Star Wars: The Complete Saga (1977-2005)

[El_Jay]

Originally Posted by Forever Knight

So you are saying these Star Wars Blu-ray PQ's aren't perfect?. If you are not happy with these I don't see you happy with ANYTHING.

Yes I am absolutely saying they are nowhere near "perfect".

Revenge of the Sith is the closest to perfect, but The Phantom Menace is one of the waxiest DNR-fests I have seen on Blu, and Attack of the Clones is only marginally better. It's not like only us Grumpy Gus whiners have pointed this out, only us who "are not happy with ANYTHING". Look at the review on this very site. Look at the review from High Def Digest. http://www.cinemasquid.com/blu-ray/m...c-b951d8995022 Feel free to check all of these out, and you may be surprised that not a single reviewer calls The Phantom Menace or Attack of the Clones "perfect", and every single one mentions the DNR in The Phantom Menace.

If you can't see the DNR in TPM, then you are incapable of seeing DNR. Which is awesome, because it won't bother you... but it bothers a lot of us.

[Uxi]

There is too much DNR on TPM, but it's also way overstated and there's plenty of high def detail, as well. The problem is in human faces. I saw texture on Darth Maul's face and horns, for example. It's a solid high def experience and a good treatment on Blu-ray, but yeah not close to reference.

I was most amazed at ROTJ. Looks incredible and didn't get nearly enough credit in the pro reviews out there.

[El_Jay]

Originally Posted by Shaft Windu

Again, how old are you? I really would like to know, little man!

What is your problem, man! You loco?

As I've pointed out before, I find it a little odd to call yourself a "fan" if you only like half of something or even hate the thing. I've only heard that in connection with Star Wars: "the fans must hate some of these movies and protect the other movies from their creator!?" FAN is derived from "fanatic" - someone who likes something without critizism - that's why I don't care for the term at all. You can call yourself what you will, but please don't freak out if some people get confused by your misuse of the word "fan".

This continues to be the most ridiculous and asinine line of reasoning in this entire thread, across all 2000 pages.

This "true fan must love every turd in the Star Wars universe and buy Ewok action figures or he isn't allowed to like The Empire Strikes Back" thing is so far offside, I'm sure even you understand, but like to keep this argument stoked time and time again for some sadistic reason.
You seem to be the one confusing "fan" with "fanatic" and I recommend just letting it go.

[Ryan0503]

Originally Posted by Howdy

I disagree completely! I think Episode III is by far the worst transfer. There is digital noise all over this picture. At first I thought I had a bad disc, but I've exchanged it for another copy and it still has the terrible digital snow in all the same scenes! I've played the disc with 3 different Blu-ray players on 2 separate HDTV's with the same problem. It's the only disc that has this problem for me. Episodes I & II look especially fantastic though on my Sony.

I noticed the digital noise in III as well, but it was weird because it is only is certain "areas" in the picture. Such as Anakins hair in the opera scene. Some have mentioned that III is reference quality and I would disagree with that, but overall I thought it was good.
As a side note I did think I & II looked good, I just found II as the "least best" PQ of the set ... I think they all look great though and I am pleased with this set!!

[Uxi]

Originally Posted by Ryan0503

As a side note I did think I & II looked good, I just found II as the "least best" PQ of the set ... I think they all look great though and I am pleased with this set!!

Agreed. My off the cuff PQ ratings would be:

I: 3.5/5
II: 4/5
III: 4.5/5
IV: 4/5
V: 4/5
VI: 4.5/5

AQ:

I: 5/5
II: 4/5
III: 4/5
IV: 3/5
V: 4/5
VI: 5/5

I'm gonna probably do another marathon viewing I-VI and will be paying more attention to the details and fine tuning on my system instead of just enjoying the movies.

[chip75]

Originally Posted by Uxi

There is too much DNR on TPM, but it's also way overstated and there's plenty of high def detail, as well. The problem is in human faces. I saw texture on Darth Maul's face and horns, for example. It's a solid high def experience and a good treatment on Blu-ray, but yeah not close to reference.

I was most amazed at ROTJ. Looks incredible and didn't get nearly enough credit in the pro reviews out there.

The problem with the DNR on The Phantom Menace is that people assume that there was incredible detail before they added it (the DNR). I think the picture was always pretty soft to begin with but there was plenty of grain which looks to have been pretty much scrubbed out with the BD release.

It seems Qui-Gon beard is the benchmark for this release it it varies throughout the movie.

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The DVD also had quite a lot of dirt in certain scenes (the Tatooine ones for example) which I always thought was pretty bad for a DVD made a couple of years after it's theatrical run.

[Monolithium]

Originally Posted by Shaft Windu

As I've pointed out before, I find it a little odd to call yourself a "fan" if you only like half of something or even hate the thing. I've only heard that in connection with Star Wars: "the fans must hate some of these movies and protect the other movies from their creator!?" FAN is derived from "fanatic" - someone who likes something without critizism - that's why I don't care for the term at all. You can call yourself what you will, but please don't freak out if some people get confused by your misuse of the word "fan".

fanatic -a person with an extreme and uncritical enthusiasm or zeal

fan - an enthusiastic devotee, follower, or admirer

[Jay444]

Originally Posted by Shaft Windu

But at what becomes a word so casual and random in its use that it it's meaning? And I have to disagree. When I hear someone say that he is a "Bond-Fan" he is most likely to like all the movies, maybe even the books with all their highs and lows.

Are you kidding? I love Bond, but there are several Bond films that just plain suck. No way am I sitting through 'On Her Majesty's Secret Service' ever again (I know I am going to tick off the one OHMSS fan in the world with that comment, and more than likely that person is Beast...lol, j/k). You don't have to love everything about Star Wars to be a fan. God, it has been said in this forum numerous times (and I will quote him ONE last time):

"Only a Sith deals in absolutes." By your very definition of 'fan' you are preventing any gray area. I don't like the PT nearly as much as the OT, but I am a Star Wars fan none-the-less. God, this whole arguement about 'fan this' and 'fan that' is stupid.

Anyway, I watch ROTS over the weekend. Picture was great! I did notice the sound was slightly lower than the previous two films. I did do this amazing thing to fix it... on the remote to my reciever... I touched the '+' key next to volume. My god, it became soooo much louder! Should I contact Lucasfilm and let them know about this fix?

[Shaft Windu]

Has anybody now freaked out enough? I really couldn't care less who considers themselves a or who isn't... I'm not bringing this stuff up - you guys do! I was just glad that someone got over his prequel hate...

[Chordata]

Continue to be amazed by the set. The extras for ROTS are just exceptional. As with the Kashyyyk battle, the Order 66 execution, and the Yoda-Palpy battle, the animatic for the Mustafar duel is so much better than the final cut we saw. Goes to show me that the people doing that were better directors and/or editors, I guess....

Digging into the AOTC extras now.

[Shaft Windu]

After having watched Episodes I - III over the last weeks I've made it to "A New Hope" yesterday. Despite the dark areas and the scratchy sound it was really great. The film is still pretty impressive. Especially the Death Star and the trench battle still hold up to the prequels. I was amazed how much I see Shmi and Padme through Leias performance now. It shows how clever the prequels were constructed without being forced.

I have finally seen the much discussed R2/CGI-rock change in context and now it's obvious why it was done. The scene with R2 hiding from the Tusken Raiders and being discovered by Obi Wan is much more convincing now.

[Dynamo of Eternia]

Originally Posted by Shaft Windu

Has anybody now freaked out enough? I really couldn't care less who considers themselves a

[Show spoiler]

or who isn't... I'm not bringing this stuff up - you guys do! I was just glad that someone got over his prequel hate...

Don't play the innocent card with this one. Even though you didn't specifically use the term " real fan" in this instance, the same basic concept/principle was more than implied in what you did say.

You could have just simply expressed your happiness towards his change in opinion about the prequels and left it at that. Instead you had to use it as another opportunity to make more ridiculous assumptions and generalizations about people opinions on this matter, implying that anyone and everyone who does like the PT films got to that opinion of their own accord, and that many those who have some degree of problems with them are just 'following the heard' without having their own unique thoughts. It is about as absurd as things get.

[greg_achen]

Originally Posted by Shaft Windu

After having watched Episodes I - III over the last weeks I've made it to "A New Hope" yesterday. Despite the dark areas and the scratchy sound it was really great. The film is still pretty impressive. Especially the Death Star and the trench battle still hold up to the prequels. I was amazed how much I see Shmi and Padme through Leias performance now. It shows how clever the prequels were constructed without being forced.

I have finally seen the much discussed R2/CGI-rock change in context and now it's obvious why it was done. The scene with R2 hiding from the Tusken Raiders and being discovered by Obi Wan is much more convincing now.

Is there any change you don't mindlessly defend? What about Luke screaming in the 1997 Special Edition of Empire Strikes Back? Did you like that change originally as well? If so, how did you feel about Lucas removing it for the 2004 DVDs? I'd venture to guess if Lucas undid all the changes for the Blu Ray edition you would love that too.

[mrpink134]

Originally Posted by greg_achen

Is there any change you don't mindlessly defend? What about Luke screaming in the 1997 Special Edition of Empire Strikes Back? Did you like that change originally as well? If so, how did you feel about Lucas removing it for the 2004 DVDs? I'd venture to guess if Lucas undid all the changes for the Blu Ray edition you would love that too.

Why bother? you can see he's just trolling to start arguments.

[Dynamo of Eternia]

Originally Posted by greg_achen

Is there any change you don't mindlessly defend? What about Luke screaming in the 1997 Special Edition of Empire Strikes Back? Did you like that change as well originally? If so, how did you feel about Lucas removing it for the 2004 DVDs? I'd venture to guess if Lucas undid all the changes for the Blu Ray edition you would love that too.

Yeah, he probably would love it, but it would be a "completely original opinion that he came to on his own terms", and not just simply him praising anything and everything Lucas does blindly without putting any independent thought into it. Because as we all know, the only "fans" that can be considered mindless followers are those who have issues with the PT and/or the changes to the OT.





For the most part, the R2 change doesn't "bother" me. There is the question of "how did he get back there?" that it certain raises. And of course there's the little continuity issue of how the rocks are gone after he comes out and we see his hiding place in the background (though it wasn't a particularly jarring continuity error by any means). I don't feel that it really adds anything that the film desperately needed. It's not like it was completely unbelevable that the Raiders didn't see him there. They were focused elsewhere, and it doesn't exactly look like they get particularly great peripheral vision through their helmets (or whatever it is that they are wearing on their heads). It would just be nice if continuity was taken more into consideration with changes like this one and Jabba's door in ROTJ.

[dcowboy7]

When talking to yoda before they fight palps says that "vader will become stonger than both of them."

Didnt palps fear that vader would eventually bump him off too ?

[Shaft Windu]

Originally Posted by greg_achen

Is there any change you don't mindlessly defend? What about Luke screaming in the 1997 Special Edition of Empire Strikes Back? Did you like that change originally as well? If so, how did you feel about Lucas removing it for the 2004 DVDs? I'd venture to guess if Lucas undid all the changes for the Blu Ray edition you would love that too.

I don't see how that is "mindless". I didn't chime in with the blind rant-parade right away and waited til I could see the change in context for myself. That sounds reasonable and mindful to me... Everybody said "the change is stupid and wasn't needed" and I didn't know why it was done either - but now it's pretty obvious. The Tusken raided the land speeder and didn't see R2 standing there in plain sight. Now he hides behind the rock. Makes sense to me...

[mzupeman]

Originally Posted by mrpink134

Why bother? you can see he's just trolling to start arguments.

So, someone who likes the changes is now a troll?

I don't mind most of the physical changes. The only changes I've really hated over the years, was when Luke yelled while falling (thank God it was removed), and now, the new 'Nooooooooo'. Well, and obviously Greedo shooting first. But for the most part, I like the changes, too.

[greg_achen]

Originally Posted by mzupeman

So, someone who likes the changes is now a troll?

I don't mind most of the physical changes. The only changes I've really hated over the years, was when Luke yelled while falling (thank God it was removed), and now, the new 'Nooooooooo'. Well, and obviously Greedo shooting first. But for the most part, I like the changes, too.

I don't think he meant everyone who likes the changes is trolling. I like some of the changes too. However, ShaftWindu's intentions and arguments are highly suspect. I can't say for certain if he is or not, but his posts definitely come across as trolling.

[El_Jay]

Originally Posted by mzupeman

So, someone who likes the changes is now a troll?

I don't mind most of the physical changes. The only changes I've really hated over the years, was when Luke yelled while falling (thank God it was removed), and now, the new 'Nooooooooo'. Well, and obviously Greedo shooting first. But for the most part, I like the changes, too.

Shades of gray. Why does everyone jump to the most extreme edges of this argument instantly without pause for consideration?

There is a difference between liking or not caring about revisions on a case-by-case basis and what that gentleman is doing, which is trolling everyone for hundreds of pages by insinuating that his opinion is the only valid one and everyone else is some kind of mouthbreathing sheep who can't form their own opinion.

It's plain as day what 2-3 users here have been doing for most of this thread.