Star Wars: The Complete Saga (1977-2005)

[Monolithium]

Originally Posted by PeterTHX

Lucas post Kurtz: All Indiana Jones films (including Raiders). SW Prequel Trilogy...while some here are more than happy to talk smack about them, they were hugely successful.

Exactly.

Whatever is the most successful is clearly the best.

1. Avatar (2009) $2,781,505,847
2. Titanic (1997) $1,835,300,000
3. Harry Potter and the Deathly Hallows: Part 2 (2011) $1,327,655,619
4. The Lord of the Rings: The Return of the King (2003) $1,119,102,868
5. Transformers: Dark of the Moon (2011) $1,114,558,779
6. Pirates of the Caribbean: Dead Man's Chest (2006) $1,065,896,541
7. Toy Story 3 (2010) $1,062,984,497
8. Pirates of the Caribbean: On Stranger Tides (2011) $1,041,963,875
9. Alice in Wonderland (2010) $1,023,285,206
10. The Dark Knight (2008) $1,001,921,825
11. Harry Potter and the Philosopher's Stone (2001) $968,657,891
12. Pirates of the Caribbean: At World's End (2007) $958,404,152
13. Harry Potter and the Deathly Hallows: Part 1 (2010) $946,080,434
14. Harry Potter and the Order of the Phoenix (2007) $937,000,866
15. Harry Potter and the Half-Blood Prince (2009) $933,956,980
16. Star Wars: Episode I - The Phantom Menace (1999) $922,379,000
17. The Lord of the Rings: The Two Towers (2002) $921,600,000
18. Jurassic Park (1993) $919,700,000
19. Harry Potter and the Goblet of Fire (2005) $892,194,397
20. Ice Age: Dawn of the Dinosaurs (2009) $887,773,705

The Phantom Menace is the sixteenth best film ever made.

[Beast]

Well it is the best Star Wars film of all time. So it's fitting it made the most money.

[DarthAstuart]

Originally Posted by Beast

Well it is the best Star Wars film of all time. So it's fitting it made the most money.

*choke*

I'm firmly in the "Lucas needs a collaborator" camp. I think he made the prequels largely surrounded by facilitators who only brought as much creativity as he allowed to the proceedings.

There's a very telling moment in the doc on the Episode I DVD set, where Ben Burtt basically seems to realize that Lucas isn't taking the film in the right direction. I need to research it and transcribe it one of these days.

I personally think Episode III is the only successful prequel, and it allegedly had a script doctor pass by playwright Tom Stoppard.

Anyway.

[mrpink134]

Originally Posted by Beast

Well it is the best Star Wars film of all time. So it's fitting it made the most money.

So if I think the way you think all these movies are better.

Whatever is the most successful is clearly the best.

1. Avatar (2009) $2,781,505,847
2. Titanic (1997) $1,835,300,000
3. Harry Potter and the Deathly Hallows: Part 2 (2011) $1,327,655,619
4. The Lord of the Rings: The Return of the King (2003) $1,119,102,868
5. Transformers: Dark of the Moon (2011) $1,114,558,779
6. Pirates of the Caribbean: Dead Man's Chest (2006) $1,065,896,541
7. Toy Story 3 (2010) $1,062,984,497
8. Pirates of the Caribbean: On Stranger Tides (2011) $1,041,963,875
9. Alice in Wonderland (2010) $1,023,285,206
10. The Dark Knight (2008) $1,001,921,825
11. Harry Potter and the Philosopher's Stone (2001) $968,657,891
12. Pirates of the Caribbean: At World's End (2007) $958,404,152
13. Harry Potter and the Deathly Hallows: Part 1 (2010) $946,080,434
14. Harry Potter and the Order of the Phoenix (2007) $937,000,866
15. Harry Potter and the Half-Blood Prince (2009) $933,956,980
16. Star Wars: Episode I - The Phantom Menace (1999) $922,379,000

[NYorker]

It was Lucas's humongous ego that prevented any collaboration on the prequels, with the result being mediocre films with bad acting, atrocious dialogue, and the frustration that the movies could have been vastly better (it was also his needles meddling that reportedly derailed Indiana Jones & KOTC).

Also, are you telling me that TPM is better than Jurassic Park just because it made a bit more at the box office...? The main reason TPM was successful was because it had Star Wars plastered above it, and it was very highly anticipated.

[Beast]

Originally Posted by mrpink134

So if I think the way you think all these movies are better.

Whatever is the most successful is clearly the best.

I didn't once say that. I said it's fitting it made the most money because it was the best film.

Never claimed once that that was true of every film that made money.

The mere fact that The Dark Knight is on that list proves that's not true.

[P@t_Mtl]

Nothing more then personal choices but box office aside of anything, for myself yes The Phantom Menace is better than Jurassic Park

[Beast]

Originally Posted by NYorker

It was Lucas's humongous ego that prevented any collaboration on the prequels, with the result being mediocre films with bad acting, atrocious dialogue, and the frustration that the movies could have been vastly better (it was also his needles meddling that reportedly derailed Indiana Jones & KOTC).

There was plenty of collaboration... just look at the extras. He gave everyone a lot of freedom, from the special effects department to even the actors. I don't agree one bit with them being mediocre films with bad acting, atrocious dialogue, or any of your other complaints. They're not any worse in those areas than the original trilogy. Which can be accused of the same things. And KotCS is another fantastic film.

Also, are you telling me that TPM is better than Jurassic Park just because it made a bit more at the box office...? The main reason TPM was successful was because it had Star Wars plastered above it, and it was very highly anticipated.

No. Not because it made more money. Simply due to the fact that it was a better film than Jurassic Park hands down.

[Beast]

Originally Posted by P@t_Mtl

Nothing more then personal choices but box office aside of anything, for myself yes The Phantom Menace is better than Jurassic Park

[tilallr1]

Originally Posted by Monolithium

Exactly.

Whatever is the most successful is clearly the best.

1. Avatar (2009) $2,781,505,847
2. Titanic (1997) $1,835,300,000
3. Harry Potter and the Deathly Hallows: Part 2 (2011) $1,327,655,619
4. The Lord of the Rings: The Return of the King (2003) $1,119,102,868
5. Transformers: Dark of the Moon (2011) $1,114,558,779
6. Pirates of the Caribbean: Dead Man's Chest (2006) $1,065,896,541
7. Toy Story 3 (2010) $1,062,984,497
8. Pirates of the Caribbean: On Stranger Tides (2011) $1,041,963,875
9. Alice in Wonderland (2010) $1,023,285,206
10. The Dark Knight (2008) $1,001,921,825
11. Harry Potter and the Philosopher's Stone (2001) $968,657,891
12. Pirates of the Caribbean: At World's End (2007) $958,404,152
13. Harry Potter and the Deathly Hallows: Part 1 (2010) $946,080,434
14. Harry Potter and the Order of the Phoenix (2007) $937,000,866
15. Harry Potter and the Half-Blood Prince (2009) $933,956,980
16. Star Wars: Episode I - The Phantom Menace (1999) $922,379,000
17. The Lord of the Rings: The Two Towers (2002) $921,600,000
18. Jurassic Park (1993) $919,700,000
19. Harry Potter and the Goblet of Fire (2005) $892,194,397
20. Ice Age: Dawn of the Dinosaurs (2009) $887,773,705

The Phantom Menace is the sixteenth best film ever made.

Here is the more accurate list, with All Time Domestic Box Office Adjusted for inflation. The numbers above mean nothing actually, since inflation isn't taken into consideration.

1 Gone with the Wind MGM $1,604,234,300 $198,676,459 1939^
2 Star Wars Fox $1,414,269,600 $460,998,007 1977^
3 The Sound of Music Fox $1,130,778,100 $158,671,368 1965
4 E.T.: The Extra-Terrestrial Uni. $1,126,323,400 $435,110,554 1982^
5 The Ten Commandments Par. $1,040,140,000 $65,500,000 1956
6 Titanic Par. $1,019,066,300 $600,788,188 1997^
7 Jaws Uni. $1,016,945,800 $260,000,000 1975
8 Doctor Zhivago MGM $985,635,500 $111,721,910 1965
9 The Exorcist WB $878,157,400 $232,906,145 1973^
10 Snow White and the Seven Dwarfs Dis. $865,460,000 $184,925,486 1937^
11 101 Dalmatians Dis. $793,343,000 $144,880,014 1961^
12 The Empire Strikes Back Fox $779,554,300 $290,475,067 1980^
13 Ben-Hur MGM $778,120,000 $74,000,000 1959
14 Avatar Fox $772,206,800 $760,507,625 2009^
15 Return of the Jedi Fox $746,831,700 $309,306,177 1983^
16 The Sting Uni. $707,794,300 $156,000,000 1973
17 The Lion King BV $707,461,100 $422,782,411 1994^
18 Raiders of the Lost Ark Par. $699,846,300 $242,374,454 1981^
19 Jurassic Park Uni. $684,474,400 $357,067,947 1993

[Beast]

Originally Posted by tilallr1

Here is the more accurate list, with All Time Domestic Box Office Adjusted for inflation. The numbers above mean nothing actually, since inflation isn't taken into consideration.

You can't really fairly judge anything by adjusting for inflation either. Because it doesn't really take into account a variety of factors either.

In the end, box office results means two things, Jack and Squat.

[Chordata]

Originally Posted by Beast

In the end, box office results means two things, Jack and Squat.

Interestingly, in that regard, they're exactly like opinions! (Of course, many of the opinions in this thread are passed off as fact.)

Glad to see you guys are still discusSing the blu-rays.

I love mine and popped in TPM again last weekend.

[Beast]

I need to watch TPM again soon.... been holding off due to the upcoming 3D release.

That and I've been addicted to watching Rise of the Planet of the Apes lately. Probably watched it 10 times since release.

[Duffy12]

Originally Posted by Monolithium

8. Pirates of the Caribbean: On Stranger Tides (2011) $1,041,963,875

Are you freaking kidding me!

I guess that I will have to give that one another go and see what I missed.

.

[P@t_Mtl]

Originally Posted by Beast

I need to watch TPM again soon.... been holding off due to the upcoming 3D release.

That and I've been addicted to watching Rise of the Planet of the Apes lately. Probably watched it 10 times since release.

When is the 3D coming out?

[Beast]

Originally Posted by P@t_Mtl

When is the 3D coming out?

2/10/2012. Can't wait!

[ZoetMB]

Originally Posted by Monolithium

Exactly.

Whatever is the most successful is clearly the best.

1. Avatar (2009) $2,781,505,847
2. Titanic (1997) $1,835,300,000
3. Harry Potter and the Deathly Hallows: Part 2 (2011) $1,327,655,619
4. The Lord of the Rings: The Return of the King (2003) $1,119,102,868
5. Transformers: Dark of the Moon (2011) $1,114,558,779
6. Pirates of the Caribbean: Dead Man's Chest (2006) $1,065,896,541
7. Toy Story 3 (2010) $1,062,984,497
8. Pirates of the Caribbean: On Stranger Tides (2011) $1,041,963,875
9. Alice in Wonderland (2010) $1,023,285,206
10. The Dark Knight (2008) $1,001,921,825
11. Harry Potter and the Philosopher's Stone (2001) $968,657,891
12. Pirates of the Caribbean: At World's End (2007) $958,404,152
13. Harry Potter and the Deathly Hallows: Part 1 (2010) $946,080,434
14. Harry Potter and the Order of the Phoenix (2007) $937,000,866
15. Harry Potter and the Half-Blood Prince (2009) $933,956,980
16. Star Wars: Episode I - The Phantom Menace (1999) $922,379,000
17. The Lord of the Rings: The Two Towers (2002) $921,600,000
18. Jurassic Park (1993) $919,700,000
19. Harry Potter and the Goblet of Fire (2005) $892,194,397
20. Ice Age: Dawn of the Dinosaurs (2009) $887,773,705

The Phantom Menace is the sixteenth best film ever made.

For a fair evaluation, you have to re-calculate using constant dollars (including inflation). Otherwise, only recent films will dominate the list. When you use constant dollars, films like Gone With The Wind, The Sound of Music and many other classics enter the lsit.

[mrr1]

Originally Posted by Snowmaker

And I still have not found that Boba Fett cartoon.

It's in the 'Empire Strikes Back' section of Disc 8, under 'Collections' in (I think) 'Cloud City'.

It's definitely there, and not hidden away.

[octagon]

Originally Posted by Beast

You can't really fairly judge anything by adjusting for inflation either. Because it doesn't really take into account a variety of factors either.

In the end, box office results means two things, Jack and Squat.

Well, you can fairly judge some things. You can, for instance, fairly judge whether The Phantom Menace really made more money than Star Wars or The Empire Strikes Back.

In both cases the answer is no.

Which is only fitting.

It didn't even make more money than The Return of the Jedi which is just sad, really.

[octagon]

And speaking of TPM and Jedi, I finally got around to watching the BDs and both were somewhat less horrible than I remembered. In fact, I think my two-way tie for last is no longer a tie: Jedi is pretty solidly dead last now. The terrible stuff in TPM is still pretty terrible but knowing it's coming makes it a lot easier to gloss over and most of the cool stuff is still pretty cool.