Star Wars: The Complete Saga (1977-2005)

[phansson]

Originally Posted by Geoff D

Hah! I just got back from seeing TPM 3D and they've used the same DNR'ed 2K master as the Blu-ray, complete with noticeable edge ringing, and the bits completed for the 2001 DVD are soft as HELL - they were iffy on the Blu-ray but look like utter shite on the big screen. Lucasfilm won't spend a dime more than is necessary on Star Wars, and I can't wait to see the 3D garbage mattes on the ships in Jedi's end battle come 2017.

Still, the 3D is incredibly inoffensive, so no complaints about the actual conversion. Most of the time it looks 2D, I shit you not.

f$@K!!!

[Geoff D]

Originally Posted by HandyDandy

Rick Mccallum did say that the way they looked on blu-ray is the way they will look for the 3d theatrical releases.

I know, I just wanted to reiterate that point to a few folks who still believe (for reasons known only to them) that LFL might actually give a toss about the 3D conversions for Star Wars.

[fat_rancor_keeper]

Originally Posted by Geoff D

I know, I just wanted to reiterate that point to a few folks who still believe (for reasons known only to them) that LFL might actually give a toss about the 3D conversions for Star Wars.

LoL, you probably mean me. But, if the conversion of TPM was lackluster that doesn't bode well for future installments correcting long standing problems.

My POV was just that I couldn't see LFL going through the meticulous conversion process and not being consistent. For example, in the scene on the falcon in ANH where Luke's saber was supposedly "corrected" it's really only fixed for 1 shot. (Don't tell me LFL didn't troll fans or outright lie about fixing this, lol)

So would the team working on that particular scene purposely convert Luke's incorrectly colored 3D saber? Would they intentionally not have it matching blue in all the shots within that scene as it logically should?

[Jay444]

Originally Posted by fat_rancor_keeper

LoL, you probably mean me. But, if the conversion of TPM was lackluster that doesn't bode well for future installments correcting long standing problems.

My POV was just that I couldn't see LFL going through the meticulous conversion process and not being consistent. For example, in the scene on the falcon in ANH where Luke's saber was supposedly "corrected" it's really only fixed for 1 shot. (Don't tell me LFL didn't troll fans or outright lie about fixing this, lol)

So would the team working on that particular scene purposely convert Luke's incorrectly colored 3D saber? Would they intentionally not have it matching blue in all the shots within that scene as it logically should?

I don't think they will do much to fix the effects in the 3D versions. I pretty sure they will use the same masters as the blu rays as the general consensus at Lucas Film is 'they are good enough.' (at least according to Rick "yes man" McCallum). So, I don't see them putting much effort into this.

I think we learned A LOT about how Lucas feels about this series from his interviews around the release of Red Tails. He feels just as negatively about the fan base as the fans feel about him (not everyone hates him, but he feels that we all do from the sounds of things). The 3D is just a final cash in, nothing more, nothing less.

Hopefully no one shows up for TPM 3D (unlikely I know, but I can dream) and then these films will be properly shelved and not seen again until George has passed. I don't say that to be negative about the man or wishing any ill event upon him. But honestly, the way he has talked about the films/fans makes me think it could only get more destructive from here as his attitude is poor. It just is upsetting that he cannot see things from perspective (i.e. like Spielberg). Its his way or the high way.

[PeterTHX]

Originally Posted by Jay444

(at least according to Rick "yes man" McCallum).

You mean Rick "I do what my boss tells me to do" McCallum. I suppose the producers who let Ridley Scott, Kubrick, James Cameron, Spielberg, etc. proceed exactly as their vision dictates are just stupid "yes" men in your book.

Hopefully no one shows up for TPM 3D (unlikely I know, but I can dream) and then these films will be properly shelved and not seen again until George has passed.

And you have the gall to wonder why Lucas feels the way he does about "fans".
If it isn't the beyond ridiculous double standards it's statements like this from other so-called fans that Lucas is speaking about.

[fat_rancor_keeper]

I don't think they will do much to fix the effects in the 3D versions. I pretty sure they will use the same masters as the blu rays as the general consensus at Lucas Film is 'they are good enough.' (at least according to Rick "yes man" McCallum). So, I don't see them putting much effort into this.

Well if LFL insists on continuing to go the sloppy, inconsistent "good enough" route that's on them. So much for having pride in your work.

SE fans will always have Adywan and other fan editors to look to.......OT fans may forever be left in the cold.

[Jay444]

Originally Posted by PeterTHX

You mean Rick "I do what my boss tells me to do" McCallum. I suppose the producers who let Ridley Scott, Kubrick, James Cameron, Spielberg, etc. proceed exactly as their vision dictates are just stupid "yes" men in your book.



And you have the gall to wonder why Lucas feels the way he does about "fans".
If it isn't the beyond ridiculous double standards it's statements like this from other so-called fans that Lucas is speaking about.

Dude, McCallum is a poor producer that just allowed George to do whatever he wanted with the films. Are you trying to tell me that someone else in McCallum's role couldn't have made the PT better? C'mon man, George needed to be challenged on his ideas. When George has team of people working WITH him and not FOR him, he is one of the best creative film talents ever.

When some are emotional, such as George certainly currently sounds, they make poor decisions. I did not say I wished any ill will upon Mr. Lucas (you should read the whole post), but I feel he should just walk away from Star Wars as he doesn't feel good about the series/fans anymore. You only focused on the one part of my post that upset you. Much like how Lucas currently views the vast majority of his fan base. He concentrates soley on the negative, and with that attitude he is getting destructive.

[Chordata]

I just like how he tried to insert the word "stupid" into your mouth to try to bolster his failed argument.

Oh, and the smilies.

[Geoff D]

Originally Posted by fat_rancor_keeper

LoL, you probably mean me. But, if the conversion of TPM was lackluster that doesn't bode well for future installments correcting long standing problems.

My POV was just that I couldn't see LFL going through the meticulous conversion process and not being consistent. For example, in the scene on the falcon in ANH where Luke's saber was supposedly "corrected" it's really only fixed for 1 shot. (Don't tell me LFL didn't troll fans or outright lie about fixing this, lol)

So would the team working on that particular scene purposely convert Luke's incorrectly colored 3D saber? Would they intentionally not have it matching blue in all the shots within that scene as it logically should?

Your comment precipitated my response, but yours is not the only one I've read on the internets from folks who are expecting the problems in SW to be fixed with the 3D versions. Thing is, the conversions are not there to fix problems and thus create 'archival' versions (which is what Jon Landau said recently about Titanic 3D), they're simply being done to squeeze a bit of extra cash out of the public. It worked, in my case.

Your argument that LFL would want to be consistent is logical, but it flies in the face of the slapdash alterations to the movies for the 2004 DVDs and then for the Blu-rays. Why wouldn't they have wanted them to be consistent before? Answer: They don't give a crap. Heck, they've started to add new continuity errors rather than removing old ones, e.g. Artoo behind the rocks in Beggar's Canyon, a change which is blatantly geared towards the eventual 3D version.

[KS76]

Originally Posted by PeterTHX

You mean Rick "I do what my boss tells me to do" McCallum. I suppose the producers who let Ridley Scott, Kubrick, James Cameron, Spielberg, etc. proceed exactly as their vision dictates are just stupid "yes" men in your book.



And you have the gall to wonder why Lucas feels the way he does about "fans".
If it isn't the beyond ridiculous double standards it's statements like this from other so-called fans that Lucas is speaking about.

It's been said before, but haters are gonna hate. I've enjoyed this blu ray set tremendously. I am also a big 3D fan of both movies and games when the 3D is done right. I'm super curious about how these movies are going to look in 3D and am hoping to to really enjoy watching my favorite movies in a whole new way, the 3rd dimension. I will be going to the theater tonight 12:01 AM to the TPM 3D with hopes high. Thank you George Lucas for your hard work in giving us new ways to continue to enjoy our favorite films.
I have waited a long time for this moment lol

[FC4L]

Originally Posted by KS76

It's been said before, but haters are gonna hate. I've enjoyed this blu ray set tremendously. I am also a big 3D fan of both movies and games when the 3D is done right. I'm super curious about how these movies are going to look in 3D and am hoping to to really enjoy watching my favorite movies in a whole new way, the 3rd dimension. I will be going to the theater tonight 12:01 AM to the TPM 3D with hopes high. Thank you George Lucas for your hard work in giving us new ways to continue to enjoy our favorite films.
I have waited a long time for this moment lol

Though I'm going at 1:40 tommorrow afternoon.

[miniroll32]

Do you think the Original Trilogy will get a new 4K restoration/scan for the 3D versions? Inevitably, Lucas will release them in this format in the future (more £££) but could they convert the films with the current versions?

[octagon]

Originally Posted by PeterTHX

If it isn't the beyond ridiculous double standards it's statements like this from other so-called fans that Lucas is speaking about.

Does The Creator just lurk here or do you think he posts too?

[fat_rancor_keeper]

Originally Posted by Geoff D

Your comment precipitated my response, but yours is not the only one I've read on the internets from folks who are expecting the problems in SW to be fixed with the 3D versions. Thing is, the conversions are not there to fix problems and thus create 'archival' versions (which is what Jon Landau said recently about Titanic 3D), they're simply being done to squeeze a bit of extra cash out of the public. It worked, in my case.

Your argument that LFL would want to be consistent is logical, but it flies in the face of the slapdash alterations to the movies for the 2004 DVDs and then for the Blu-rays. Why wouldn't they have wanted them to be consistent before? Answer: They don't give a crap. Heck, they've started to add new continuity errors rather than removing old ones, e.g. Artoo behind the rocks in Beggar's Canyon, a change which is blatantly geared towards the eventual 3D version.

The main problem with the last release is that lfl had countless years to iron out issues, they claimed 3 levels of quality control and tons of "tlc" went into work on the films. I dig the blu-rays and all, but there's no denying they still have problems and no way in hell did that light saber on the falcon, the r2 rocks continuity gaffe, remaining matte boxes or anything else like that get past three levels of quality control.

Bull.

In any case I credit lfl for awesome work such as cg yoda in TPM and for finally fixing the emperor's slugs and the crossed saber blades over palps face.

But I think most people would gladly trade in blinking ewoks, added noos and krayt calls for consistent light sabers.

[ObiTrentKenobi]

On the issue of Lucas retiring from Star Wars; and since it seems we're back to the OT discussion as it relates to being released on Bluray or not:

If Lucas really does want to retire from Star Wars as he states, the perfect thing to do would be to give one last "thank you" to the rabid Star Wars fans who fed him since 1977 and release the OT on bluray using the best transfer they can muster up.

And frankly, if that occurs, 99.99% of faith will be restored from some of the rabid fans who turned against Lucas for not releasing a proper OT on modern formats (DVD or Bluray).

Help him Obi-Wan Kenobi, it's his only hope.

[KS76]

Originally Posted by ObiTrentKenobi

On the issue of Lucas retiring from Star Wars; and since it seems we're back to the OT discussion as it relates to being released on Bluray or not:

If Lucas really does want to retire from Star Wars as he states, the perfect thing to do would be to give one last "thank you" to the rabid Star Wars fans who fed him since 1977 and release the OT on bluray using the best transfer they can muster up.

And frankly, if that occurs, 99.99% of faith will be restored from some of the rabid fans who turned against Lucas for not releasing a proper OT on modern formats (DVD or Bluray).

Help him Obi-Wan Kenobi, it's his only hope.

I agree with this. I still think we'll see another boxset including all the versions including 3D,2D Bluray, and UOT. For now though I'll continue to enjoy the heck out of the current blu ray set

[georgec]

Interesting. Lucas says Han never shot first. It just seemed that way because of close ups.

www.hollywoodreporter.com/heat-vision/george-lucas-star-wars-interview-288523?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_c ampaign=Feed%3A+THRComicCon+%28The+Hollywood+Repor ter+-+Heat+Vision%29

http://www.avclub.com/articles/georg...were-ju,69159/

THR: People can get fanatical about the movies — how does that make you feel? The puppet vs. CGI Yoda ruckus, and the who-shot-first, Han Solo or Greedo furor come to mind.

Lucas: Well, it’s not a religious event. I hate to tell people that. It’s a movie, just a movie. The controversy over who shot first, Greedo or Han Solo, in Episode IV, what I did was try to clean up the confusion, but obviously it upset people because they wanted Solo [who seemed to be the one who shot first in the original] to be a cold-blooded killer, but he actually isn’t. It had been done in all close-ups and it was confusing about who did what to whom. I put a little wider shot in there that made it clear that Greedo is the one who shot first, but everyone wanted to think that Han shot first, because they wanted to think that he actually just gunned him down.

Hehe. From the screenplay:

GREEDO: That's the idea. I've been looking forward to killing you for

a long time.

HAN: Yes, I'll bet you have.


Suddenly the slimy alien disappears in a blinding flash of

light. Han pulls his smoking gun from beneath the table as the

other patron look on in bemused amazement. Han gets up and

starts out of the cantina, flipping the bartender some coins

as he leaves.

HAN: Sorry about the mess.

[supercutz]

Originally Posted by georgec

[Show spoiler]Interesting. Lucas says Han never shot first. It just seemed that way because of close ups.

www.hollywoodreporter.com/heat-vision/george-lucas-star-wars-interview-288523?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_c ampaign=Feed%3A+THRComicCon+%28The+Hollywood+Repor ter+-+Heat+Vision%29

http://www.avclub.com/articles/georg...were-ju,69159/



Hehe. From the screenplay:

I'll take the bait and call BS on his statement. I've read multiple "making of" books, watched various making ofs and docus on Star Wars and nowhere, ever, was it mentioned or even suggested that Greedo shot first (or at all, for that matter) before the SE version of Ep4 came out. Also, he's had 15+ years to "set things straight". Why wait so long?

George is either counter-trolling all of the pissy fanboys still upset about the Han/Greedo changes or he's clearly losing his mind in his old age.

[insomniac013]

Originally Posted by georgec

Interesting. Lucas says Han never shot first. It just seemed that way because of close ups.

www.hollywoodreporter.com/heat-vision/george-lucas-star-wars-interview-288523?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_c ampaign=Feed%3A+THRComicCon+%28The+Hollywood+Repor ter+-+Heat+Vision%29

http://www.avclub.com/articles/georg...were-ju,69159/



Hehe. From the screenplay:

George Lucas - Troll of the Century

[Lemmy Lugosi]

Originally Posted by insomniac013

George Lucas - Troll of the Century

George Lucas: The troll that created a million trolls.