one thing I will say. I quickly checked that scene out last night and I can honestly declare it is getting close to almost not making me batshit insane. You can almost ignore it now, because they almost virtually fire at almost the same time.

[Yeast]

Originally Posted by dcowboy7

Well thats not true.

Those japanese nuclear power plant guys admitted they lied about the amount of radiation it was leaking after the earthquake damage.

Yeah, but that was just one time. Like with Anakin and the sand people, temporary insanity.

[MCT]

Theres still no way he would miss. At that range, its not possible. You have to start playing mental gymnastics and create wild implausible reasons as to how and why Greedo would miss just to rationalize such a stupid change.

[Colonel Kurtz]

Originally Posted by HD Goofnut

I am using an Onkyo TX-SR 606 and I have not had any DTS bombs at all. Is this something limited to a particular model?

Onkyo TX-SR 507 and Philips BDP 3100/12 in Bitstream mode here. No dts bombs here either.

[frogmort]

Originally Posted by MCT

Theres still no way he would miss. At that range, its not possible. You have to start playing mental gymnastics and create wild implausible reasons as to how and why Greedo would miss just to rationalize such a stupid change.

Not at all. If you look closely at Greedo's eyes, they are similar to a fly's eyes, so he is probably looking at like 50 Han's, and just picked the wrong one.

[Howdy]

Originally Posted by svenge

I can't imagine that many Star Wars fans that were actually around in the OT era are at all looking forward to it. Here's how a typical conversation would go:

Guy 1: "Hey guys! Do you wanna go see Star Wars in 3D?"
Guy 2: "Sounds pretty cool, but the price seems a little high. Still, to see the Death Star trench scene in 3D would be awesome.
Guy 1: "Well, it's not that one. They're showing The Phantom Menace.
Guy 3: "So I'd be paying $12 to see Jar-Jar in 3D along with lil' Yippy-Skippy Anakin? How about no..."
Guy 1: "I thought you'd say that..." << laughter >>
Guy 2: << laughter >>
Guy 3: << laughter >>

Still, have fun with all the tweens at the matinee showing. You can chat up all the moms in station wagons picking up their kids afterwards, I guess.

You're so cool Will your mom be there to pick you up after the show?

[MCT]

Originally Posted by frogmort

Not at all. If you look closely at Greedo's eyes, they are similar to a fly's eyes, so he is probably looking at like 50 Han's, and just picked the wrong one.

Then why didnt he miss in 1977?

[frogmort]

Originally Posted by MCT

Then why didnt he miss in 1977?

He neither missed nor hit in 1977, because he didn't shoot.

Edit:

Han Shot Last - YouTube