Star Wars: The Complete Saga (1977-2005)

[Chordata]

Originally Posted by Stinky-Dinkins

He's the Senior Writer for Moviefone.

Lots of critics are going to see it to see how it plays 3D. It's not like critics can always choose to see movies they know they'll love.

Ah - I didn't notice that. I thought it was just some guy who thought it was cool to hate TPM. If it's his job to review movies, more power to him. You can just tell from his acerbic tone that he didn't like it going in. No amount of 3D was going to change that.

[octagon]

Originally Posted by Stinky-Dinkins

Hahahaha. This makes me want to see it again. I forgot how awful the experience of actually seeing it on the big screen really is. I remember the first time... the combination of Jar Jar and that underwater frog king that shakes his head like a mental patient left me stunned. I didn't think it could get any worse. The Pod Racing and young Anakin proved how wrong I was. Truly a terrible movie.

The whole sequence was made all the more awful following as it did the truly spectacular underwater city reveal.

The underwater city was genuinely impressive in that 'holy shit' way only movie magic can manage.

But were we then transported to another world? No, we were transported to a Looney Tunes short.

And a really bad one at that.

[kamphausd1]

http://news.moviefone.com/2012/02/09...ar#postComment

Not sure if this has been posted yet, but how can anybody read this and not hate Lucas?

[retablo]

If Greedo always shot first, in George's mind, then why is he wearing this shirt?



Sorry, but he's officially lost touch with all reality. I feel no ill-will toward him regarding fan backlash... after blatantly lying in an interview to try and save face, he deserves no respect.

[octagon]

The funniest thing about these latest Greedo statements is GL is painting a picture that basically leaves three possibilities...

He's lying.

He's nuts.

He's telling the truth and one of the best parts of the first movie was an accident.

[Stinky-Dinkins]

I like how in that article he points to Blade Runner as an example as to how often movies are altered... so it's not really a big deal.

He kind of missed the fact that Ridley Scott personally insisted that each and every version of Blade Runner was released in high quality on BD so fans of the original theatrical version (and Director's Cut version, etc.) would always have that option. Then he goes on to imply releasing only one version of Star Wars, "the improved version" as he puts it, as opposed to releasing a few different cuts (including the original) as Ridley Scott did is somehow preferable. Hahaha. He's great.

I don't know why he doesn't go out and claim Hayden Christensen was always at the end of Jedi... he just didn't appear properly due to limitations of the time (complicated close ups, not yet being born, etc.)

[miniroll32]

Originally Posted by kamphausd1

http://news.moviefone.com/2012/02/09...ar#postComment

"Changes are not unusual -- I mean, most movies when they release them they make changes. But somehow, when I make the slightest change, everybody thinks it's the end of the world,"

Yes George. Because on releasing the Jurassic Park Blu-ray, Spielberg one day decided "Jeez, that T-Rex looks a bit menacing. To clear up this confusion, Doctor Brant is going to take a rocker launcher out the Jeep and shoot it at the dinosaur - completely missing the monster in the process - and thus provoking in self defence a stomp on the children's car.

Oh yes, the slightest change.

[Dynamo of Eternia]

Originally Posted by kamphausd1

http://news.moviefone.com/2012/02/09...ar#postComment

Not sure if this has been posted yet, but how can anybody read this and not hate Lucas?

This is the part that gets me (a quote from Lucas in that article)...

"Changes are not unusual -- I mean, most movies when they release them they make changes. But somehow, when I make the slightest change, everybody thinks it's the end of the world,"

Ummm what movies? What the hell is he talking about? Does he actually watch other movies other than the ones that he makes to have a basis for comparison? He makes this sound like every other movie is getting changed left and right. Yeah, there are some movies that have had more than 1 cut (i.e. a later director's cut or something), but it tends to be the exception and not the rule.

Sure, there is the trend that's been happening for some time (for a little over a decade, starting around the time America Pie first hit DVD as I recall) where they might release an unrated or extended cut on DVD and/or (now) Blu-Ray when it first comes out after it's theatrical run is done, but most of the time you have the option to get the theatrical version if you want that instead (and these days most of the time both versions are included on the same disc/in the same set).

But there's not really much of a trend to change and alter movies constantly every time they are released... and hold back the previous versions for that matter. Most old movies coming out on Blu-Ray are just the same as they were years ago. Unless he counts movies that were only available in Pan & Scan on VHS getting a widescreen release on DVD (or the fact that they were only released on VHS in Pan & Scan after the were widescreen in the theater).... or simply digitally remastering a movie's picture and sound for maimum quality on today's format and equipment... to constitute "changes".

If most movies were being changed constantly... particularly in the same manner that he changes the Star Wars movies constantly, there would be A LOT more backlash against A LOT more movies/filmmakers/studios.



At any rate... Red Letter Media had a teaser on their site because they are going to be doing something to cover the 3D release of TPM, so I have that to look forward to!

[kamphausd1]

I'm surprised that Beast hasn't come along yet and tried to fend us off, telling us how wrong we all are and how right the poor, slandered Mr. Lucas is. Oh well, give it time I guess.

[Stinky-Dinkins]

Originally Posted by kamphausd1

I'm surprised that Beast hasn't come along yet and tried to fend us off, telling us how wrong we all are and how right the poor, slandered Mr. Lucas is. Oh well, give it time I guess.

I think he's the old guy sleeping in the back of the theater that Moviefone dude mentioned at the end of his article.

The theater ushers probably haven't found him yet.

[kamphausd1]

Originally Posted by Stinky-Dinkins

I think he's the old guy sleeping in the back of the theater that Moviefone dude mentioned at the end of his article.

The theater ushers probably haven't found him yet.

But I thought TPM was his favorite movie?

[popeflick]

Originally Posted by NYorker

I would, too.

I found it amazing that they put mediocre effort in what was supposed to be the "crown jewel" of blu-ray releases.

The bigger shame is that ILM used to stand for state of the art effects. Now, they're MAYBE in 5th place behind Jackson, Cameron, Pixar (wait until JCWoM hits) & Terry Gilliam (Parnassus shows he's still at the top of his game).

Of course, the sad part is Clones is the worst film of the bunch and that's what we get next.

[Stinky-Dinkins]

Originally Posted by kamphausd1

But I thought TPM was his favorite movie?

Seeing Jar Jar in glorious 3D was probably so visually orgasmic for him that it sent him into a such panicked dither that his body automatically went into standby mode as a safety precaution.

[kamphausd1]

Originally Posted by Stinky-Dinkins

Seeing Jar Jar in glorious 3D was probably so visually orgasmic for him that it sent him into a such panicked dither that his body automatically went into standby mode as a safety precaution.

Wow dude!

Of course you're probably right though.

[al cos.]

Originally Posted by Dynamo of Eternia

This is the part that gets me (a quote from Lucas in that article)...
Ummm what movies? What the hell is he talking about? Does he actually watch other movies other than the ones that he makes to have a basis for comparison? He makes this sound like every other movie is getting changed left and right.

Wow, that was a weird thing to say. Most movies get changed? Now I'm getting worried about him, that is like a leap a defensive 10 year old would make.

[BluBonnet]

Originally Posted by popeflick

The bigger shame is that ILM used to stand for state of the art effects. Now, they're MAYBE in 5th place behind Jackson, Cameron, Pixar (wait until JCWoM hits) & Terry Gilliam (Parnassus shows he's still at the top of his game).

Of course, the sad part is Clones is the worst film of the bunch and that's what we get next.

I don't know about that... First of all, I didn't think the 3-D conversion was bad (or at least any worse than those of other films that have been converted).

I wouldn't give nearly as much credit to Peter Jackson's F/X outfit as you obviously do. How many here can say they watched "The Adventures of Tin Tin" - and loved it? It really wasn't a big hit, at least stateside. And it wasn't particularly exciting, imho. Not even with Spielberg directing.

Pixar is just coming off one of the worst-reviewed movie they've ever released. They didn't even get any Oscar nominations.

I'm actually really looking forward to watching AOTC again - the Coruscant chase scenes and the Geonosis arena battle are probably going to look awesome in 3-D - not to mention the Obi-Wan/Jango fight!!!!

[popeflick]

Originally Posted by BluBonnet

I don't know about that... First of all, I didn't think the 3-D conversion was bad (or at least any worse than those of other films that have been converted).

I wouldn't give nearly as much credit to Peter Jackson's F/X outfit as you obviously do. How many here can say they watched "The Adventures of Tin Tin" - and loved it? It really wasn't a big hit, at least stateside. And it wasn't particularly exciting, imho. Not even with Spielberg directing.

Pixar is just coming off one of the worst-reviewed movie they've ever released. They didn't even get any Oscar nominations.

I'm actually really looking forward to watching AOTC again - the Coruscant chase scenes and the Geonosis arena battle are probably going to look awesome in 3-D - not to mention the Obi-Wan/Jango fight!!!!

If you've sat through the lousy QC garbage known as the Original Blu Ray trilogy you'd understand what I'm getting at: they're phoning it in!

Jackson: his FX in the LOTR were better than anything Lucas did during the PT, and they came out at the same time.

Cars2 has nothing to do with what I'm talking about, but John Carter will have FX that are better than ILM's. Besides, if Oscars are the barometer you want to set when was the last time ILM was even nominated? At least a decade?

I'm talking live action special effects. You are talking about animated movies like Tin Tin and Cars2. MAJOR disconnect.

[Stinky-Dinkins]

Originally Posted by BluBonnet

I don't know about that... First of all, I didn't think the 3-D conversion was bad (or at least any worse than those of other films that have been converted).

I wouldn't give nearly as much credit to Peter Jackson's F/X outfit as you obviously do. How many here can say they watched "The Adventures of Tin Tin" - and loved it? It really wasn't a big hit, at least stateside. And it wasn't particularly exciting, imho. Not even with Spielberg directing.

Pixar is just coming off one of the worst-reviewed movie they've ever released. They didn't even get any Oscar nominations.

I'm actually really looking forward to watching AOTC again - the Coruscant chase scenes and the Geonosis arena battle are probably going to look awesome in 3-D - not to mention the Obi-Wan/Jango fight!!!!

I think he was talking about the quality of SFX themselves, not the quality of the movies the FX are used.

That being said, to say that Pixar is coming off "one of its worst reviewed movies of all time" as a backwards way to imply that they're of faltering quality is ridiculous. Apart from the two Cars movies they have probably the most impressive (going by reviews and critical response) filmography of any studio... ever. Ever Pixar's worst doesn't come close to approaching the failure that something like, say, Redtails has been (on every level.)

[JamesKurtovich]

Originally Posted by fat_rancor_keeper

http://news.moviefone.com/mike-ryan/...ust_reloaded=1

lmao

Even in 3D, sentences like, "The taxation of trade routes to outlying star systems is in dispute," are still very boring.

George is like his apologists -- he acts like the changes don't really affect the films. But one thing they can't explain is why the change was made in the first place, especially if it didn't really change anything.

[Stinky-Dinkins]

Originally Posted by popeflick

If you've sat through the lousy QC garbage known as the Original Blu Ray trilogy you'd understand what I'm getting at: they're phoning it in!

Jackson: his FX in the LOTR were better than anything Lucas did during the PT, and they came out at the same time.

Cars2 has nothing to do with what I'm talking about, but John Carter will have FX that are better than ILM's. Besides, if Oscars are the barometer you want to set when was the last time ILM was even nominated? At least a decade?

I'm talking live action special effects. You are talking about animated movies like Tin Tin and Cars2. MAJOR disconnect.

The work on the SW BD release was pretty terrible but ILM is still huge in the SFX industry.

Just looking at some of the films they've worked during the last several years is impressive (many of them had killer effects too.)

They get Oscar nominations quite a bit... I think Rango (that CG movie they made recently) was just nominated for best Animated Film recently.